Hillary Clinton’s Backers Want Obama to Grant a Preemptive Pardon

a reply to: butcherguy

Very interesting article!

Editing: This part does not mean what I originally thought. It is more a statement of the implications when those being interviewed lied to the investigators, and were charged for that anyway.

As Bush’s Deputy Attorney General Comey launched the probe into the leak of the identity of CIA officer Valerie Plame and briefly blocked the National Security Agency’s Stellar Wind program of blanket telephone-metadata after a dramatic confrontation with then-White House Counsel Alberto Gonzales. Comey’s stand against Gonzales didn’t end there, and its fallout has implications for the current Clinton email investigation.

a reply to: sdcigarpig

If there is classified information on the server, then the FBI investigators are also breaking the law by reviewing such, as it would require someone with a security clearance to review and look at such. So that would be the question that would have to be answered and verified. 

Interesting, huh?
Information so damn secret that you suppose that no one should be allowed to investigate it.
The State Department IG learned quickly that some of it was so secret that he couldn't view it, then the Intelligence Community IG found out that he had to get permission to see some of it.
So here we have the smartest woman in America, and she doesn't know better than to keep this info on an unprotected server?
Even though she signed a document stating that she did know better when she became Secretary of State?
BTW... the FBI are the people tasked with investigating the background of people that are seeking security clearances.

The next thing is this: Are they willing to go after the prior Secretary of States, before Clinton to double check on the private servers that they used? Or any in the Federal government as well? It seems like this has been a double standard ever since this all has come about, that Clinton is being held to one standard, while the others are getting a free pass, and it looks highly political.

Two cars speeding down the road and a cop pulls one of them over... the other one gets away.
I guess the cop has to let the other one go because he didn't catch everyone that ever exceeded the speed limit?
Hell, Nixon shouldn't have resigned in disgrace because some other politician broke a rule before him.

A quote from Guccifer..

“The Guccifer archive isn’t complete and many intelligence services are interested in it. Hot Palestinian documents. Problems in the near future for the Western world. The whole archive is around 30 GB. That’s the submerged part of the iceberg.”

and

“I had a meeting with the FBI, the Secret Service and Cyber Command at the DIICOT (Directorate of Organised Crime and Terrorism Investigations) in Bucharest. We discussed documents marked For Official Use Only,”

Where he might have seen such documents remains to be seen.

A clue perhaps...

"Hillary Clinton's private email server containing tens of thousands of messages from her tenure as secretary of state — including more than 400 now considered classified — was the subject of hacking attempts from China, South Korea and Germany after she stepped down in 2013, according to Congressional investigators.

The Senate Homeland Security and Government Affairs Committee has found evidence of attempted intrusions into Clinton's server in 2013 and 2014" from Politico.com

"Clinton's representatives purchased SECNAP's threat monitoring device in June of 2013 but does not appear to have been activated until October 2013. A Clinton representative seemed to be aware of the issue, according to an email quoted in the letter:

“We really really need to do this,” the internal Aug. 19, 2013 email reads. “We are left in a bad state… We want to add in this extra security. We are paying for it and no[t] using the security.” source Politico.com.

Russia Today were one of the first news agencies to reveal the existence of clintonemail.com

If Mrs. Clinton is pardoned she will still be responsible for the biggest security failure of modern times.

Breaking the German Enigma code took some of the finest minds available and the "Collosus" computer.

One Romanian and a laptop supplied by the French "intelligence" agency was enough here.

Julius and Ethel Rosenburg were executed.

Mrs.Clinton might be elected.

a reply to: butcherguy

But the question is did she do anything wrong, as the rules were at that time frame? Even Powell and Rice used a private email server to do business, and did have classified information that was transmitted via such. So if they are going to go after Clinton for doing such, are they willing to go after the prior Secretaries of State as well? If they don't, then it shows that this is indeed hypocrisy and a political witch hunt designed to hurt and attack one person, who is not a Republican but a Democrat.

