The Draft may be coming...

I think the draft is on the way and you can blame the torch carrying republicans. 'nuff said

Originally posted by dgtempe
I think the draft is not on the way but if it does happen you can blame the torch carrying democrats. 'nuff said

[edit on 1/14/2005 by centurion1211]

LOL, Centurion, now you're editing MY quotes- ok, i have to say that was funny.....

I have a sense of humor.

salvate dgtempe

and have a good long weekend.

On the radio today a report had said that the goverment was looking for applications for state repasentatives to sit on the Selective Services boards. They're the people you try to plead your case to if your trying not go. So I take it the draft is closer then we might think.

oh centurian...

bush is a war hungry politician...he invades foriegn countrys. we are already "under trooped" now why wouldn't bush support a draft?

what does he care if people like him or support his cause, people are stuck with bush for another 4 years, and there is NOTHING people can do about it. so he can do whatever he wants, including bringing back the draft...

congress will follow the bush.

When Armed Forces recruiters are reporting record low numbers, and the fact that the National Guard, which is supposed to be only used in emergancies, is used as front line troops. You have to wonder where the new young troops are going ot come from. There are allready rumors that the US troops in Iraq are "broken"

The main Reason Democrats are introducing bills for a draft is becasue most of the all volunteer army comes from those who are poor, or near poverty and are using it as a leg up in the world. Of all the House and Sente members only 7 have sons or daughters in the military. The system is scewed so that only the poor end up risking thier lives in battle.. not the rich. The Draft is an attempt to make it equal.

Also, the term for selective service commitee is 20 years, so all the people who were signed on during the reagan years are being replaced.

Originally posted by Jehosephat
The main Reason Democrats are introducing bills for a draft is becasue most of the all volunteer army comes from those who are poor, or near poverty and are using it as a leg up in the world. Of all the House and Sente members only 7 have sons or daughters in the military. The system is scewed so that only the poor end up risking thier lives in battle.. not the rich. The Draft is an attempt to make it equal.

US? EQUAL?

seriously if thats your idea of equality... then people sacrifice their freedom of choice for equality. People should have the right to CHOOSE if they want to put thereselves in the way of harm...

Look, the draft isnt going to happen UNLESS the nation is wrapped into something else, but still the draft wont happen. See that is where Stop Loss comes in affect. Yes, I know Stop Loss is already being done, but only to certain occupational specialites.

As far as the national guard recruitment numbers, they are basing that on end of FY 04 numbers, back on Oct 1. Yes the numbers fell short, but the recruiting numbers in other branches succeeded or nearly did succeed. And with the current downsizing and scaling back of certain military occupational specialties (MOS), those sailors/soldiers will be given opportunity to go other MOS's or transfer to the Guard. And of course with monthly numbers coming in, yes those numbers are down, but they pick up in the late spring summer time.

Also, the media likes to jump the gun anyhow on this draft crap, cause one it makes headlines and people listen. Right now, cause I am prior Marine, I have been offered to come back in to active duty with no loss in benefits or rank, basically if I sign back on and reactivated, its like I took a long vacation. Believe it or not but i know alot of guys that got out, not doing so well in the civilian sector, have returned with this offer. Basically the numbers that are short are new recruits, not former military being reinstated.

Draft will not come back and each time it goes to the floor to be voted on, it wont even come close to a 50% chance. Something major in the world has to happen before that happens. And, the situation in Iraq will soon begin to die down, dust will settle, things will get into order and the troops will start to head home. And oh btw, the recruitment numbers go up when there is a war or war-like situation, cause the military automatically counts 33% attrition rate loss, so military branches of service recruiters quotas are bumped up, in order to replace those losses.

Originally posted by mscbkc070904Draft will not come back and each time it goes to the floor to be voted on, it wont even come close to a 50% chance. Something major in the world has to happen before that happens. And, the situation in Iraq will soon begin to die down, dust will settle, things will get into order and the troops will start to head home.

i don't call bombs busting into camps and killing 22 marines "died down" Iraq is still very much active with resistance. and also, troops are also going to be there quite a while with restoring the government... sure some/most of them will go home, but we'll have troops there for a while.

Look I never said that the war over there was dying down, but eventually it will, but that does not constitute a draft. Missing the point of the whole draft thing. Its not going to happen, and persay it did, well, thats what the govt thinks needs to be done, then it needs to be done and serve your country.

Oh and the other part about troops being there awhile, well I can tell you this, expect them there for at least 10 yrs at about a divsion size element...remember Bosnia, we had troops there til about 2000-2001, now there is only a handful and that situation started, US involvement that is, 1993.

