What kind of man is Pope Francis?

a reply to: Rapha

The official explanation is much more sinister, in my opinion. It may be that they would nuke the Church in order for it to release their evil incarnate, which would then move to Jerusalem.

I wish there was a way to conduct a poll on this thread. I am interested in seeing the distribution of opinions about Pope Francis. Any suggestions what I should use?

a reply to: ilstar

I identify as a Gnostic. I believe each and every one of us carries a spark of the divine within. I believe that each and every one of us can commune with Christ within ourselves. The Catholic Church arose as a method of control over the masses. Constantine co-opted the early Christian religion as a means of controlling his empire. History is very clear on this. Constantine was never baptized as a Christian until on his death bed.

The early Christians were Gnostics... and I believe that Gnosis was the Christian message...

Is my view controversial... yup, sure is.

I have bucked two centuries of Catholic indoctrination to find my own way...

As A Gnostic, I believe that each and every one of us must find our own way. We worship God, as we understand God... but we fail to understand that the spark of God lies within each and every one of us... that is our failing. Christ, or the spirit of Christ resides in each and every one of us. We simply need to look within...

Well, INRI comes from the Bible. I have never heard it is an acronym for anything other than it is from the Latin phrase 'Iesus Nazarenus Rex Iudaeorum' meaning 'Jesus of Nazareth, King of the Jews'. Pontius Pilate wrote it on the cross. Variously said to have been in 3 languages.

en.m.wikipedia.org...

I am only finding the translation you wrote from articles specifically quoting the article you got your info from...any links to other sources on it? Interested in reading that interpretation.

www.washingtonpost.com... eace/

Apparently, the doves have been an issue for a long time with many Popes. Doesnt prove or disprove anything, but it wasn't just Francis.



I agree that sculpture is weird and creepy. First time I saw it, I was sure it was a fake picture. It seems dark and out of place for sure.

He's a very good, sincere man.

originally posted by: BarefootInWinter
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I am only finding the translation you wrote from articles specifically quoting the article you got your info from...any links to other sources on it? Interested in reading that interpretation.

I'm also interested in checking this information about the alternative interpretation of INRI, but few have read Talmud and know what's there. Talmud was written after Jesus was crucified and the Jews scattered, so it makes sense that it could include something against him, but I'm not sure. We need someone who has studied Talmud diligently to help us out here.

originally posted by: BarefootInWinter
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Apparently, the doves have been an issue for a long time with many Popes. Doesnt prove or disprove anything, but it wasn't just Francis.

The issue is that the doves weren't attacked by gulls and especially crows before. The first attack was by a gull in 2013, as your cited article stated, which is when Pope Francis was elected. To me this still seems creepy and weird.

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
He's a very good, sincere man.

Ok, let's hope so. But I'm still going to keep watching every move he makes, and when he makes a serious mistake, which any person can make, this will look much worse for him, considering already much information that casts negative light on him but does not yet prove that he is evil. Hopefully we will learn who he really is sometime in the future.

I just recall watching Pope Francis interred.

A child was singing, Giovanni (Clan Giovanni) interred him,
Francis sends a statement like Franc is why.
Reminds me of French royal Marquis de Sade.

Here are three quotes that show that Pope Francis is in alignment with Marxist and anti-christian project Venus.

Working for a just distribution of the fruits of the earth and human labor is not mere philanthropy. It is a moral obligation. For Christians, the responsibility is even greater: it is a commandment. ~ Pope Francis

Yeah such project Venus distribution is not a philanthropy. It is technocratic Marxism.

And more hate against capitalism and values:

The worship of the ancient golden calf has returned in a new and ruthless guise in the idolatry of money. ~ Pope Francis

So should we just ban money like in project Venus?

A person who thinks only about building walls, wherever they may be, and not building bridges, is not Christian. This is not in the gospel. ~ Pope Francis

The issue is that you need to build walls as well as build bridges. Otherwise, we get the world controlled by global government without any way of escaping it because it would have no "walls" and more than enough "bridges."

originally posted by: Teddy916
... like most modern leaders he accepts any gifts given to him; regardless if he likes it or not.

No, he loves the Marxist "crucifix."

I prayed it over and I thought I would leave them [the Marxist abominations of Jesus] with Our [virgin] Lady of Copacabana, so they go to the shrine. The wooden Christ I took with me. ~ Pope Francis

"There could not have been a gift that more accurately represents this pope’s value system than Christ crucified on a hammer and sickle."

