A british man has been barred from exposing his son to Christianity because ex wife is Muslim

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: ketsuko
By Islamic rules, the father determines the faith of the child, so the child should be Christian, not Muslim, and the mother should be in trouble for having a child with someone not of the faith if she is all that devout.

Guess you did not read the short article. He began attending church after the divorce, he was Muslim prior to this.

A perfect example why religions are not peaceful, and why people will use them to control, hate, and punish.

Both of the parents are selfish and driven by ego. Religion becomes the tool for destruction, indoctrination, and teaching hatred early on.

originally posted by: Realtruth
Both of the parents are selfish and driven by ego.

I do not doubt that at all. If you replaced 'religion' in the article with 'football club' it would be a non-issue. Everyone just happens to get upset since they think their religion is superior to all the others.

originally posted by: Realtruth

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: ketsuko
By Islamic rules, the father determines the faith of the child, so the child should be Christian, not Muslim, and the mother should be in trouble for having a child with someone not of the faith if she is all that devout.

Guess you did not read the short article. He began attending church after the divorce, he was Muslim prior to this.

A perfect example why religions are not peaceful, and why people will use them to control, hate, and punish.

Both of the parents are selfish and driven by ego.

Yet people who are not religious do pretty much the same thing.

But you know, just blame religion.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: Realtruth
Both of the parents are selfish and driven by ego.

I do not doubt that at all. If you replaced 'religion' in the article with 'football club' it would be a non-issue. Everyone just happens to get upset since they think their religion is superior to all the others.

People fight and slice each other up over football games too, but at least it's not as bad a religion.

The problem lies within the context of ego's, control and people's individuals choices are the right ones. We seem to infect the younger generation with hatred, that stems from lack of awareness.

Maybe we should teach awareness and critical thinking in school, and replace religion with the same. The world might turn out better individuals.

originally posted by: TerryDon79

originally posted by: Realtruth

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: ketsuko
By Islamic rules, the father determines the faith of the child, so the child should be Christian, not Muslim, and the mother should be in trouble for having a child with someone not of the faith if she is all that devout.

Guess you did not read the short article. He began attending church after the divorce, he was Muslim prior to this.

A perfect example why religions are not peaceful, and why people will use them to control, hate, and punish.

Both of the parents are selfish and driven by ego.

Yet people who are not religious do pretty much the same thing.

But you know, just blame religion.

And they are wrong also, dogmas have caused more chaos and death in our world than anything else.

Everyone is religious, it all boils down to fools that follow without questioning, and fools that believe their particular choice is the right one, hence chaos between dogmas.

So yes I blame religion partly, but mostly the fools that follow blindly.

The idea that all religions are equal because they fall under the heading "religion" is absurd. The child and British society are far better off if the child is Christian.

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
The idea that all religions are equal because they fall under the heading "religion" is absurd. The child and British society are far better off if the child is Christian.

Hmm, Westboro Baptist style or just regular Church of England?

a reply to: grainofsand

Hmm, Westboro Baptist style or just regular Church of England?

I'm assuming the Church of England. Even if it is Westboro Baptist, the worse we'd have to fear is him holding a sign with nonsense on it.

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

True.
The average Anglican church in the UK is hardly a threat to anyone, I haven't heard of many Christian extremists at least.
But who knows what goes on behind the scenes of their 'innocent' looking jumble sales and community events...

a reply to: grainofsand

True.
The average Anglican church in the UK is hardly a threat to anyone, I haven't heard of many Christian extremists at least.
But who knows what goes on behind the scenes of their 'innocent' looking jumble sales and community events...

We can start worrying about Christians when they start beheading sorcerers and adulterers in their holy land, start strapping bombs to the bodies of children, and start throwing homosexuals from the minarets.

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

Hmm, I'm not too sure, the 200+ year old Anglican church in my street has a good dozen or so suspicious looking pensioners shuffling out out of it every Sunday afternoon.
I can only imagine what they are plotting behind those closed doors, mass poisoning from their cake sales I reckon...or just bell-ringing induced insanity every Sunday morning when I'm trying to have a long lay in bed...grr!

a reply to: grainofsand

Hmm, I'm not too sure, the 200+ year old Anglican church in my street has a good dozen or so suspicious looking pensioners shuffling out out of it every Sunday afternoon.

I can only imagine what they are plotting behind those closed doors, mass poisoning from their cake sales I reckon...or just bell-ringing induced insanity every Sunday morning when I'm trying to have a long lay in bed...grr!

Obviously these Christians are leaving their homeland in droves to go fight for terrorist organizations, and their church is just a front for recruitment.

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
Obviously these Christians are leaving their homeland in droves to go fight for terrorist organizations, and their church is just a front for recruitment.

I think you could be correct there, that's why it's only old people I see shuffling out, perhaps all those of fighting age are already in the theatre of religious war.
They also run a homeless shelter here, the bastards are obviously targeting the vulnerable and radicalising them for their Christian war of hate against non-believers.

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

Let's not worry that priests are molesting children with the Church trying to cover it up.

Nope, nothing to worry about there. Those Christian children are certainly better off.

Maybe I missed it, but it seems the father is only prohibited from taking his child into a church building. Is he prohibited from talking about the Christian religion to his son, or reading passages from the Bible to him in his home, or telling his son why he himself left the Muslim religion?

originally posted by: kaylaluv
Maybe I missed it, but it seems the father is only prohibited from taking his child into a church building. Is he prohibited from talking about the Christian religion to his son, or reading passages from the Bible to him in his home, or telling his son why he himself left the Muslim religion?

That's how I understood it as well.
The mother has legal parental responsibility so the court had to run with her wishes.
I'm on the fence with it to be honest, I don't believe in any gods, but as others have said, if the mother didn't want him to take the child to a football game then he would have to abide by her wishes.

The real tragedy is that their parental relationship has broken down so badly that they need the courts to make their decisions for them.
My ex-wife is my best friend, and we raised our son from the age of two to adulthood as a cohesive partnership. 3 or 4 nights a week with either me or his mam, both watching him at school sports days, both attending parents evening, even a 'family' meal every couple of weeks.
We got divorced for £50, just got the forms from the court and filled them in ourselves, even played 'best of three' at poker to decide who had to petition for the divorce...that's another story though.

It's a pity both parents deem their religion as more important than just working together and raising a young life the best way they can as a parental team.
They should both be ashamed as far as I see it.

a reply to: kaylaluv

Let's not worry that priests are molesting children with the Church trying to cover it up.

Nope, nothing to worry about there. Those Christian children are certainly better off.

If that makes you feel better. We can discuss child brides if this needs be added to the equation.

a reply to: grainofsand

I guess what I'm saying is, the father can indoctrinate the kid just as much as the mother does, if that is what he wants to do. He can teach the boy about Christianity, he can bash the Muslim religion, he can force the boy to read the Bible, he can do or say anything he wants, as long as he doesn't bring the boy into a church building.

Personally, I think that would be a little cruel, because it certainly would confuse the boy - but I'm not seeing where the father wouldn't be allowed to do that.

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: kaylaluv

Let's not worry that priests are molesting children with the Church trying to cover it up.

Nope, nothing to worry about there. Those Christian children are certainly better off.

If that makes you feel better. We can discuss child brides if this needs be added to the equation.

That is more of a cultural issue than an Islamic issue.

No one religious affiliation is associated with child marriage. Rather, a variety of religions are associated with child marriage in countries throughout the world.

www.icrw.org...

a reply to: kaylaluv

That is more of a cultural issue than an Islamic issue.

Yet it is occurring in the UK.