Baptized

Matthew 3:11 " I baptize you with water for repentance, but one who is more powerful than I is coming after me; I am not worthy to carry his sandals. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and with fire. His winnowing fork is in his hand; and he will clear his threshing floor and will gather his wheat into the granary; but the chaff he will burn with the unquenchable fire."

John speaks like a true prophet. The Baptism of the Holy Spirit and fire is step 2 and 3 in a 3 part baptism that starts with repentance in the water, symbolic of the flood. We are made new like the earth after the flood. When you emerge from the water you become filled with the Spirit, and the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Truth. Your new wisdom will fill you with light and the unquenchable fire that burns the chaff is replacing darkness or ignorance with an unquenchable burning, the baptism of fire, that burns forever the evil within.

Matthew 3:16 And when Jesus had been baptized, just as he came up from the water, suddenly the heavens were open to him and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting on him. And a voice from heaven said, " This is my Beloved Son with whom I am well pleased."

This is not a meaningless ritual. This is a transcendent moment for Jesus, one in which he literally has heaven opened to him and the blessings of the Holy Spirit bestowed upon him. And it is immediately before his forty days with Satan. Had he not been baptized, well who knows? But he resisted every temptation in the world. That should be the goal of every one of his followers. To follow in his foot steps and get baptized and receive the Holy Spirit.

Matthew 28: 19-20 "Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything that I have commanded you. And remember, I am with you always, to the end of the age."

Jesus taught his disciples to continue this tradition which has lasted to this day. He did call for evangelism. And teach about the necessity of baptism.

Mark 16:16 " The one who believes and is baptized will be saved; but the one who does not believe [and become baptized] will be condemned. "

Sucks to be the one who doesn't believe and is baptized. Condemnation is bad for the soul.

Acts 1 Corinthians 12:12 For just as the body is one, and all the members of the body, though many, are one body, so it is with Christ. 13 For in the one Spirit we were all baptized into one body-Jews or Greeks, slave or free-and we were all made to drink of one Spirit.

Done are the old distinctions, when you are baptized in the Spirit you are a member of one body. It doesn't make a difference where you are from or what your race or social status anymore. You don't need distinctions anymore because you become enlightened when you are baptized in the Spirit and see that they only serve to divide.

That is my take on, and the accompanying scripture regarding baptism. I don't think it's a meaningless ritual, I think its essential to salvation or what Jesus calls the Kingdom of God. Without baptism you do not have the Holy Spirit. Without the Holy Spirit, you are doomed. Baptism is an initiation into a higher way of thinking. The beginning of a never ending quest for the divine from which we came.

You can do it yourself and do not the assistance of another human. In fact, you should have enough faith that you can ask God yourself and he will answer. You could even do it in the shower as long as you ask God to baptize you with the Spirit with a pure heart.

John 3:5 Jesus answered " Very truly, I tell you, no one can enter the Kingdom of God without being born of water and Spirit.

Being born of water is obviously baptism and Jesus literally is saying you can't go to heaven without it and the Spirit.

Thank you for reading.

a reply to: Heresiarch

The bible teaches that you must be babtized I N WATER, not sprinkled or showered upon. Ther is really no argument.

The word baptizo in Greek, translated “baptize” in the New Testaments, meant to “dip” or “immerse.” It is sometimes argued that in Mark 7:4 and Luke 11:38 the word means “to wash by pouring,” not “immerse”; but in those texts the actual meaning (as historical information substantiates) is to “wash by dipping or immersing in water.”

WATER BAPTISM



Matthew 28:19:
Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.

All believers are to be baptized in water. Failure to do so is disobedience to a direct command given by the Lord Jesus Christ to the church.

a reply to: ReadLeader

Water is water. It's what is in your heart when you ask that is important. You can immerse yourself if you want, I don't make any attempts to officiate people's baptism. Faith is the most important thing.

a reply to: Heresiarch

Water baptism is a symbol of repentance. It does not give us the Holy Spirit. Being born by water is physical birth from birthing fluids. Being born again is by faith. That is how we receive the Holy Spirit.

You do not need water baptism to be saved. Only faith that Jesus died as payment for our sins.

