U.S Marines?

I know some of you here are/were a Marine, and I'm not really trying to pick at you. But what the hell is your malfuntion? You hear so many more derogatory stories about marines then any other force and can you imagine the ones we don't hear about??

The reason I'm asking about marines is because last night I went out to the clubs downtown and of course ran into many marines *you can smell them a mile away* well as I'm sitting there enjoying my drink a guy starts asking another guy what branch of service he's in, and the other guy replies "air force" and the guy asking starts cracking up laughing, immediately he starts in on the guy in the AF saying what a coward and piece of chit he is etc etc..and I-being the smartass that I am-started talking about how the marines wouldn't be anything without the power of the other forces and all blah blah blah! So finally the drunk marine shut up and left the AF guy alone.

Well a few hours later, I ran into another marine, he asked what branch I thought he was in and I said hell if I know, air force? *knowing he was a marine* and he got all flustered because I thought he was in the AF anyway, after talking to him for a bit, he seemed to try coming onto me saying he would like me to meet his cool friends up the road (right) I told him he must have mistaken me for some 13 year old and walked off.

Anyway, the questions I have are: Why are the marines so different then other branches of service? Why are they such trouble makers? They have a 'thing' here whereas they go out in big groups and by the end of the night atleast 1 man in the group has to find and knock out the biggest *non-marine* in the club before the night is over. You hear the stories every weekend where there are huge fights started by the marines because of this. Because if they don't 'knock' the guy out and he goes to punch the marine back, then the whole group jumps in and starts beating the one guy to a pulp!
So what's their problem? Anyone here have any clue? Are they THAT brain washed? And why don't they get in trouble?
Did you know that the single marines aren't even allowed to have a car here, unless they are higher ranking? What does that tell you?
Magestica

[Edited on 6/15/03 by magestica]

Thats one reason we have called them "Jarheads", I know it started with how their haircut. But it fits well with the mentality also. Another term they have likened upon themselves is "DevilDog", maybe you just ran into a roudy crew that was of leave, I have never had anytrouble with Marines personally. But I know many can be bilergerent, I guess it's because they are grunts in the worst way. Don't worry though too much, when the Military is "on duty" they tend to work together in a decent fashion. Although not as the perfect machine it could be...

p.s.
If there are Marines near by, its more than likely the SF/MP (security forces/mil.police) are even closer. But not always in civilian cities, I'm sure you know that though.



[Edited on 15-6-2003 by ADVISOR]

This was not just 'one' night that got me wondering. I've been a military dependant for almost 10 years and in the course of those 10 years, have seen first hand the way marines behave. It bothers me to think these 'people' are the ones on the front line during war. They are freakin nuts! You've heard all the stories, I'm sure. And like I said, every weekend they go 'sucker punching' some big guy in another branch of service. WHY? Do you not think this causes deep rooted issues in the long run? Say in a war time situation? Someone has to go rescue their butts, and it's usually AF or Navy..so why are they so disrespectful towards them?
Magestica

That's them obsolete male impulses for ya...

Perhaps the reason they are "freakin nuts", as front line shock troops they do have an image to portray. Because that is exactly what the corp. is, shock troops, My best friend is a Marine, and even he don't deny what I have stated. I really cannot explain any more, as I am not a Marine. Boy am I glad, as I was almost one.

Not exactly sure if its total disrespect, it might be extreame rivalry. I know this to exist within branches and between branches, or maybe some just feel they need to keep the old rough and tough traditions alive.
I'm sure a Jarhead will find your question, eventually...
After they roll in from a long night .

I was a Marine (87-94). And I do have an answer , magestica. We were indoctrined that way, starting from day one "if you wanna something easy, try the others, the Corps is looking for a .. ....", well, you know the rest. Now I see all these are nothing more than pseduo gung-ho / phony macho bravado. But back then, every one of us believed it as if they were from GOD.

What a controversal topic.

I praise Magesitca for her bravery. I feel the same way but wouldn't have ever posted it here. Why????

Maybe I am not that balsy. Who knows. Maybe I felt like it wouldn't be accepted by others. Anyway I feel you on this one.

