Verbally Attacked By TWO Bernie Supporters In 2 Hours...Unprovoked

a reply to: AceWombat04

You do know he said a temporary freeze on IMMIGRATION of Muslims and people from those countries. he didnt say a BAN on them. People already here are immune from this planned action,and id assume there will be a rider added to allow said individuals families accesss on a case by case basis. IF trumps not a dumbass.

Republican or democrat they all stink! I don't see any of them as a lesser of two evils. Although I do find some amusement in the idea of Hillary sitting in the Oval Office after all the stuff with Bill and the bjs!

Seriously though neither party gives a care at all about the people or the best interest of the country.

originally posted by: YachiruKusajishi
Republican or democrat they all stink! I don't see any of them as a lesser of two evils. Although I do find some amusement in the idea of Hillary sitting in the Oval Office after all the stuff with Bill and the bjs!

Seriously though neither party gives a care at all about the people or the best interest of the country.

The best thing to do is revert the power to the states and say screw a president. and have 50 governors running the entire show. And they have to be independents. or no party affiliations.

a reply to: yuppa

I have always liked the idea of small federal government with the individual states holding a majority power of governing themselves. I personally feel, I could be very wrong here, that a state can be more in tune with its residents than the federal governement is.

Feel free to educate me if I am wrong I don't claim to know it all (it really would be freaking easier if I did know it all or could read minds).

a reply to: BatheInTheFountain

Well i am on the opposite side of the coin, but i certainly appreciate how you feel. I live in south west florida and it is very trump-centric. seriously, two hispanic candidates couldnt touch him here. And i have seen the same sort of thing from his supporters. The Bernie Bros are as bad as the Trump-humpers. But understand that not all of us that support Sanders are rabid like that.

a reply to: yuppa

Sadly, I wasn't referring to what Trump said, but others who have openly called for the literal removal of Muslims from the country. But that lone facet of my post wasn't the point I was making. Rather it was the blanket tendency to seize upon a single facet of a person's multi-faceted beliefs and/or feelings about a multitude of things, and make overly simplified assumptions about their affiliations, leanings, or status as "enemy," resulting in the kind of knee-jerk response the OP described.

Unless you were going for irony or satirizing exactly the dynamic I was describing. In which case... ?

Or I'm missing something.

Peace.

Cant find any dirt on Bernie so here are his supporters getting smeared. As if 2 random people in a bar represents them. Im pretty sure the exact same thing will happen if a Bernie supporter goes to a bar in Texas.

But enough dirt on Trump so no need for that.

I haven't followed all the pages of response yet, and I apologize.

But the political sentiment in the US is obviously extremely tense in this moment- even from the other side of the world, that is evident.

But to claim that in these events (in the OP) the reactions were totally unsolicited and not provoked, is not being honest!!

Even I know that while talking to Americans right now, if I do not want to enter into a firestorm of strong sentiment and opinion, I refrain from mentioning any names of any candidates. Those who are for Trump, or Clinton, will react just as aggressively. If you want to bring them up, much less make any mention of interest or "I am following..." get ready for a #$torm.

It doesn't matter who people are supporting, the parties are so terribly opposed, the masses so polarized, that no one is keeping an even keel. Hot or cold, but not lukewarm.

It is sort of passive aggressive to make subtle provocations like that then act surprised and offended that others actually rose to the poke when you knew they would.

What strikes me here is the Ops feeling that this is a very different situation, as far as severity goes anyway, than in elections past. People seem to be on a hair trigger concerning Trump and that alone makes me wonder why that could be. The non stop lies that are coming from both sides of the fence and of course almost every media outlet in the country has something to do with it Im sure, however I am sensing something more sinister at work here also. Think brainwashing techniques with some updated MK ultra style mind control and you will be on the right track here I think. The `them` really really really do not want this man in the position where he could find and devolulge not to mention attempt to change the bullsnip that goes on in the world as it is now. That is how I see things at the moment.

a reply to: Bluesma

You're not wrong. It's obvious what happened. OP got dissed by some girls over his politics and his feelings were hurt over it. Then, he started up again with 2 other people who told him to leave them alone which made him so emotional that he followed them out of thr bar where they proceeded to tell him to go away again. The story wraps up when the employees of the establishment asked him to leave for being loud and inciting other patrons.

