Saudi Arabia Warns of Economic Fallout if Congress Passes 9/11 Bill

originally posted by: 3danimator2014

originally posted by: luthier

originally posted by: 3danimator2014

originally posted by: luthier

originally posted by: Rosinitiate
a reply to: luthier

Listen. I hate stupid people. When I see stupid things I get all in a tizzy so please forgive me for saying,

You know what's funny, just not funny haha?

Your average Saudi citizen would say they're secular in nature.

You know what else is funny? Ask any Jew in Israel about Judaism versus Islam, you know what they say? They're secular in nature. ....

That's how I know you are full of #.

I know your full of # because you have never travelled to a place where the people are definitely not secular. No most Saudis are not secular. Your absolutley ignorant to reality.

This has nothing to do with Islam. This is nasty wahibis.

Like I said Jordan, Syria hell Lebanon Turkey Indonesia they all have normal moderate people. Saudis actually are mostly barabaric. It's not just the government. The citizens themselves are brutal.

I guess you would rather be ignorant and believe everybody is good.

Maybe look up some amnesty, human. Rights watch or anything that has to do with Saudi culture. Better yet get on a plane and get back to me.

Utter utter utter utter bullsh*t. You are telling me that most of the populace there is barbaric? Somehow there is a country where most people have turned out that way?

Well..you are wrong. How do I know? I lived there for 12 years. And the majority of the people there where exactly as most are in the middle east, which is generous to a fault, friendly and very welcoming.

The house of Saudi are relics and asses though.

Are you female?

If your from the West you lived in your own little world in a seperate part of the country. You most likely had escorts take you around. I have a friend who is a teacher there. He can't stand it. His wife was not even allowed to come over with him.

Yes they are generous. But don't follow the rules and you end up whipped for having wine.
It's also not just the government that stones woman it's villagers.

When I was in Dubai and Abu Dhabi with a whole CO Ed team we had to be extremely careful of the woman. That is even more modern than Saudi Arabia.

No. I'm not female and we didn't live on the compounds if that is what you are talking about. We lived in a house in the city. No escorts either *not sure where u got that idea from) and as for the whipping...that's not done by the general population which is who im defending.


Stop spreading lies and hatred please. I

This has been percolating for a while, but the demonization of Saudi Arabia is out in the open now. (Of course the Saudis are demons. You would be too if you had that much money.) I'm talking about the singling out of Saudi Arabia in service of an ulterior motive. I'm talking about the scapegoating of Saudi Arabia.

Of course Saudi Arabia was involved in 9/11, as was Pakistan, Israel, and undoubtedly the UK and other NATO partners to a greater or lesser extent. They were all doing their bit to help out the leader of the gang of perps, the United States of America, in the persona of the Bush (43) Administration.

In order to prevent relatives of 9/11 victims from suing Saudi Arabia and thereby causing awkward details of the 9/11 attacks to become known to the "evening news" public, the US courts refused to designate Saudi Arabia a "state sponsor of terrorism", which had the effect of blocking access to American courts in the matter.

Now things are different. We are well along in the American plan to turn over every significant applecart in the Arab world.

Saudi Arabia appears to be on the American hit list.

And they know it.

They have taken steps to procure nuclear weapons from Pakistan, as has been reported in the relatively free presses of the world, including the BBC, and have been warned about the consequences of violating the nuclear non-proliferation treaty by the American Secretary of State. (Pakistan is not a signatory to the treaty, but Saudi Arabia is)

They know what the consequences are. They are as fascinated by North Korea as anyone. The consequences of possessing nuclear weapons seem to be immunity from serious interference from the United States of America.

People who still think Donald Trump is not a politician and is an outsider should direct their attention to the way that the Donald appears to be right in line with the US State Department on Saudi Arabia, even ahead of them, dropping the hint that Saudi Arabia might have been responsible for 9/11 in an interview with Alex Jones, months ago.