I have to say that it has something to do with what it means to be a Marine. Marines know what they have to do and so do the rest of the "Others". We all know that Marines are nothing but government sheilds and puppets of war. They know that their lives are not worth anything. They know that they are considered nothing to your average military advisor or your average spook. That is why you find unscrupulous men in the Core. Because they have death wishes. Either that or they are really devout and brave or just stupid and material. That is my point. Materialism.

Believe it or not many Marines are materialistic. They want praise and honor. Therefore they go about getting it by joining something most are not willing to join. Most people don't have the guts and glory to be a Marine. That gets to their heads and it mutates them. Just as MashiMaro said, "We were indoctrined that way."

The Core makes these men nothing but killing machines and many of them know it and are proud of it too.

I did surveys for the busline in North San Diego county last fall. Most of the surveys included the buslines that go through Camp Pendelton(Sorry can't spell it). For those that don't know already Marines go one of two places for basic training. Either Pendelton or Paris Island. So I have seen and heard from many Marines in my day. Especially recently. Not to mention I often go to Oceanside when I am visiting my parents who live in the area. Oceanside has two types of people in masse. Marines and homeless people.

You wouldn't believe the crap that comes out of their mouths. Well first of all, let me tell you about the type of Marines you have. You have the ignorant and vulgar type like you mentioned and you have the quiet and calm type. That is it.

The ignorant ones do this:

"My this, my that, my drill instructor this, my drill instructor that."

"I f*cked her and then I f*cked her, and then me and him f*cked both of them."

"My cell phone this, my cell phone that."

"I am going to kill this and I am going to kill that."

Basically they brag and talk sh*t.

Pardon my langauge but that is how it goes.

They are vulgar and rude.

They are also lacking what it takes to be real men. Cause real men don't speak like that. That is why many of them are young and dumb. Because they are ignorant. If they knew any better than they would think about what and who they are and be more thoughtful of that. Yet they don't and they could care less. Why????

Cause that is the way of the arrogant and ignorant mind.

I could go into long explanations of certain conversations I heard when I had that job but I would rather spare us all of the lack of intelligent conversation involved in such cases. I am sure you have already heard them already anyway dear. I can tell that they are getting on your nerves. Trust me, it got on my nerves too.

Most Marines are great people but it is the few that make the others look bad. Sometimes I just wanted to start preaching to these boys but I held my tongue because I was surrounded by them in large numbers, mostly by myself. So a little guy like me with a bus full of 40 Marines on government land was not the best place to do so. Especially considering the things I wanted to say.

One guy was talking about how he would kill anyone for money and how he would cover his tracks. He was saying that if his drill instructor or any other personnel for that matter asked him to kill another Marine that he would do it no questions asked for 200 dollars. Does that sound like a Marine????

Well it shouldn't.

Real Marines fight Nazis, not other Marines.


So I will agree with you here Magestica(As if I ever disagree with you).

The fact that 'men' like this are our last hopes during wars upcoming or in the past is scary to me. If America was in a real war, a war that didn't have the luxuries of the Air Force and Navy that we have today, then this country would be screwed. Just imagine these men fighting troops equivalent to the dexterity of the Japanese troops in WWII or the Nazis in today's world. They would be slaughtered. Then this country would be raped alive. Sad isn't it.

And to think that these ignorant Marines hold grudges against the other people of our armed forces. That is totally degenerate if you ask me.

Originally posted by MashiMaro
I was a Marine (87-94). And I do have an answer , magestica. We were indoctrined that way, starting from day one "if you wanna something easy, try the others, the Corps is looking for a .. ....", well, you know the rest. Now I see all these are nothing more than pseduo gung-ho / phony macho bravado. But back then, every one of us believed it as if they were from GOD.

Semper Fidelis, you fat bunny. I regret not joining up.

Originally posted by Freddie

Originally posted by MashiMaro
I was a Marine (87-94). And I do have an answer , magestica. We were indoctrined that way, starting from day one "if you wanna something easy, try the others, the Corps is looking for a .. ....", well, you know the rest. Now I see all these are nothing more than pseduo gung-ho / phony macho bravado. But back then, every one of us believed it as if they were from GOD.