In the OPs mind, none of his actions were weird and you know this story is full of half truths. It's obvious by the way the story is told that there is a whole bunch of dishonesty here. I love when people aggravate others then play the innocent game. "It's everybody except for me that's causing problems". No dude, it's you. The world isn't at fault because you got burned at the bar. Also, never follow people out of a bar. If that was you approaching me like that I would have gotten defensive and told management of the establishment that you're harassing people. After all, you didn't get in consecutive discussions about the election by pure coincidence. Face yourself. Look into the mirror and admit that drinking and bothering others is inappropriate.

Once we just start assuming people's dishonesty here in a discussion forum, discussion becomes impossible because it will always be the person's word against the assumptions and assertions of others. Nothing about OP's description sounds far fetched or intrinsically implausible to me, because (barring the drinking, as I don't drink) I've had it happen to me. Multiple times. Minding my own business, someone engages me in discussion, and then the moment there's even a hint of some small facet of my larger ideological beliefs involved, they go off on me and make all sorts of assumptions about my character and other affiliations and beliefs. (Totally erroneous ones.)

Is it possible OP had too much to drink and was accosting people? Sure. But reading the OP again... I see nothing to directly make that a reasonable thing for me to assert. I wasn't there of course. So, anything's possible. Which means the whole discussion is moot if we go down that road because anyone can simply nullify anything he says by saying, "No, it's your fault, and you're telling half truths," and making all sorts of assumptions about his character. Once that happens, discussion and debate become impossible and, more importantly, a complete waste of time and energy.

Political discussion really does seem to poison the well of civility and good will. Regardless of "side."

I mean seriously. OP didn't name and shame these people, so there's no consequence to his sharing this story. But now there's a whole group on this website - this community - who see his user handle and make all sorts of assumptions about who he is as a human being now. I've had that happen before. It's incredibly frightening and disturbing and unfair, and - unless you meet him in real life tomorrow, or aspects of his life and behavior somehow become public, documented knowledge in support of those assumptions - it just becomes a sort of witch hunt.

And I'm saying this as someone who probably doesn't even agree with his politics. But there's something more important to me than that: people not being vilified or given "e-pariah" status automatically because of assumptions being made. This topic was one written from a place, as near as I can tell, of fear and shock and being overwhelmed. I'm telling you, I've had this happen. It really is scary. As OP said, it makes you feel as though you have to "get out." But you can't. Because it's everywhere now. And now this website, which is something of a refuge, is telling him he's a bad person and dishonest on the basis of pure speculation and assumption, just because it doesn't like what he's saying.

That, too, is terrifying. And that, too, is something I've had happen to me before. I've had to leave sites before because literal witch hunts started and it became extremely scary extremely fast.

Peace.

OK -- So Bernie Sanders' supporters could be very intolerant.

So what?

There are very intolerant supporters for EVERY candidate. The thing is though, those intolerant supporters are not the ones who we will vote for, but rather the candidates themselves.

So we need to live with the truth in this world that some people who support a candidate -- any candidate -- can be intolerant. This is nothing new, nor unique to any particular candidate.

It's causing unusual reactions, I made a comment publicly the other day "How crazy is it that we could see a President Trump in 2017?" I didn't say one other word. Somebody didn't like it, they came up to me afterwards when I was all alone and said don't say that name "Trump", people are more divided over this than Obama in 2008.
I see it, and I hear it. You have at least 30% on either side that are frozen in there support hardcore.
Cruz, Hillary and some independents support is the softest this round.

originally posted by: TheOneFreeMan
a reply to: Indigo5

While it was a bit of a ramble, you argued against Trump due to his "rhetoric" and any possible laws or policies he may try to bring to the table. I tried to come up with a well thought out and reasonable argument against your opinion.

I appreciate your well thought out response...but as I discovered whilst responding...you were literally just one sentence away from the ATS limiter on text. When I quoted you I could only type a sentence before the screen went red and indicated I had exceeded the text limits for a post. That is a good indicator you might want to trim your post to a more concise form. I only say this because you obviously have things you want to communicate...that apart from the fact I have a job and reading a single post that contains more text than several pages combined of the thread? have mercy on those you are trying tog et through to.

a reply to: BatheInTheFountain

Oh here we go...
Someone had an opinion you didn't agree with so they "attacked" you. You just disappointed none of them threw a punch?