(Wow!! The Donald!! So sage! So wise! He knew all along!! Gosh, he's not just a disgustingly rich real estate developer and casino owner. He's a statesman. He's presidential timber.)

Just as Barack Obama did, Donald Trump, or Hillary Clinton, will continue the American foreign policy line of being the wrecking ball of the Arab world.

originally posted by: 3danimator2014

originally posted by: 3danimator2014

originally posted by: luthier

originally posted by: 3danimator2014

originally posted by: luthier

originally posted by: Rosinitiate
a reply to: luthier

Listen. I hate stupid people. When I see stupid things I get all in a tizzy so please forgive me for saying,

You know what's funny, just not funny haha?

Your average Saudi citizen would say they're secular in nature.

You know what else is funny? Ask any Jew in Israel about Judaism versus Islam, you know what they say? They're secular in nature. ....

That's how I know you are full of #.

I know your full of # because you have never travelled to a place where the people are definitely not secular. No most Saudis are not secular. Your absolutley ignorant to reality.

This has nothing to do with Islam. This is nasty wahibis.

Like I said Jordan, Syria hell Lebanon Turkey Indonesia they all have normal moderate people. Saudis actually are mostly barabaric. It's not just the government. The citizens themselves are brutal.

I guess you would rather be ignorant and believe everybody is good.

Maybe look up some amnesty, human. Rights watch or anything that has to do with Saudi culture. Better yet get on a plane and get back to me.

Utter utter utter utter bullsh*t. You are telling me that most of the populace there is barbaric? Somehow there is a country where most people have turned out that way?

Well..you are wrong. How do I know? I lived there for 12 years. And the majority of the people there where exactly as most are in the middle east, which is generous to a fault, friendly and very welcoming.

The house of Saudi are relics and asses though.

Are you female?

If your from the West you lived in your own little world in a seperate part of the country. You most likely had escorts take you around. I have a friend who is a teacher there. He can't stand it. His wife was not even allowed to come over with him.

Yes they are generous. But don't follow the rules and you end up whipped for having wine.
It's also not just the government that stones woman it's villagers.

When I was in Dubai and Abu Dhabi with a whole CO Ed team we had to be extremely careful of the woman. That is even more modern than Saudi Arabia.

No. I'm not female and we didn't live on the compounds if that is what you are talking about. We lived in a house in the city. No escorts either *not sure where u got that idea from) and as for the whipping...that's not done by the general population which is who im defending.


Stop spreading lies and hatred please. I

Uh huh.

So vllages don't stone women? Maybe a little Google and human rights watch for some stats.

originally posted by: Vector99

originally posted by: StallionDuck

originally posted by: Vector99

originally posted by: StallionDuck

Question:

How would Saudi benefit from 9/11?

If anyone has any info on why Saud would do this, I'm interested.


1st answer - Money

2nd answer - Willingness to do it.

Yeah, somehow I don't think it works that way in the real world. It's not that simple. Show me the money.... That would be them benefiting and there is no link to mad amounts of money. They already have untold billions. It would require much more than they already have to make it worth their wild.

Show me something serious and real. If it was just about money and willingness, more people would be robbing banks.

Um, look what the US has done to the ME since 9-11. If you don't think saudi is benefitting from all of their oil competitors, especially Hussein's Iraq, being destabilized or sanctioned I would suggest looking more into it.

President Saddam Hussein of Iraq today openly threatened to use force against Arab oil-exporting nations if they did not curb their excess production, which he said had weakened oil prices and hurt the Iraqi economy.

link

...and We would have benefited A HELLUVA lot more if we just went after Saudi for 9/11 instead of Iraq. Chew on that for a while. Iraq has become more of a burden on the US than an asset. I'm quite sure the powers that be knew that back then as well. What's the point of putting money in your pocket while you're pulling it out of the other?

