Who is your favourite con-artist? Your favourite disinformation-puppet?

a reply to: lovebeck

LOL. I knew this was a bash Alex Jones thread before I even opened it up...

My fave? ALL of the main stream media. Especially CNN.

So you think that so called alternative media is more credible than for example CNN? You think that Alex Jones' Info-War channel is more likely a source of true real information than mainstream media is?

What would you consider a valid and serious alternative media channel?

I, personally, think that some of the so called alternative media is even more deceptive than certain mainstream media. And yes, for example Alex Jones' Info-Wars. It has nothing to do with investigative journalism at all and anybody who has eyes to see and ears to hear will know that that is true. True real patriotism has nothing to do with promoting and advertising crap nobody needs anyway. Since when is proper investigative journalism related to such nonsense like Alex Jones is presenting?

Let me assure you that there indeed are still honest and decent investigative journalists even in mainstream media. But you have to know "who is who and what is what". And I definitely would like to know ANY serious alternative media figure that is not merely controlled oposition and/or a disinformation-puppet. Name ONE name and I may be convinced that alternative media is worth its name.

Thanks in advance.

a reply to: SallieSunshine

I once thought of going to one of Ed Dames' seminars just for the experience- to see what the atmosphere was there- was it grim? Was it a party atmosphere? Were people there for a good time and a souvenir and a trendy experience?

Ed Dame is "teaching" remote-viewing, right?

I have not investigated much of that kind of stuff other than what was presented here on ATS about remote-viewing. And my not very well informed conclusion regarding that topic is: Only certain people are able to learn that kind of ...well...trick. I assume those are the ones who have been mind-controlled from a very early age on anyway. Because as far as I'm informed, one has to be able to get into some sort of trance to do it. And who would let anybody put oneself into some sort of trance but those whoms consciousness has been manipulated already in the past anyway.

I, personally, don't think that any kind of so called out-of-body-experiences, trances and the like are experienced by mentally and emotionally healthy people. I think only certain already manipulated people are into that kind of thing (on both ends). I would never ever let anybody put me into some kind of trance-state. And I think that would be impossible anyway, because I'm not mind-controlled by anybody or any kind of concept because I prefer to be an autodidact since I realized at the age of fourteen that all my thoughts are not mine, which was my first own thought, the doubt that I think for myself.

Even someone like Sigmund Freud gave up hypnotizing people out of moral and ethical reasons. And it seem that remote-viewing experiements deal in just this: hypnosis.

a reply to: DBCowboy

The White House

Why? Can you please further elaborate on it?

By the way, I could come up with a very far out theory why the us-american white house is one of the most filthy places on planet earth. But I need someone to ask me why I think that that is the case. I'm not willing to spill the beans without being asked for it. And of course what I could come up with is just a theory, the result of my personal conclusions, being (also) a political thinker for almost fourty years now.

Thanks in advance.

a reply to: JaMeDoIt

Hands down....Donald Thrump....ooops President elect Donal Duck Thrump...and we are the chumps!

Yes, but why is it, how comes someone like him can even pose a some valid candidate in the (conservative) republican party? A men who is devorced and re-married how many times? That counts as being conservative nowerdays?

Not to talk about his overall attitude and behaviour.

Ray Frickin' Palmer

Check out the link above, this guy is the grandpappy of disinfo, the first and the best. He's got it all, the intel connections, the media reach, you name it. He is almost single-handedly responsible for popularizing hollow earth theory, and he led poor Kenneth Arnold around by the nose.

originally posted by: Willingly
a reply to: DBCowboy

The White House

Why? Can you please further elaborate on it?

By the way, I could come up with a very far out theory why the us-american white house is one of the most filthy places on planet earth. But I need someone to ask me why I think that that is the case. I'm not willing to spill the beans without being asked for it. And of course what I could come up with is just a theory, the result of my personal conclusions, being (also) a political thinker for almost fourty years now.

Thanks in advance.

Apologies.

But it is my opinion that nothing that comes out of the White House is honest.

Regardless of who is in it.

The White House represents government. It is self-serving, selfish, myopic.

It has an agenda.

It will lie, steal, cheat, kill to obtain it's goals.

a reply to: Spookytraction

Ray Frickin' Palmer

Check out the link above, this guy is the grandpappy of disinfo, the first and the best. He's got it all, the intel connections, the media reach, you name it. He is almost single-handedly responsible for popularizing hollow earth theory, and he led poor Kenneth Arnold around by the nose.

I haven'd investigated much into the ufo/et/alien-abduction "meme" other than reading some posts on ATS and listening to some of Jaques Vallee's talks on youtube, unfortunately. But I have a rather un-informed view-point on what that is all about. Here it is:

1.) There is no proof that extra-terrestrial entities are currently living on planet earth, because no alien/et nor their vehicles (ufo's) are seen and validated as being real by the majority of the human population.

2.) Only eye-witness testemonies and a few pictures and videos are there as some sort of evidence, which is no proper prove in a scientific sense.