And of course, this means that all Bernie (or Hillary) supporters are in fact evil, devil-worshipping, socialist commies who want to murder everyone...

In other news, Trump once again stated his desire to end press freedom in America, supports his voters physically assaulting protestors and wants to treat Muslim Americans like the Nazis treated the Jews before the outbreak of WW2.

But those Bernie supports are the real evil ones, for "verbally attacking" you.

Same sh*t, different day.

originally posted by: yuppa

originally posted by: Indigo5

originally posted by: yuppa

originally posted by: lightedhype
Sounds like your brought the Trump name up to both of them and you in fact ARE a trump supporter afterall. Whether you said just a name or not we only have your word. Either way. Dude is a rascist. Yup it pisses people off in the 21st century. Who woulda thunk?

Its not RACIST to enforce the laws.

Said Hitler to the Nazi's...

Hyperbole aside...Trump is talking about creating NEW laws and policies and yes they are Racist...and yes Trump's rhetoric is racist. Objectively that is a hard thing to spin out of.

And No hes not talking about new laws. these laws have been done before. the US shut off immigration before legally and it didnt have to do with skin tone at all.

The US has had all kinds of laws before that you would not want to see re-instituted.

So..."New Laws" in that they are not on the books now...but otherwise you are correct..."New laws" not in the sense they have never been done before.

I f you think its racist to enforce a nations borders youre a anarchist. When outsiders want to come in and take advantage of freebies and they come out your pocket id bet you would be saying hell no.

There is a different debate there to be had. It is not racist to enforce current laws, nor immigration laws...though immigration reform is seriously needed. Trump has said he wants a constitutional amendment to eliminate birthright citizenship, to expand the patriot act to afford surveillance etc of all Muslims and Muslim communities without probable cause, to prohibit Muslims from entering the country, change military policy to afford targeting the families and relatives of suspected terrorists...all of this backed with rhetoric deriding Hispanics, Middle Easterners etc. The list is long..

Deporting IS legal and its in our current laws before TRUMP even tried to run. Regan tried amnesty and it made th e problem worse. whats that phrase about doing th e same thing over and over again is INSANE?

I am confused why you think this discussion is about enforcing current laws?

Ive told everyone before screw the rest of the world till we get our own house in order. If you dont want to be a part of it become a ex pat and dont let the door hit y a where the creator split ya.

I might say the same to you? More so when the movement you support is looking to undue constitutional pillars built by our founding fathers.


As Benjamin Franklin said...

Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

Hitler wasnt a law abiding man.(well democratically voted on and enacted he was a DICTATOR)

Trump is no Hitler..But...yes Hitler WAS a law abiding man...He created the laws and then abided by them...much how Trump would like to change laws to suit his agenda. We can discuss similarities without declaring Trump as Hitler...and there are certainly similarities in proposals.

Americans let an election cycle reduce them to school kids in a playground. You have to ask how and why. that could happen.

Yeah, still waiting to hear the enlightened Trump supporters of ATS answer how they manage to support the following:

Trump wants to create a database of all Muslim Americans
Trump has openly stated on record that he would end press freedom in America
Trump has openly supported the use of physical violence against Americans

Come on cheer leaders, some of us really want to know how you support these three things. Forget the sexism, forget the racism, forget the complete lack of any policies regarding education, health, the military or economy, just answer those three simple things.

How do you support the man knowing he stands for these three things.

I know you keep dodging these things in every thread because you can't claim that he was misinterpreted or misquoted or that it's all "propaganda", so what do you say?

a reply to: BatheInTheFountain

I just logged onto Facebook, first time in a while and the first thing I see is the Trump quote about dumb republicans from one of my friends. I commented on the falsity of the meme and was greeted with the low information voter diatribe that's prevalent with that group of people. I will not be logging back onto Facebook until 2017. I would like to keep my friends as such.

a reply to: Rocker2013

Isn't there already a database on all Americans? When I buy guns, I go into a database. No different, yet gun control advocates say it's no big deal. It's done to protect Americans.
As for your other claims, I'll have to search that info.
Look, I get it, I couldn't stand trump either. But it's doing what you asked, researching the facts of his statements that showed me how messed up claims like yours are and the actual words he spoke are usually misrepresented. I thought I'd NEVER vote for trump, but here I am, months later, after looking into his past and his positions, actually supporting trump.