Harvard Neurosurgeon Confirms The Afterlife Exists

a reply to: elementalgrove

Interesting that science is now showing interest in something that has been a fact since men first appeared as an intelligent species in earth.

As one of those people that had a near death experience I know what is on the other side.

And hell is nothing but a religious base scaremongering to keep the believers hook on salvation by the Church.

I lost my fear of death, now I am waiting patiently and willingly when my time in this life ends.

Meanwhile I also enjoying my earthy life until that day comes.

Human life is just a stepping stone the soul is eternal

originally posted by: SaturnFX

originally posted by: Specimen
Does a Christian and atheist still get to see the white light at the end of the tunnel,

yes.
thats the optic nerves shutting down. you get tunnel vision, light becomes blurry and just white and as your eyes shut down more, it becomes more and more tunneled (making you feel you are zooming to the white light)
thats science..is that always the case? well who knows, but that specific thing is known as a physical reaction to a brain shutting down..(going into conservation mode)

does the Christian get to see an old guy with a beard and a halo.
And what does an atheist see, bunch a math equations, or the other guy down below? Or does God personally greet them, with a V.I.P pass.

Thats when you default back to the spirituality 101 I suppose. you get the environment that is comfortable to you and your views in life.
If you're a christian, meeting christ, some angels, loved ones, etc would be ready for you.
Atheists have a mixed view..some atheists were theists first and so end up having a quasi-religious experience based on their childhood views, whereas others have talked about mostly just a waking up experience and it being more a realization we are these super advanced beings of energy verses the primate..we are basically bodysnatchers riding the human like a horse.
according to spiritualists and such, most high level animals are inhabited..dolphins, monkeys, etc. not sure about things like ants and stuff though..seems like such a tiny existance. In saying that, ants have purpose, they get drunk, have partys almost nightly, etc...fun nature facts.

What about someone who blind, and eyes or brain never seen what light or colours look like and have perception other then sensory like touch, taste, smell, and sound. Would they see it too?

nde's of people who never had or lost senses say they had them back, and more.
whats odd is sometimes people with nde's seem to lose some senses, and are then replaced with other senses they find trouble in explaining.

interesting stuff anyhow, almost a lore behind it now with all the accounts.
I wonder how much of it is real...guess we will all know one day (unfortunately)

Yea, lets hope that day won't come for a long time for many, but it interesting.

Did someone watch a rerun of Flatliners?

NDE's
Past Lives
Paranormal activity (no, not the films)

..... I believe our mind has power. Power beyond what we can achieve in this life. Perhaps our bodies are holding us back. I truly believe we are more than just a sack of bones, blood and organs. I know we are.... yes, know. I've had my own experiences.

I think people get hung up on "why do you think you're (we're) so special" ..... The fact that we're having these conversations about possible life after death, who we are, why we are here, where we come from and where we go. That sets us apart. We're an interesting species and we know so little about our own being.

Also, remember the soul weighs, on average, 21 grams

a reply to: elementalgrove

During his coma he experienced a vivid journey into what he knew to be the afterlife, visiting both heavenly and not so heavenly realms.

The thing with the passing from this existence to the next is...
1. Coming back from it only tends to suggest.
2. Entering such with no return can never be experienced here in this physical existence.

I have no doubt whatsoever that there is a passing from this life to the next. These are, IMESHO, biologic robots we inhabit and are here as - basically - toddlers in a nursery... gaining our first learning of being alive.

Of course, being as immature a species as we are, denial is the better course because it removes any responsibility from what one does. We're just evolutionary critters and when we die, we just die.
((((Poof!))))

Nice post
S&F

The Dr. Eben Alexander story is probably one of the best I heard of. It also sounds reasonable for the most part, e.g. where he mentions himself being a "single point of existence", a point of awareness, like a raindrop in a sea.... or the time he spent in the "darkness", before he was "beamed up" by god. He described a dark environment where he saw brown, darkred veins or so. Whatever this was, it was interesting... and maybe something which most people would expect after dying.

Apart from this I also read many stories about near-death experiences (on the near-death website) trying to figure out a system or pattern within them. If there was an afterlife, every experience should have something in common. But the truth is, many people have different NDE. Despite I'm still a believer in this afterlife. My explanation for these inconsistencies is this: after you die, you'll first end up in your own personal heaven or hell. Your own purgatory. At least for a certain amount of time (which can be longer or shorter depending on you). After that you'll eventually come to higher plains... maybe this is the place where people talk of, the marvellous landscapes, trees, flowers, paradise, infinity, flying in the univese as an orb or whatever. So maybe the afterlife is 2 stages, and some NDE only describe the 1st stage, while others also accessed the 2nd stage. Yet I'm just speculating...