I suggest you look at Pope Francis in light that reflects the truth.

a reply to: ilstar

People wear necklaces and get tattoos with the cross...is that bad?

I don't understand your issues...OP.

He is a very kind man and you are trying to find problems with him? I do not go to church, however, Francis has instilled new hope in me with Christianity.

a reply to: ilstar

How Is saying that the worship of money is anti capitalist?

The issue is that you need to build walls as well as build bridges. Otherwise, we get the world controlled by global government without any way of escaping it because it would have no "walls" and more than enough "bridges."

What is easier to escape through, a wall or a bridge...
Walls keep people in just as much as they keep people out.

originally posted by: veracity
a reply to: ilstar

People wear necklaces and get tattoos with the cross...is that bad?...

Do people wear hammer and sickles with Jesus crucified on them? Pope Francis seems to enjoy them.

originally posted by: veracity
a reply to: ilstar
...He is a very kind man and you are trying to find problems with him?...

I find problems with two-faced liars who say they believe in God but really they are as bad as atheists. We've had those with the likes of Kant, now we have Pope Francis to replace Marxists.

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: ilstar

How Is saying that the worship of money is anti capitalist?
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He is saying that to have money is to worship it. Yes, that's anti-capitalist because there can be no capitalism without currency. Edit: he compares money to idolatry, which he is against.

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: ilstar
... What is easier to escape through, a wall or a bridge...
Walls keep people in just as much as they keep people out.

Walls help differentiate ourselves and also make revolutions in case they are needed. All revolutions were first organized from outside the "walls" of an oppressive regime (e.g. Socialist by Lenin & Co.) and were executed, backed, and helped from outside by other nations (e.g. American).

"Bridges" in this regard would be chains and surveillance systems.

a reply to: ilstar

He never says to have it is to worship it... he says that it had become the golden calf and that people do in fact worship it. And your wall metaphor couldn't be more full of tripe if you tried lol.

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: ilstar

He never says to have it is to worship it... he says that it had become the golden calf and that people do in fact worship it. And your wall metaphor couldn't be more full of tripe if you tried lol.

Do you agree that Pope Francis is against idolatry? Then you agree that he is against money.

Maybe you are a Marxist already, which would explain how you like Pope Francis.

Here is a test for all of you out there whether you are dormant or actual Marxists:
Is Society Nature?

a reply to: ilstar

Do you agree that Pope Francis is against idolatry? Then you agree that he is against money.

YOU are creating this scenario, and doing so by speaking in an absolute manner.

Of course he is against idolatry, that is a core concept of his religion. But he has never said that if you have money then you must worship it. Only that he sees the greed of the world today as such. That is aimed at a select few, and I doubt you are one of them. I won't deny he isn't a fan of capitalism, but you are in turn taking that and turning into something he has never said.


And I am sure by your definition I am a full blooded Marxist, so there is no need for me to answer your question which I am sure is followed by some convoluted explanation where you make senseless metaphors like your walls.
I bet anyone and everyone who has a bad word to say about capitalism or money would be, based on how you are taking the popes statements and twisting them.

a reply to: ilstar

Yes, some people have Jesus on the cross of their necklace, but it doesn't matter bc the cross alone represents his torture and death.

also

Athiests are not bad!!!!!!!!!

You are bad for assuming and judgments.

chill the f out!

Torus

Paul VI Audience Hall

The Vatican. The Pope is not an institution of religion and or spirituality. It is one of power, wealth and control. Of science.

If you notice in the below images the Paul VI Audience Hall makes a tours pattern. The Pope is saying. I am the divinity at the centre of the torus.
















The outside of the building notice the shape it is. The same shape as the all seeing eye. The Holy See.







Here we have the giant pine cone and the two peacocks at Vatican. The pine cone is a symbol of a torus as when you look at the bottom of a pine cone it spirals both ways. A torus. The two peacocks are positive and negative.



Fontana della Pigna





As illustrated in the desert spiral. Yet another torus. Just a different way of showing it. Note the two separate spirals, one positive one negative.

Desert Breath






All are torus.

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: ilstar
...he has never said that if you have money then you must worship it. Only that he sees the greed of the world today as such. That is aimed at a select few, and I doubt you are one of them. I won't deny he isn't a fan of capitalism, but you are in turn taking that and turning into something he has never said.