No.... Bush was too buddy buddy with the royals. I'm really thinking that the information that's leaking out more and more is correct. It was a faction inside the house of Saud that was being blackmailed and their country was threatened to be torn in to by civil war. Bush covered it up for damage control to stop their good buddies from being called out while they exterminated the opposition as quietly as possible to not stir the masses. As a cover, they used Saddam as a scape goat, because after all, he was an easy target and a tyrant. It's about oil all right but not Iraqi oil. That came as a bonus but it wasn't a lasting or sustainable one.... if we even made anything off of that at all. A few companies benefited and I'm sure that got a few inside people very rich but I can't believe that alone was the motivating factor. It's just too petty. Why bother when you can make billions on war machines being sold to the highest bidder? These guys already make millions from their oil shares. They don't need Iraqi oil. They just need to maintain their powerful friends.

I really believe that since Saud has us over a barrel with oil right now, so many big oil businesses are loosing so much money here in the states, they decided to finally listen to the people and are using us as a pawn for their own ends.

"So if you keep messing with oil prices, we're going to let these people goto court and sue you for 9/11".

People have been screaming about this from the start. Someone is finally letting the courts hear them. Good timing, eh? I'm happy that the people are finally being heard. It's just sad that it takes men in power to use those people for their own agenda to finial allow it to be heard.

THIS is how our government works.

9/11 for Iraqi oil? Sorry... not seeing it.

originally posted by: StallionDuck

originally posted by: Vector99

originally posted by: StallionDuck

originally posted by: Vector99

originally posted by: StallionDuck

Question:

How would Saudi benefit from 9/11?

If anyone has any info on why Saud would do this, I'm interested.


1st answer - Money

2nd answer - Willingness to do it.

Yeah, somehow I don't think it works that way in the real world. It's not that simple. Show me the money.... That would be them benefiting and there is no link to mad amounts of money. They already have untold billions. It would require much more than they already have to make it worth their wild.

Show me something serious and real. If it was just about money and willingness, more people would be robbing banks.

Um, look what the US has done to the ME since 9-11. If you don't think saudi is benefitting from all of their oil competitors, especially Hussein's Iraq, being destabilized or sanctioned I would suggest looking more into it.

President Saddam Hussein of Iraq today openly threatened to use force against Arab oil-exporting nations if they did not curb their excess production, which he said had weakened oil prices and hurt the Iraqi economy.

link

...and We would have benefited A HELLUVA lot more if we just went after Saudi for 9/11 instead of Iraq.

No, Saddam wasn't as friendly with the west as the Saudi's always have been.

It's about oil all right but not Iraqi oil.

It was never about Iraqi oil. If it was China wouldn't have got the mining and extraction contracts in Iraq and Afghanistan. It was about Hussein, the west tried to tame a rabid dog, but couldn't. Once he became a threat to regional allies and US economy it was simply a matter of time.

Sorry... not seeing it.

Then you aren't looking hard enough.

Since you added on,

I really believe that since Saud has us over a barrel with oil right now

You do know who the world's largest oil producer at the moment is right? Even with oil at record lows (aka normal price) the US out-produces Saudi.
link

"So if you keep messing with oil prices, we're going to let these people goto court and sue you for 9/11".

The Saudis messing with oil prices is to hurt Russia, not the US. Have you looked into that rabbit hole at all?

originally posted by: enlightenedservant

originally posted by: Vector99
a reply to: enlightenedservant

um no. SA doesn't have a significant amount of US treasury bonds, what they have is aged US military equipment. Here's a link to what foreign nation own US debt and how much. SA isn't on the list.

If SA decides to get crazy and stop being the USA's lapdog, they will be worse off than any middle eastern country within the next decade. The US only destabilizes enemies. "Friends" like SA are kept simply because they benefit the US. Going to war with SA would be the easiest congressionally passed war declaration in modern US history. The sentiment in the US is already against SA, so it wouldn't be like convincing the masses with the Iraq/Afghanistan wars. I don't know a single American that doesn't agree with intervention in SA.