Btw. thx@yosako for mentioning the pre-birth-memories website. I didn't know about this. Actually I find it also disturbing that in some cases the souls are forced to incarnate on earth. I mean... wth? If this is true, where is the free will? Do we really need to incarnate on earth and experience all this sh#t? A soul can certainly grow without all these pain and sufferings on earth. Or not? What's the purpose of it? To learn the difference between Good and Bad??

a reply to: anotherdaytoday

no,no,no.no.. this is so wrong in so many aspects..

Here is an interesting read for those of you that understand Remote Viewing.

The Moment JFK Died: Remote Viewing the Afterlife

Daz Smith sets out on an incredible journey as he works a blind remote-viewing target for the Farsight Institute. He's told nothing more than "this is target 14-A," but finds himself witnessing the John F. Kennedy assassination, and Kennedy's transformation at his moment of physical death. This video gives an inside look at the remote-viewing process and a dramatic example of where it can take you.

farsight.org...

Enjoy.

I think its all rubbish (Afterlife). We want to believe because if we don't. This is all we get.

I have always been somewhat skeptic about the theory of there being an afterlife (even though I was raised Christian and grew up believing in heaven & hell etc.). It definitely adds a lot of weight to the theory with a Neurosurgeons own experience brought into it.

I guess time will tell if we'll ever find real evidence of an afterlife. Maybe more neurosurgeons/neuroscientists in the future may encounter NDE's and be able to tell their story, if they have one.

a reply to: MrConspiracy

That experiment to weigh the soul (i.e. the physical body is 21 grams lighter) is proven nonsense.

originally posted by: Ben2522
I think its all rubbish (Afterlife). We want to believe because if we don't. This is all we get.

If you consider it, a very large part of the world population are terrified that once they die, they will be tortured eternally for stepping out of line.
I think for many, a cynical, dismissive view would be a dramatic improvement for their mental health. Religion tends to make you go insane.

In regards to the reality of continued existance after life..well, if there is, then we have to accept we came here for a reason, and I wouldn't think the major reason is to sit around concerned too much about once life is over..its like going to a theme park to sit on a bench thinking about home the whole time, and missing the rides.

But of course that is bound to happen anyhow, especially if you dont really remember where you live.

a reply to: Ben2522

Well, I don't know for sure, but I'm guessing the ancient Egyptians, Tibetans and Buddhists didn't devote 30-45 days of their lives after a loved ones death to prayer. meditation and guidance just because they were in between NFL seasons.

But the nays are free to do as they will. In the meantime, I wonder how vulnerable we moderns are to our immediate post-death states, when we have no process, or language for it.

In other words -- a Harvard PhD is fine for telling us what many already suspect, but offers no guidance as to what the experience beyond death -- if any -- entails, or requires from us.

It's something to ponder, anyway.

"No one knows what's beyond, without the machinery of the mind and body." ....

Riiiight... Except for astral projectors, remote viewers, and precognitives.

Except astral projectors, remote viewers, and precognitives.

originally posted by: BarefootInWinter
I don't know what to think because I have never experienced it. It is like God...you can read all you want and make any conclusions based on everything available to study. The thing is, until you have a personal experience with God, you can't really "know." I will read the full article and probably reply more. S+ F until I get a few minutes! Thanks for the cool link!

The human communications means requires finite snapshots, or a series of them, depicting contents within space engaging over time. The Presence is a timeless existence beyond and under spatial dimensions. The instant you take a snapshot of the Presence with your mind to attempt to convert it into a human communications means that process contaminates and destroys the integrity of the value. Humans use metaphors in words, music and art hoping others that constantly See the Presence understand the author does too. There are millions that have been brave enough to open that Door.

Here is another angle on this subject:

www.collective-evolution.com...

I read Eben's book and I have to say it was a compelling read.

originally posted by: elementalgrove
What a great article this is!

What a crock!
The Faithless can never get enough 'compost' to feed their belief infection!

Just pathetic!

"Nothing is easier than self-deceit. For what each man wishes, that he also believes to be true." - Demosthenes

Sorry about the reality bite, 'believers'!

Another completely Daft article.

I guess if you believe in the simple life and death scenario, you believe in this (I read it somewhere) -

If there is no eternity then we can only pretend that life has purpose—whether through religion or philosophy or politics—but it’s all about as substantial as a Hollywood movie. So grab a box of popcorn and have another drink, for all is temporal. What meant something yesterday means nothing today. And for those who are suffering, they are just terribly unlucky. Life is a game of play-pretend, narrated by a narcissist, full of noise and violence, giving significance to nothing