Semper Fidelis, you fat bunny. I regret not joining up.

You can still sign up if you REALLY want to .... *grin*

Nah, I am to old. I might be working for the State Dept. next month.

Marines are just people , like anybody else and it is wrong to stereotype them as a group. Shame!

However,.....the Marines do look for a certain type of individual. Someone who is intelligent, aggresive, flexible, devout, and above all else, loyal. This does have the facinating effect of attracting alot of people who are testosterone-heavy.

Marines are created and trained to do a very dirty and painful job that most others would never do. Marines relish this fact. Marines know they are different. Marines are proud of it.

It doesn't surprise me that some Marines acted like dorks to you, however, I'm willing to be they were mostly newbies or "boots". A seasoned Marine would likely collar the offending ground-pounder and make him apologize if he were present during your run in.

Remember what they have done for us in the past, what they do for us now, and what we may ask them to do tomorrow. Would you do it? I know I wouldn't. Being a ex-Navy member, I have no love for the Corp (we called them "Bullet Sponges"), but I know who I would want in my foxhole when the sh*t hits the fan.......a well-armed Marine.

Always faithful, Pyro. Cheers to the USMC!

Having grown up around Marines (and other services), and knowing quite a few...I concur.

They are the first in, last out, trained killing machines. When they test new combat drugs, etc. the marines are the guinea pigs... It's actually more amazing that more of them DON'T go completey nuts after leaving the Corps....!!!

Originally posted by Gazrok
Having grown up around Marines (and other services), and knowing quite a few...I concur.

They are the first in, last out, trained killing machines. When they test new combat drugs, etc. the marines are the guinea pigs... It's actually more amazing that more of them DON'T go completey nuts after leaving the Corps....!!!

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everyone I know is completely nuts! but then they are all friends that are stiill alive.

"Kill them all and let GOD sort them out"

to answer the original question

tut

To attract quality recruits its paramount for the Corps to maintain an image of sorts which stands itself out from the rest, thus n this particular case , that be "we are the best!"

Semper Fi, porky bunny.

Don't personally know any Marines...as, of course, I'm not from the USA. But do know plenty of NZ Armed Forces, from Air Force to Navy (my bro was Navy for 13 years) to Army...with a few relations in NZSAS.

They don't seem to like the US Marines all that much, having had 'run-ins' with them while training overseas. For instance, my bro said it was quite common for Marines to be excessively arrogant and start fights for no reason in bars as a bit of macho 'bonding' bravado I suppose...

...though some of those Marines have made the mistake of trying to get the NZ boys involved...and so much for those Marines...lets just say it wasn't the Kiwis spitting out bloodied teeth afterwards...

Shame...big tough Marines getting the shyte kicked outa them by NZNavy boys...



Peace,
ALIEN

suddenly I got this feeling I am all alone in this thread.

Originally posted by MashiMaro
suddenly I got this feeling I am all alone in this thread.

Many here are with you. I don't know why you think otherwise. Some here, including myself posted the other side of the arguement but that doesn't mean we disrespect ALL Marines. Just the ones who disrespect the others unlike them. I don't think that you are alone when you say that Marines are unique in this world. We all can agree with that. It is just that some Marines take advantage of that uniqueness and make it a dogma of pride and arrogant blame. Trust me, we all respect the Marine Core. The only Marines we don't respect are the ones who don't respect others.





You See?

I am familiar with the British armed forces, and I still have a number of friends who are still serving.

From my own personal experience and the experiences of friends, in genaral we dislike having to go to war alongside US forces, simply because of the reason that they are seemingly not taught to think, just shoot and ask questions later. That's not a good policy from an allied position, or for the locals. A friend of mine was on a Transport chopper in the recent conflict when a US marine opened fire on them, the pilot landed the chopper (a Chinook, Iraq doesnt own any) and had to be stopped from decking the marine. This sort of thing happened fairly regular.

I have nothing against Americans, I have American friends, but i just wish that they would educate there troops a little better. They are way to "gun ho" for my liking, to the point where I personally would not trust US forces, in a warzone, not to fire on me. Not good from an allied point of view....