3.) Some ufologists seem to say that some govermental entities or agencys are into hiding evidence. That might be the case, but why and what for would they do that? What would be their motive to hide it from the general public?

4.) What if this is the case: The galaxy, we as citizens of planet earth are a part of, is lifeless and all other planets are "dead" planets and only earth is left with life-forms. And certain astronomers know that that is the case. And they ask themselfs this questions, of course: How comes that we are surrounded by dead planets? Why is that? Wouldn't it be more likely that all other planets also have certain life-forms that are living from oxygen and water also?

5.) What if all alien/ufo hiding "memes" are an attempt to hide that scary "fact" that the whole galaxy is populated with dead planets and we are the only living one left? THAT is a scary theory, isn't it? And it's worthy of covering it up, I think, when I think about it in their frame of mind.

Know what I'm driving at?

a reply to: Spookytraction

What I'm trying to say regarding ufo/alien/et hiding "memes" is:

They, the ones who know for sure that this galaxy is contained with dead planets and only earth is a living planet, try to pretend, by made up ufo-storys and false evidence, that the galaxy is not populated with dead planets. They try to make us beliefe that there is indeed life out there and because that is not true, they come up with storys and false evidence to cover up the fact that we live in a dead galaxy.

That would make sense. In fact it would explain a lot.

a reply to: DBCowboy

Apologies.

For what? Anyhow, apologies taken.

But it is my opinion that nothing that comes out of the White House is honest.

Agreed.

Regardless of who is in it.

Indeed.

The White House represents government. It is self-serving, selfish, myopic.

Yes.

It has an agenda.

Sure.

It will lie, steal, cheat, kill to obtain it's goals.

Exactly.

And now come and arrest me for pointing fingers at you, if you can, fear-mongering liars of all sorts and kinds who are called: Psychopath's and dead souls in suits.

originally posted by: Willingly
a reply to: Spookytraction

What I'm trying to say regarding ufo/alien/et hiding "memes" is:

They, the ones who know for sure that this galaxy is contained with dead planets and only earth is a living planet, try to pretend, by made up ufo-storys and false evidence, that the galaxy is not populated with dead planets. They try to make us beliefe that there is indeed life out there and because that is not true, they come up with storys and false evidence to cover up the fact that we live in a dead galaxy.

That would make sense. In fact it would explain a lot.

That's an interesting theory. Is there any way to prove past a doubt that Earth is the only planet among billions containing life? Personally, I think it all started out as monkeying with belief systems. Trying to find a substitute for God in order to corral an increasingly secular (and less tractable) population. Later, UFO culture provided a test bed for trying out influence strategies that could be applied to religious extremists. Probably also served as a duck blind for weapons testing.

And, of course, it was a great way to eff with the Russians.

a reply to: Spookytraction

That's an interesting theory. Is there any way to prove past a doubt that Earth is the only planet among billions containing life?

No. There is no way to prove it past a doubt that Earth is the only planet that contains life. I'm not a scientist anyway. I'm an artist and natural thinker. But as far as I'm informed, serious astronomers haven'd found anything in our galaxy so far that would indicate it contains life like we have here. Maybe in the Space Exploration forum on ATS there are people who are experts in such topics. I just came up with some sort of explaination of why those "memes" could have been created. That's all.

Personally, I think it all started out as monkeying with belief systems.

Yes, sounds reasonable. But why and what for would anybody would want to create a "new" beliefe-system that substitutes the old ones anyway?

Trying to find a substitute for God in order to corral an increasingly secular (and less tractable) population.

Yes, but still...why and what for would that needed to be done? That's the motive? The old lies have been told too many times already and are not bought into anymore by secular people? So new lies must be invented?

Later, UFO culture provided a test bed for trying out influence strategies that could be applied to religious extremists. Probably also served as a duck blind for weapons testing.

Yes, could be the case. Anything that can hide what military-projects are comming up with and need to hide from the general population would make a good cover-up story. Like, "it's ufo's and aliens, dudes! No us, the military, testing our new weapons and planes!"

And, of course, it was a great way to eff with the Russians.

Well...I don't think it's we (westerners) against them (russians). It's more like this: Who can hide their military-projects better by lying to the general public, we or them.

They all seem to enjoy to play their little dirty tools and weapons. No matter of what nationality they may be, unfortunatly. There are no good guys in that kind of operations. There is no good goverment anywhere. Only lesser evil, perhaps.

Yes he does teach remote viewing but he also remote viewed a solar "kill shot" and he keeps saying it is going to happen soon (this has been going on for years) and he has seminars where he charges people for a lecture about finding a safe place to go during the kill shot. I think they also get a map at the seminar.
I have nothing against remote viewing - I think all humans are psychic to some degree, although obviously some have more developed abilities- but as we have seen, remote viewing the future is problematic.