The only group that seems to be interested in continuing this, is the Republican party who are doing these investigation. All of the other hearings have cleared Clinton from doing any wrong doing.

a reply to: sdcigarpig

If you are convinced that the Republican Party is in charge of the Executive Branch at this time, there isn't much anyone can do to change your mind.

a reply to: sdcigarpig

Powell and Rice did not host their own email server for the purpose of hiding emails from FOIA, as Hillary did.
They used personal email accounts for personal use, and it was found that some business emails, including from Clinton, were sent or received from their personal email accounts.
They used their government email as standard practice for business.
This does not excuse that a few emails went through their personal accounts, and if it is found that any classified emails went through their personal account, they should be prosecuted, but it is not on nearly the same level as Hillary's actions.
Hillary intentionally completely refused to use official, secure, government email and devices, and set up an entire system that violated procedures, and intentionally sent and requested receipt of classified emails on her private system.

ETA: Oh and... it is not "Republicans" continuing this, the "FBI" is investigating.

a reply to: sdcigarpig

One more thing. If you truly think that "All of the other hearings have cleared Clinton from doing any wrong doing. ", you might want to do some more research on previous criminal investigations involving the Clintons.

For example:
www.judicialwatch.org...

“Hillary Clinton’s bank fraud, obstruction, lies, and other fraud began in Arkansas, continued in the White House and actually accelerated because the suicide of her friend Vincent Foster. The memos suggest that if she weren’t First Lady, she would have been successfully prosecuted in federal court. As we continue the court fight to get the actual draft indictment of Hillary Clinton we first uncovered in this investigation, Americans would do well to read these memos. If you want to understand the deplorable ethics and corruption at the Clinton State Department, these documents provide important background.”

Just because she has not yet been convicted does not mean that there has not been plenty of evidence to show that she committed crimes.
It was her positions and powerful allies that have kept her out of jail so far.
It might keep going that way. If she gets off again, there will be reasons that have nothing to do with innocence.


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originally posted by: SlapMonkey
a reply to: xuenchen

What amazes is me is that, even though these Hillary supporters seem to believe that she will be indicted and the she probably did illegal things with her emails (and by extension, possibly put the nation's confidential and top-secret info at risk of hackers...as Secretary of State...), they STILL want to see her become president.

It's GD effin' mind-blowing.

I know, right?

But Trump hates women and wants to build a wall.

Oy!!

originally posted by: sdcigarpig
a reply to: butcherguy

But, there are a few things that are questionable.

If there is classified information on the server, then the FBI investigators are also breaking the law by reviewing such, as it would require someone with a security clearance to review and look at such. So that would be the question that would have to be answered and verified.

The next thing is this: Are they willing to go after the prior Secretary of States, before Clinton to double check on the private servers that they used? Or any in the Federal government as well? It seems like this has been a double standard ever since this all has come about, that Clinton is being held to one standard, while the others are getting a free pass, and it looks highly political.

They didn't have private servers like hillary did!

What is so hard to understand?

2000 secret emails on a non secured server. Where is the double standard?

originally posted by: burgerbuddy
I know, right?

But Trump hates women and wants to build a wall.

Oy!!

Don't get me wrong--I think that Trump supporters are just as blind in their following of Trump, but at least he's not knowingly on the verge of a federal indictment, so there's that.

a reply to: BlueAjah
But according to the rules at the time that she was Sec. of State, she was not required to use a government server to conduct state business on at all. Those did not exist until after she left the position.

And according to the State Department both Powell and Rice did receive classified emails and information via a private server, and not via government servers. So this was the standard.

And it does not look well when the head of the committee is caught doctoring evidence, it makes the entire investigation look suspicious and as I stated, a political witch hunt designed to ruin a persons political career.

This investigation is going on far too long.

Then there is the question: If she has indeed did something wrong, there really is no prison that can handle having her there. As a former first lady, she is entitled to round o'clock protection via the secret service for the rest of her natural life.

a reply to: burgerbuddy

www.cnn.com...