An extract from the Anglican catechism, which I think is relevant to this issue;

Q. What meanest thou by this word Sacrament?
A. I mean an outward and visible sign of an inward and spiritual grace...

In the case of baptism, water is "the outward and visible sign".
The new birth in the Spirit is the inward and spiritual grace.

a reply to: DISRAELI

I have heard that sacrament means mystery. Common concept in the ancient world. Baptism went from a semi-daily ritual among a small number of Israelites called Nazarenes, to an annointed ritual of rebirth. The shedding of the world's ways for the pusuit of a pure soul presentable to God and accepted by Jesus as one of his flock. There isn't a fitting enough word to describe but it is a divine 'ritual initiation' into a higher spiritual order. Not a tax exempt hierarchy of men but a true Order of God.

a reply to: DISRAELI

But I agree with what what you said, regardless of definitions. We understand what va sacrament is. Baptism is THE sacrament. The Spirit is an internal aspect of the sacrament that produces external results in the world. By their fruits...

originally posted by: BELIEVERpriest
a reply to: Heresiarch

Water baptism is a symbol of repentance. It does not give us the Holy Spirit. Being born by water is physical birth from birthing fluids. Being born again is by faith. That is how we receive the Holy Spirit.

You do not need water baptism to be saved. Only faith that Jesus died as payment for our sins.

The scripture says different. So I disagree with you completely. I will just say that I know from personal experience that baptism is the point at which you receive the Holy Spirit and leave it at that.

originally posted by: Heresiarch
Matthew 3:11 " I baptize you with water for repentance, but one who is more powerful than I is coming after me; I am not worthy to carry his sandals. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and with fire. His winnowing fork is in his hand; and he will clear his threshing floor and will gather his wheat into the granary; but the chaff he will burn with the unquenchable fire."

John speaks like a true prophet. The Baptism of the Holy Spirit and fire is step 2 and 3 in a 3 part baptism that starts with repentance in the water, symbolic of the flood. We are made new like the earth after the flood. When you emerge from the water you become filled with the Spirit, and the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Truth. Your new wisdom will fill you with light and the unquenchable fire that burns the chaff is replacing darkness or ignorance with an unquenchable burning, the baptism of fire, that burns forever the evil within.

Matthew 3:16 And when Jesus had been baptized, just as he came up from the water, suddenly the heavens were open to him and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting on him. And a voice from heaven said, " This is my Beloved Son with whom I am well pleased."

This is not a meaningless ritual. This is a transcendent moment for Jesus, one in which he literally has heaven opened to him and the blessings of the Holy Spirit bestowed upon him. And it is immediately before his forty days with Satan. Had he not been baptized, well who knows? But he resisted every temptation in the world. That should be the goal of every one of his followers. To follow in his foot steps and get baptized and receive the Holy Spirit.

Matthew 28: 19-20 "Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything that I have commanded you. And remember, I am with you always, to the end of the age."

Jesus taught his disciples to continue this tradition which has lasted to this day. He did call for evangelism. And teach about the necessity of baptism.

Mark 16:16 " The one who believes and is baptized will be saved; but the one who does not believe [and become baptized] will be condemned. "

Sucks to be the one who doesn't believe and is baptized. Condemnation is bad for the soul.

Acts 1 Corinthians 12:12 For just as the body is one, and all the members of the body, though many, are one body, so it is with Christ. 13 For in the one Spirit we were all baptized into one body-Jews or Greeks, slave or free-and we were all made to drink of one Spirit.

Done are the old distinctions, when you are baptized in the Spirit you are a member of one body. It doesn't make a difference where you are from or what your race or social status anymore. You don't need distinctions anymore because you become enlightened when you are baptized in the Spirit and see that they only serve to divide.

That is my take on, and the accompanying scripture regarding baptism. I don't think it's a meaningless ritual, I think its essential to salvation or what Jesus calls the Kingdom of God. Without baptism you do not have the Holy Spirit. Without the Holy Spirit, you are doomed. Baptism is an initiation into a higher way of thinking. The beginning of a never ending quest for the divine from which we came.

You can do it yourself and do not the assistance of another human. In fact, you should have enough faith that you can ask God yourself and he will answer. You could even do it in the shower as long as you ask God to baptize you with the Spirit with a pure heart.

John 3:5 Jesus answered " Very truly, I tell you, no one can enter the Kingdom of God without being born of water and Spirit.

Being born of water is obviously baptism and Jesus literally is saying you can't go to heaven without it and the Spirit.

Thank you for reading.

The problem is that there was no flood so therefore that is not symbolic of the flood. I don't understand how you can read this entire book and think it makes any sense whatsoever. God goes from being a psychopathic killer murdering millions. Ordering the deaths of firstborn children. God himself repented in the old testament. That means he must have made a mistake. How can God make mistakes. Then he decides he needs to send himself to sacrifice himself for the sins of others. That is like punishing an innocent person for the crime of someone else in order that the guilty person be set free.