Once things get going we will have approx 50000 on the ground there left in the next 2-4 yrs, by 5-10 yrs div size (10000) maintaining a presence in Iraq and the Middle East.

[edit on 14/1/05 by mscbkc070904]

Originally posted by mscbkc070904
Look I never said that the war over there was dying down, but eventually it will, but that does not constitute a draft. Missing the point of the whole draft thing. Its not going to happen, and persay it did, well, thats what the govt thinks needs to be done, then it needs to be done and serve your country.

Your right, if the war on iraq is the last military move bush does, then there would be no draft. but it woudlnt' surprise me if we went into war with syria or north korea.

Originally posted by centurion1211

Originally posted by James the Lesser
Oh yes, congress would never allow Bush to do this.... wait, republicans control house, senate, SC, executive, media, what about check and balances? We are screwed, whatever Bush&Co wants will be passed, they control EVERYTHING!

As a matter of fact, the Republican controlled House of Representatives already defeated democratic introduced draft legislation just last year by a vote of 402 to 2.

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I've now posted the facts on this again for you to read. And your post is based on???

Your facts are correct, your inferences are not. Ofcourse the draft bill was voted down by so many people, even the democratic senator who put the bill to congress voted against it in protest. Neither party was going to say there was going to be a draft before the election, even if they had it fixed in there mind that there would be one a year or so after.

The fact is, this was a political manuver to make the public think the republicans were anti-draft and probably use it against the democrats in some way (after all! they did just propose a draft....). Bush will instate a draft sooner or later, I think he'll probably use some of his reservists in Germany or Korea first (depending on his geopolitical consequest aims) but there will be a draft. The house of representitives/congress are republican controlled so Bush will get his way.

Heil Bush's facist army! Thoes of you who voted for him in the last election (not the majority:mad... where will your loyalties lie when your sons/daughters or even YOU get conscipted? Heil Bush! Persecute the muslims!


[edit on 15-1-2005 by Ishes]

Originally posted by Jehosephat
The main Reason Democrats are introducing bills for a draft is because most of the all volunteer army comes from those who are poor, or near poverty and are using it as a leg up in the world. Of all the House and Senate members only 7 have sons or daughters in the military. The system is skewed so that only the poor end up risking their lives in battle.. not the rich. The Draft is an attempt to make it equal.

I'm sorry, but this is about the worst reason for a draft I can think of. It really goes against the grain of America in operation.

The military has provided good jobs, skills, education, and security to many who have not had it. In addition to that, only a percentage fight, and only some of them die. You are able to have a voice in what job you do (intelligence allowing).

What would be the point of forcing more wealthy kids to do it. To make it into a joke? Saying that only the poor risk their lives in the military is plain wrong.

I don't know if this is how you personally feel, but it could stand some revising.

Originally posted by SlimJim80
On the radio today a report had said that the goverment was looking for applications for state repasentatives to sit on the Selective Services boards. They're the people you try to plead your case to if your trying not go. So I take it the draft is closer then we might think.

And this is a very prudent move during a time of war, even if there is no intent for a draft. Many of the local draft boards have open positions and with the nation under threat, it makes sense to get the boards up to their standard operational levels.

Myself, I do not believe there will be a draft. It would be political suicide for the Republicans to do so. The only ones speaking of a draft are Democrats, though to this point they have done it for nothing more than the political gain of their party. And it was John Kerry who wanted to add 40,000 new troops to the military. If recruiting is so weak right now, where do you suppose he would have gotten those recruits

Originally posted by KrazyJethro


The military has provided good jobs, skills, education, and security to many who have not had it. In addition to that, only a percentage fight, and only some of them die. You are able to have a voice in what job you do (intelligence allowing).

Yeh but the rich kids get their skills by attending college on Daddy's bank roll, they don't have to risk their lives. to get to the top of the heap, or even just stay at the same level

MARK MY WORDS.

If the current Us government needs a draft they only need a Psy ops installed and get the FEAR machine working and all the 50 million fools that voted for Bush will cry for a DRAFT and Mr GWB will say " I promised they would be no draft but I never anticipated this >>>>FILL HERE

In 1967, months before my eighteenth birthday, fearing the draft and how being a conscript in the United States Army might offend my sensibilities and stigmatize me for life, I did the only logical thing I could do. I enlisted in the United States Marine Corps, a decision I have never regretted.

[edit on 05/1/18 by GradyPhilpott]

Originally posted by Ohgr
i don't call bombs busting into camps and killing 22 marines "died down"

When did this happen?

It happened right before Christmas I think about a week before, it hit a dining hall in Mosul.