Yes they did, the State Department confirmed that, so such was going on before the rules were established to tighten control over such. She did not break the rules, as the rules were not in place until after Clinton has left the position.

I doubt that it will be preemptive but I did see this coming one of two ways. If hillary wins the election she will pardon obama for whatever he may have done and appoint him to the supreme court. If hillary loses the election obama will pardon her and appoint her to the supreme court. There is no way we are done dealing with these two miscreants. No way...

a reply to: sdcigarpig

Powell and Rice did NOT have their own servers.
They used an email service. I believe Powell had an AOL account.
Neither had their own SERVER. There is a difference between a server and an email account with a service provider.
Neither totally avoided using government email for work.
It is a totally different thing.


There are links in other threads on this forum that shows the federal IT people repeatedly offered Hillary a secure email device and account, and tried to alert her and others that the way she was doing it was not secure, and she ignored them.

a reply to: BlueAjah

What is more secure, a private server under one persons control or a public server where any one can access? If they were using AOL, it is a public access and more prone to be hacked and tampered with. A private server there is very few on it.

a reply to: BlueAjah
Accusations are not a sign of guilt and one should not be convicted of circumstantial evidence, but actual proof.

But as far as Whitewater, there can never be a trial, for any of it. The statute of limitations has already passed, and thus no charges can ever be brought up on her for that one. It is long gone and past the time that anything could have been done.

The reality is that everyone in politics have skeletons in their closets, that they do not want to come out. Even the current contenders for the white house all have them and are working hard at trying to hide such.

a reply to: sdcigarpig

Neither is secure.
The point is - Powell and Rice were not using that personal email account as their primary business account.
A few emails got sent to their personal email account, but they were not using their personal account primarily for government business.
If it is found that classified emails were sent with their personal account, of course they should be prosecuted, as that would be a violation of law.
Powell and Rice had a government email device and account and used that primarily for government business.

This is an excuse that Hillary has tried to use and has been debunked many times.
It was NEVER an accepted standard for government employees be permitted to use unsecure emails for classified information. They have rules and severe penalties about that for a reason.

A few emails inadvertently sent with a personal email account are NOT the same as intentionally, for years, refusing to use a secure government account, refusing to turn in emails as required under FOIA, and intentionally using such insecure server email for classified information.

I'm not sure how else to explain it.

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a reply to: BlueAjah
That is the point, a review by the State department was done and it was determined that some classified information was transmitted via their personal email accounts. It was not until after Clinton left the State Department that the rules were changed and it was set up to where only government servers were to be used for government work. But at that time, when Clinton was Secretary of State and before such, there were no rules.

What this is, happens to be where they are changing the rules and then try to apply it to after the person is no longer in the position, really does not hold weight.

And as far as the FOIA requests, well that is up to how it is handled, and if it was to Clinton, she could easily refuse stating it has to go through the State Department. Is that any different than say a city refusing such or making it where you can put in the request and then charge you a fee for the information, even though public records should be free? The system is like that, and ultimately one just has to work through the various red tape on such.

originally posted by: sdcigarpig
a reply to: BlueAjah
But according to the rules at the time that she was Sec. of State, she was not required to use a government server to conduct state business on at all. Those did not exist until after she left the position.

And according to the State Department both Powell and Rice did receive classified emails and information via a private server, and not via government servers. So this was the standard.

And it does not look well when the head of the committee is caught doctoring evidence, it makes the entire investigation look suspicious and as I stated, a political witch hunt designed to ruin a persons political career.

This investigation is going on far too long.

Then there is the question: If she has indeed did something wrong, there really is no prison that can handle having her there. As a former first lady, she is entitled to round o'clock protection via the secret service for the rest of her natural life.

She will have federal protection in a federal prison.

a reply to: burgerbuddy

She will never be indicted she will never see the inside of a prison.
www.washingtonpost.com...