Please re-read the entire article. They're threatening to sell off their assets here before they get frozen. It's not just Treasury bonds.

And sorry but nope, the sentiment is not against Saudi Arabia. Maybe the people you know feel like that, but those people aren't in office, now are they? Because both of the major US political parties are staunch Saudi & GCC allies at the top levels (for example, Prince Bandar is called Bandar Bush because of his close ties to the Bush administration). The same goes for our military leaders and intelligence agencies. And that's the same, whether we're talking about the US, the UK, or many other Western governments. In fact, here's an article from yesterday about a $15 billion sale from Canada to Saudi Arabia.

The Liberal government continued to defend Canada's $15-billion sale of light-armoured vehicles to Saudi Arabia as "a matter of principle," just as a new report highlighting the U.S government's concerns with widespread human rights violations in the kingdom was released this week.

www.cbc.ca...

EDIT TO ADD: Oh yeah, you might not know this one. Saudi Arabia is now the 3rd largest military spender behind only the US and China.

Heres a thought... Freeze them then pass the bill. A executive order will instantly freeze them and bypass the courts so they woudnt be able to sell them assets before they froze them. Then un freeze them after saudis cow tow.

Incidentally. Demonise the house of saud. By all means. I agree with that. . But while you do it, realise our governments are no better. The us and the UK have profited from the murder of hundreds of thousands of innocent people they killed. The 3000 killed on 9-11 is a drop in the ocean compared to what the west has done since 9-11.

originally posted by: LordOrobos
Why would anyone want to blame Saudi Arabia when those in the know know 9/11 was funded and orchestrated by the British and Canadian governments?

No, we just do houses painted white, or brown and then painted white. And we only did it twice eh, maybe third time's a charm lol. Now eat yer bacon and bury what's left over in every available lot in the US and don't forget to disclose it's there ;-)

Cheers - Dave

originally posted by: Thenail
a reply to: RetsuUnohana

You're either with us or your with the terrorists

Except if were bought off by them.

a reply to: Vector99

I think you're missing something man.

1 - Yes the US produces a crap ton of oil. It was only just recently that we were even allowed to sell that oil to other counties. BUT...

2 - That mad amount of oil doesn't mean we're making money. We're actually going broke. Do you even know how many companies are folding because of what OPEC is doing right now? Over half. Do you know how many layoffs have taken place since this has started? Oh man... you gotta see those numbers! IT's insane! I work in this industry. I see how horrible it is for people with full families that can't afford the cars they're driving right now. Many of these people are too old to get a new kind of job because new employment will not take them. They can take lesser paying jobs and they are because they have to, but that also means they have to sell their homes to live in something much cheaper and smaller. Also, the housing market isn't exactly a seller's market anymore.

I could go on and on with how the oilfield is being affected here in the US. It's bad! Really bad!

Saudi isn't doing this to mess with Russia. They're doing this simply because they WANT to stay on top of the market. Since they cant, they're dropping prices so low that will strangle all other companies and countries selling their oil because they have so much overhead, they can afford to do it. It's a business tactic that supermarkets often do. They make so much to pad the company so that when they drop all of their prices lower than the store next to them, they don't get hurt. They do this to gain customers from the other store before they slowly jack up their prices to stay ahead of the game.

They're doing this to all countries. Iran is the big issue right now. So say... if Iran agrees to cut production, Saudi will "Price Fix" oil at $50 a bbl but if they don't, they'll keep cutting and pushing production till all other oil economies collapse.

I know all too well how this works. I live it each and every day and have lived it for almost the past 20 years. This is my field. This is my bread and butter. I'm lucky to still be here right now. I've watched so many friends go over the last year because we couldn't keep them because of the price of oil. Once it gets so low, we wont even pull the oil out of the ground. We'll drill it and cap it because it's not worth sucking it out. Though, we'll keep it there for when prices do come back up and THEN we'll pull it out the ground. That's how it's always worked.

