1812 so who won?

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: imjack
He didn't put the bank up to power admitedly.

Then why say it?

Just because he didn't start it, doesn't mean he didn't finish it. The basic story of us losing ends with him.

originally posted by: imjack
Just because he didn't start it, doesn't mean he didn't finish it. The basic story of us losing ends with him.

While I do not agree with a unbacked dollar it did not end with him. Nixon and Ford were also involved.

I'd say neither side were victorious, otherwise it would have been taught in school and I had never heard of it until about 10 years ago. Besides, if the U.S had won, they would still be bleating about it now.

Is it taught in schools in the U.S? If so, then they probably think they won.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Nixon came closer to fixing it than making it worse with Petrodollars. It didn't change the Feds ability to inflate currency however, and now even worse our dollar is fixed again, WHILE being inflated!

originally posted by: Cobaltic1978

Is it taught in schools in the U.S? If so, then they probably think they won.

This guy Im talking to also got taught the US won in Vietnam sooo......make that of it as you will

a reply to: Cobaltic1978

Isn't this the war where some fella called William Tell shot an arrow off Isaac Newton's head, showing the world that Albert Einstein was right about gravity?

originally posted by: imjack
Nixon came closer to fixing it than making it worse with Petrodollars. It didn't change the Feds ability to inflate currency however, and now even worse our dollar is fixed again, WHILE being inflated!

Nixon did not link the dollar to oil, that was a organic byproduct of the largest economy purchasing foreign oil with dollars.

Nixon enabled the Federal Reserve to print unbacked dollars which is why a stable dollar linked to a basket of commodities would be the best tool for stabilizing inflation.

It was taught in schools when I was a kid in the 70s and 80s.

Basically: Both won, or Neither won, depending on your point of view.

Americans were outraged over the British navy press ganging US merchants into service (today we'd call that Piracy and Kidnapping).
Britain at the time was also stopping all trade between the US and France because it was a war with France at the time.

By 1814 both sides were tired of the war, as both sides were making headway, but also losses.

The treaty at Ghent ended the war (all though as noted, due to very lengthy ship time travel, the battle of New Orleans happen AFTER the war was suppose to be over, heh), Britain no longer pressed US merchants into service, and because the war was over with France, the US could trade with it again.

In other words the main reasons for the war were no longer there.

Britain had won it's war with France and no longer need to block trade, nor press sailors. They also were able to retain their lands in Canada.

The US no longer had it's sailors basically kidnapped by the British and was able to trade with France again.

So, reality is: Both won.

a reply to: crazyewok

Canada won lol, burned down the Whitehorse TWICE.



Cheers - Dave

a reply to: crazyewok

Oh dear, seriously?

Maybe leaving quicker than you arrived is deemed a victory in the U.S?

After all they also think they won the war in Iraq and look at the mess there. Of course the U.K Government think the same thing, but most of us have cried Bullshine to that.

a reply to: crazyewok

I'd agree generally. It was at best a draw and at worst a loss.

Of course, the argument lies in what started it. Manifest destiny? Perhaps the British indenturing American-actually British sailors who were now 'American citizens' which Britain never acknowledged- the area and responsibility seems murky,

Militarily, the British still had professional soldiers while the U.S. relied on state supplied, militia troops. Big disadvantage for the U.S..

Brings back that old Johnny Horton song....Well...they ran through the briars and ran through the brambles...they ran through bushes where the rabbits couldn't go....


The last time the French were of any use...

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Buying oil is only accepted in US dollars exclusively, for all the world. We make money when ANYONE buys oil because they must first convert to American USD to buy it. We enforce the world to this system through our military. Our money is monopoly and only has value because of its oil purchase power. The reason we stock gold is because at any moment the world could change and say "# USD, it's legal tender and worthless" This is also why we are in debt so much, because more circulation actually improves our economy, through debt. We have no reason to save, none of it is real. Thanks FDR.

Yes, the UK won that one, but right on it's heals was Fifty Four Fourty or Fight

Burn the white house down and later we gained the Oregon territory

a reply to: eriktheawful

Everyone's a winner then, or a loser, depending on your outlook.

a reply to: crazyewok

The British stopped impressing American seamen. Advantage US.

originally posted by: Jonjonj
a reply to: Cobaltic1978

Isn't this the war where some fella called William Tell shot an arrow off Isaac Newton's head, showing the world that Albert Einstein was right about gravity?

Yes and Darwin ate all the giant tortoises he brought back from the Galápagos Islands.

originally posted by: imjack
Buying oil is only accepted in US dollars exclusively, for all the world.

Not accurate. Russia began converting its petrodollar proceeds into rubles back in 2015 and many oil-rich nations began selling their assets at the same time. China began selling oil in their currency in 2012.

The reason we stock gold is because at any moment the world could change...

The amount of gold stockpiled in the world is a very tiny percentage of the overall money supply.

originally posted by: SLAYER69
Yes, the UK won that one, but right on it's heals was Fifty Four Fourty or Fight

Burn the white house down and later we gained the Oregon territory

I would say gaining Oregon was a loss and a Win for Britain as we didnt have to share a border with California

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: crazyewok

The British stopped impressing American seamen. Advantage US.

Not because of the war of 1812 though. Only because the war in France ended in a UK victory and we didnt need the manpower anymore.

a reply to: crazyewok

Who Won War of 1812

Don Hickey, a professor of history at Wayne State College in Nebraska, says that’s one of many myths surrounding the War of 1812. The U.S. went to war over British maritime policies, he argues; the Orders in Council, which restricted U.S. trade with countries under the dominion of Napoleon, and the British practice of impressing American merchant seamen into the Royal Navy. “Canada was the means to achieve concessions on the maritime issues,” he says, “not an end in and of itself. Although if we had conquered Canada it’s possible we would not have given it up.” Because the Canadians weren’t part of the run-up to the war, it looks to them as if the United States “simply invaded Canada, hoping to conquer and annex it,” he says.

Despite their disagreements about the start of the war, they agree about the end. The British won, despite what Americans may think. The British kept Canada, as well as the maritime policies that Americans say were the reason for the war. Still, almost everyone involved walked off happy. The Americans are happy because they think they won. The Canadians were happier because they know they won--they remained part of the British Empire. And the British are happiest because they’ve forgotten all about it

There you have it...