BRLIEVER PRIEST

"Unless you are born of the water and the Spirit you will not see the Kingdom of God."

I would like to see the Kingdom of God someday. I think I will take. thevBible's words over yours. You don't believe you receive the Spirit at baptism so you haven't received it yet is all.

a reply to: Joecanada11

If you have such a negative opinion of the Bible and baptism then why did you come, read it and take time to make sure everyone can see what you think?

If you don't like baptism don't think about it

a reply to: Heresiarch

Why then not make believe other things if you take away from the commandment of the Lord Jesus Christ?

Is it ok to bend the rules of the ten commandments as well?

Why not skip the lords supper each week, lets do it every other thursady that falls on an odd number-

These disciples, or Christians (Acts 11:26), assembled on the first day of the week to take the Lord’s Supper. There is no example in the New Testament of another day on which Christians, or members of the Lord’s church, came together to eat the Supper.


God sent His only begotten Son, Jesus Christ, to die for our sins (1 John 4:10). Jesus suffered the punishment which we should have received for our sins (Isaiah 53:4-6). He did not die for His own sins, for He had none (2 Corinthians 5:21). He suffered for our sins on the cross so that we can be forgiven (Romans 5:6-8; 1 Peter 2:24). In order for us to be forgiven of our sins, and therefore receive eternal life, we must accept the salvation which Christ has made possible. There are five steps which we must take to receive this salvation.

HEAR
BELIEVE
REPENT
CONFESS
BE BABTIZED

Its plain and simply written in the scripture.

a reply to: ReadLeader

Your trying to hard. Nobody cares about what you think about the Bible. Nobody is forcing anythingon yyou.

What if the baptism of water is a metaphor of initiation by spiritual energy that can happen on it's own but some people can do with laying of hands tools?

Would the people here who are Christian really go to a person who can do this since it would with great probability change the way the third eye sensor work in the body?

I would also add that this is not only a Christian question since how this is manifested is not dependent on religion but on the nature of the spiritual creation manifested in 3D+1T.

a reply to: ReadLeader

Everything that I put in the OP from the Bible on baptism says that you are incorrect about it being not related to the Holy Spirit. And necessary for entering the Kingdom of God. I am just going right off scripture.

Does it say in the bible where Yeshua put his hands to pushed fire energy thru his hands and where he put his hands when he pushed water energy?

a reply to: Heresiarch

These are your words, Heres- not mine;

Sucks to be the one who doesn't believe and is baptized. Condemnation is bad for the soul.

Being born of water is obviously baptism and Jesus literally is saying you can't go to heaven without it and the Spirit. [/green]

You can do it yourself and do not the assistance of another human. In fact, you should have enough faith that you can ask God yourself and he will answer. You could even do it in the shower as long as you ask God to baptize you with the Spirit with a pure heart.[/green]



You are saying two different things. Anywho, I understand, good luck.

edit on 25-3-2016 by ReadLeader because: (no reason given)

a reply to: Heresiarch
Scripture says that whoever believes on the Son will have everlasting life. It doesn't say anything about water baptism for salvation.

In Jesus' exchange with Nicodemas, He was drawing a contrast between the TWO BIRTHS: the physical birth is by water, the spiritual birth is by faith.
Why would Jesus draw a contrast between synonymous ideas like spiritual birth and water baptism (outward depicting the inward)?

You don't have to worry about my salvation. I believe in Christ, and have shown it with water baptism (which has absolutely no impact on my salvation).

Salvation by water baptism is salvation by works. It contradicts grace.

Water baptism is a symbol of faith of salvation - a personal showing of one's choice. Salvation is the choice one makes when choosing Jesus as their Lord and Savior.

The Law is good and we do our best but it is impossible to live perfectly. Jesus came to replace the Law.

All we have to do is believe and we are saved.

Water baptism is a human's show but not necessary... many accept that absolute gift of Jesus on their deathbed, in sudden accidents - times where water baptism isn't possible.

originally posted by: Heresiarch
a reply to: Joecanada11

If you have such a negative opinion of the Bible and baptism then why did you come, read it and take time to make sure everyone can see what you think?

If you don't like baptism don't think about it

I've come to put a light on ignorance. I was a believer for 10 years and have read the Bible front to back and back to front. What kind of God would want someone to sacrifice their child? Not a fair and just God. Also why did God not know where Adam was in the garden? I thought he was omniscient. Apparently not. Thirdly why would a God require we be submersed in water?