My company alone dealt with well over 1200 rigs worldwide when this started. Some of those rigs were our own. Now... I'm sitting with little more than 200 rigs. Those are not good numbers. Those are not just our rigs.

I hope the bill passes through and we get out of Saudi Arabia and they clean their act up with terrorism and help more.Stop with their abuse of women and homosexuals.

I know how arrogant and bitter this is going to sound and thats probably because it is arrogant and bitter but...

I have been going on about how the Saudi connection to the attacks of 9/11 is the real conspiracy and the real cover up and now it seems to be coming to light. But for years some of the very people i see posting in this thread have been saying I have been talking rubbish or trying to distract from the false flag and so on or have basically just ignored anything i have written about this over the years.

Yet now it seems to be the in fashion theory????

a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

I don't recall reading how you thought the U.S. government was in on a conspiracy that involved helping the Saudis who backed the hijackers. But, of course, I haven't read everything you've ever posted.

Can you point me to those posts where you implicate the U.S. government in the conspiracy behind 9/11? I'd love to read them!

What kind of assets are they talking about selling? If their trying to hurt the economy, maybe it'd be better to just suck it up and tell them to go to Hell. It's a card they can play once.

a reply to: MotherMayEye

I am not about to go through every individual post i have ever written on it but I have had three threads in the last year on this topic.

9/11 Saudi connection A long thread that explains my rational behind the idea that the Saudi's played a role in the attacks. Just to quote my eventual conclusion in that thread:

It is my belief that the government of Saudi-Arabia at the highest level was directly involved in financing Al-Qa’ida and was involved in providing logistical support for the attacks. I would also argue that Bandar was a key player who was pulling the strings behind the scenes in providing funding and direction for spies of the Saudi state who were supporting the terrorists with additional support from Prince Turki. I also believe that the administrations of both Bush and Obama know about this but have directed senior members of the intelligence community to keep the exact details of this covered up from the American public. Why they have covered that up is up for debate, I strongly suspect it was to maintain the flow of oil and money from the Gulf.

Two others.

Thread 1
Thread 2

There might actually be more than that, but I have been following all of this stuff regarding the Saudi connection to 9/11 for years.

a reply to: StallionDuck

According to the PNAC, 9/11 wasn't for Iraq oil; it was to stimulate a massive push for defense spending and increase security in the U.S. And abroad. They specifically said it would take a long time to do all this stuff without a major attack. So, yeah, regardless what you think about that, best case scenario, the neocon dream of 9/11 came true... What luck they happened to be in office and in positions of power when it happened. What luck indeed...

a reply to: StallionDuck

You obviously have friends that are labor in the oil industry. Extraction and refining costs have always been balloon inflated. Saudi extracts oil at around $7-10 per barrel. The US does it for less. I would like you to think about this before you try to respond with sites saying the cost of extraction and break-even points. No one would produce oil if it wasn't profitable.

Do you even know how many companies are folding because of what OPEC is doing right now?

How many are prospering? THIS is capitalism in it's worst way shape and form. The big manufacturers are set, they already have their pieces in play, No little guy will get in. We saw a similar thing with banks in the US in the 1800's.

My company alone dealt with well over 1200 rigs worldwide when this started. Some of those rigs were our own. Now... I'm sitting with little more than 200 rigs.

oil worldwide is extremely plentiful, and quite easy to extract. Sorry to hear your company shut down a thousand rigs. They did it for purposes of greed, not necessity.

a reply to: Profusion

We should ramp up domestic production and stop buying their oil. Completely wash our hands of them. Within a few monthse they would beg us to buy from them again.

a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

Thank you!

a reply to: openminded2011

I've alwasy wondered why we haven't already.. Can't remember the place I read this at, but something to do with us not using our oil supply and letting everyone else do it first.