Sal

a reply to: Willingly


Ed Dame is "teaching" remote-viewing, right?

a reply to: SallieSunshine

Yes he does teach remote viewing but he also remote viewed a solar "kill shot" and he keeps saying it is going to happen soon (this has been going on for years) and he has seminars where he charges people for a lecture about finding a safe place to go during the kill shot. I think they also get a map at the seminar.

There you have it: Charging money for the fear he installed in his audiance. That is disgusting.

And what ever a "solar kill shot" may be, I don't think it's something real. I have no idea why people are spending money for being lied to by some creep who pretends he can see the future.

If that is not charlatanery what that guy (Ed Dame) is dealing in, then I don't know what is.

originally posted by: Willingly
a reply to: Spookytraction

Yes, sounds reasonable. But why and what for would anybody would want to create a "new" beliefe-system that substitutes the old ones anyway?

Control.

The same kind of power that flows from the idea of a Godlike authority (through his proxies here on earth, natch) could theoretically be transferred to another kind of magic sky daddy. And with aliens, there can't be any quibbling over faith or whose God is the right God. If you're gunning to create a one-world religion, aliens are a smart horse to back.

The old lies have been told too many times already and are not bought into anymore by secular people? So new lies must be invented?

Bingo. The upshot of widespread public education and the decline of religion in post-industrial countries is that it becomes much harder to ride herd on the citizenry. The cognitive mechanisms that leave us vulnerable to religious control systems could potentially be exploited in other ways that better suit the post-modern temperament.

a reply to: Willingly

He keep blabbering about the stock market but really no one really knows. but he's on TV

a reply to: Spookytraction

Control.

The same kind of power that flows from the idea of a Godlike authority (through his proxies here on earth, natch) could theoretically be transferred to another kind of magic sky daddy. And with aliens, there can't be any quibbling over faith or whose God is the right God. If you're gunning to create a one-world religion, aliens are a smart horse to back.

Yes, but to go even deeper into it, I think why they, the control-freaks, try to point away from religions is because true real religions DO contain a certain truth. That's why they fear the true real religious believers and want them to better believe that their god is in fact an alien. And since my theory is that aliens are a made up "meme" anyway, but gods may be real, there you have one more reason to spoil and infiltrate religions to make those who believe in gods or God look stupid by doing so. Well done, nice trick...indeed.

Bingo. The upshot of widespread public education and the decline of religion in post-industrial countries is that it becomes much harder to ride herd on the citizenry. The cognitive mechanisms that leave us vulnerable to religious control systems could potentially be exploited in other ways that better suit the post-modern temperament.

But still...no prove for aliens/ufo's/et's...etc. either. Other than the "meme" they created that ufos/aliens/et's are hidden by the governmental agencys. That's a double-trick. Know what I mean? You first come up with a "meme" like aliens/ufos/et's do exist, and then after that you come up with the "meme" that the government or military is hiding evidence of it. Wow! That's some real nasty deception. Hard to discover and expose. Those bastards are really clever.

originally posted by: Willingly
a reply to: Spookytraction


But still...no prove for aliens/ufo's/et's...etc. either.

Yet.

If you follow the paper trail back through the decades, you get the impression that whomever is responsible is playing the long con. Here's the latest installment:

Tom DeLonge (Blink-182) - Drip-feed Disclosure or something else?

a reply to: Willingly

We may, as you assert, live in a dead galaxy. What then, I implore, of the rest of the universe? Which by all accounts is all but infinite and even then the deck seems stacked fully in favor of the latter.

I'm not a bettin' man but I would be willing to put chips down on the pure assumption that there is, almost inevitably, in the vastness of an entire, uncharted cosmos, a planet that harbors some form of life. Whether that form is intelligent at all is another query altogether.

But...

If that life is anywhere near as inventive and ingenious (not to mention tenacious) as are we then I would not discount the idea that, given time, peace (relatively speaking) and prosperity this hypothetical species of sentient life could, quite possibly, reach a state of technological understanding that could allow them the ability to travel through space/time with both ease and aplomb.

Dig?

a reply to: Spookytraction

If you follow the paper trail back through the decades, you get the impression that whomever is responsible is playing the long con. Here's the latest installment:

Tom DeLonge (Blink-182) - Drip-feed Disclosure or something else?

Yeah, Tom DeLonge is my new number one con-artist/disinformation-puppet now. I listend to the C2C interview and this is how he comes across in my ears: Like an all exited fiveteen year old teenager, who has been on a weekend trip with some older buddys and now is trying to tell his mom about it, without telling her that he smoked his first joint and circle-jerked for the first time. In other words: His incoherent drivel does not make any sense at all to an educated ear that was interested in hearing something profound. So...I'm all dissapointed now.

Thanks for bringing that OP to my attention, Spookytraction.

a reply to: reddragon2015

a reply to: Willingly

He keep blabbering about the stock market but really no one really knows. but he's on TV

We have to be compassionate with those kind of guys. They are far too stupid to get normal and intelligent woman layed otherwise. So being on TV and reading out lound some random numbers gives them some chicks who like to cuddle his tiny willy because he is on TV.