He said "the idolatry of money." With these kinds of thoughts Pope Francis can be easily converted into Marxism by "a select few." Or he may be used for purposes of Marxism without being aware of it. Hence I don't trust him or believe that what he is doing is truly beneficial to people.

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: ilstar
...And I am sure by your definition I am a full blooded Marxist, so there is no need for me to answer your question which I am sure is followed by some convoluted explanation where you make senseless metaphors like your walls.
I bet anyone and everyone who has a bad word to say about capitalism or money would be, based on how you are taking the popes statements and twisting them.

Not necessarily. I am doing research for my PhD dissertation on conceptual metaphors, and Society is Nature is one of them that is used often by Vladimir Lenin and other Marxists. I've tested it on Marxist Revolutionary Left forum and got the same result: Marxists think that Society is metaphysical, i.e. it has always been, like Nature. But to take that metaphor literally is to be a full-fledged Marxist, which is the same as to be a technocrat, as in Vladimir Lenin's and Jacque Fresco's instances.

originally posted by: veracity
a reply to: ilstar

Yes, some people have Jesus on the cross of their necklace, but it doesn't matter bc the cross alone represents his torture and death.

also

Athiests are not bad!!!!!!!!!

You are bad for assuming and judgments.

chill the f out!

I'm bad, sure. I've also had mostly bad experiences with atheists, whether Objectivist, Marxist, Kantian, or the ones on this forum. What I realize that you don't is that theism (like Christianity) and atheism (like Marxism) cannot be integrated. It's like mixing good with evil. At the end all you get is evil, never good. So if Pope Francis keeps the hammer and sickle "crucifix" on the wall of his room, he might as well end up a Marxist and forget about everything Christian that he has been taught. And he is showing bad signs of this.

Both you and Sremmos80 ignored my first quote. Pope Francis said that an economic distribution is an obligation. That is, it shouldn't depend on people but must depend on those in the government to perform it. Have you seen movies or read anything on Project Venus? Project Venus is a project for a complete reorganization of our societies into a global network where there is no money, all resources are shared (resource-based economy), and everything is built and organized by technologies and robots with people being mere pragmatical instruments.

You should see what Jasque Fresco says in the most recent movie about his project: The Choice is Ours (2016)


My criticism of the entire Venus Project is that living in harmony with nature is not the same as living in harmony with robots. They claim that "Fresco's designs are a showcase for the harmonious coexistence of nature and technology" (1:15:14-24), except I think it's making technology into a form of religion, like in Marxist technocracy. And if you are not an engineer or someone subservient to technology, you shall be executed. Fresco adds, "people would be much more productive, much more humane, much happier people . . . with a value system and new technology" (1:20:00-17), except he mentions nothing about value system in terms other than new technology. Fresco finally makes clear: "Emotions are superfluous to the task" (1:28:50). In other words, it's not about how we feel but only about building more robots and maintaining them. As if that wasn't enough, here is more of Fresco's glorious future: "The word love will disappear in the future and be replaced by a newer definition called 'extensionality', meaning it enhances one another's lives" (1:29:43-54). So 'love' will be all about function, as in being, in Fresco's words, "functionally selfish" (1:25:20). Oh, and "we can never achieve consciousness . . . without instrumentation" (1:31:00). Oh no, Jacque has more of guiding advice: "Loyalty to the Earth [translates to] the pledge of allegiance to methodology" (1:33:50-34:07).

My argument is that Pope Francis is paving the way toward this kind of "glorious" future, where there are no "walls" and only "bridges."

a reply to: ProfessorPatternfish

Paganism in the Catholic Church has been pretty obvious from the start. They use pagan messages in order to attract wider public. See, for example, the horned Moses (which, I believe, wasn't a mistake but was a pagan interpretation of scripture).



However, the symbols that you showed are not necessarily bad. If you follow Foster Gamble, then you know that torus is a ubiquitous shape in our Universe. You would also know that it can be corrupted by something blocking the natural flow of energy in this pattern. Standing in the center of it could mean a being who is trying to ascend falsely. And a false ascension is the goal of all creatures of darkness in order to overcome God.

a reply to: ilstar

Foster Gambles film Thrive is the agenda. He is not one of the so called elite being a good guy. He is saying to the rest of the bad guys, we have everything in place now including unlimited free energy.

They do not need or want us anymore. We have little to no use now.

That whole film is littered with symbolism. DO NOT BE FOOLED.


We are all dead by 2022 billions of us. It is happening right now. All these migrants they are all being killed by the train load.

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