Libertarian Gary Johnson in double digits in race against Hillary Clinton, Donald Trump: poll

Instead, they fall head over heals for the exact opposite: Donald J. Trump.

They didn't (at least the party leaders). They included him originally to make Jeb look good by comparison. Boy did they miscalculate THAT one. They still thought they could win with Rubio, until Super Tuesday woke them back up to reality.

Then, they were stuck. (They still are).

a reply to: Boadicea

At the "I Side With" website, Johnson has more than 90% support from Libertarian voters for the Libertarian candidates. They also have a nifty quiz for identifying the candidate you most agree with.

Well thanks for the link to the quiz. It's pretty involved, so I believe the results are relatively accurate.

It shows that I'm closest to Bernie in most of my political positions. I think that's probably because of my position on healthcare. Which is based purely on personal experience, and ignores my general political leanings.

My number 3 candidate is Johnson. Trump is dead last.

Depending on how things shape up, Johnson may get my vote anyway.

-dex

a reply to: DexterRiley

Well thanks for the link to the quiz. It's pretty involved, so I believe the results are relatively accurate.

You're welcome -- glad you liked it! I like the variety of options for answers. Most polls usually provide just two or three possible answers and they're almost never my answers. That's one reason I don't trust polls. I think most folks are far more thoughtful and nuanced.

a reply to: Boadicea

You're welcome -- glad you liked it! I like the variety of options for answers. Most polls usually provide just two or three possible answers and they're almost never my answers. That's one reason I don't trust polls. I think most folks are far more thoughtful and nuanced.

Yeah, it was pretty cool. It took a while to answer all of the questions. I did the same thing as you by selecting from the extended choices. A simple YES or NO answer is almost never an adequate choice because there are always certain nuances that have to be taken into consideration. That was one of the things that impressed me about this quiz.

I'll have to say that I think of myself considerably more centrist than what the quiz revealed. But, as I said before, that's probably because of my views on government healthcare. Which is based on some really bad experiences that I've had over the years with health insurance companies.

The quiz showed that my political views aligned with Hillary as my number 2. But my extreme dislike for her as a person will make it nauseatingly difficult for me to vote for her. It's nice to see that Johnson is my number 3 with only an 8% difference between him and Bernie. So he's definitely in the running for my vote.


-dex

This is the guy I want in there.

he needs 15% in 5 polls to get into the general election debates.

He'll need to peel off more dems. pot should bring quite a few in.

I don't think libertarians can build the size of voters needed with their current platform. I think if they came out against open borders they could have a chance. they do not have the right set to build up a large base. I say this as a libertarian myself.

ideally clinton goes to prison and its trump v johnson and johnson wins.

I, too, voted for him last go round. I will again, in all likelihood, this time 'round.

But the Green Party has some interesting notions worthy of being, at the least, listened to.

A ticket with Johnson and Stein on it, however unlikely, would certainly perk up my interest--higher than it is already.

I ended up having to vote for Johnson in 2012 because after all the effort, my state didn't even allow me to write in Ron Paul.

Johnson has very similar views as Ron Paul and I would love to see him get more support. He won't be elected though, too many people are buying into "democratic" Socialist Bernie or Hollywood drama king Billionare Trump.

Very few people are paying attention anymore, or doing their own research. We live in a country of band-wagoners and know-it-alls who actually have no clue whatsoever. Brainwashed people everywhere.

It's frustrating because it's not going to stop, and people are just becoming dumber and dumber.. SO maybe it's a good thing a trainwreck is coming. We need a collapse, desperately, period. Let it fall!

originally posted by: jellyrev
he needs 15% in 5 polls to get into the general election debates.

He'll need to peel off more dems. pot should bring quite a few in.

Eleven percent is a darn good start! I'm ashamed to say now that I didn't expect this much... but I'm definitely encouraged with this poll.

I don't think libertarians can build the size of voters needed with their current platform. I think if they came out against open borders they could have a chance. they do not have the right set to build up a large base. I say this as a libertarian myself.

I have to agree they can do better. I'm registered independent, but if I had to pick a party, it would be Libertarian. But I agree they cannot win with their current platform. My biggest problem with the party's platform is that while it's all well and good to rein in Big Fed Gov, but in too many ways they offer nothing to replace it -- except a huge vacuum rife for even greater corruption and exploitation. In some ways, instead of promoting rights and protections and local controls for a free people, they offer a free-for-all -- including an open border.

ideally clinton goes to prison and its trump v johnson and johnson wins.

I like that scenario... but in the ideal scenario, I don't care how it happens as long as Johnson wins!

a reply to: DexterRiley

I'll have to say that I think of myself considerably more centrist than what the quiz revealed. But, as I said before, that's probably because of my views on government healthcare. Which is based on some really bad experiences that I've had over the years with health insurance companies.

I can see how that could happen. Any/every poll has its limits. I think as more and more people have their own bad experiences with insurance companies and other health-related fields -- especially Obamacare -- that may change.

originally posted by: seagull
I, too, voted for him last go round. I will again, in all likelihood, this time 'round.

But the Green Party has some interesting notions worthy of being, at the least, listened to.

A ticket with Johnson and Stein on it, however unlikely, would certainly perk up my interest--higher than it is already.

I'd love to see a Johnson/Stein ticket too! That would sure shake things up. I think it would have a darn good chance of winning too -- at least with the voters. They've already worked together in legal efforts to get third parties included in the presidential debates... that's a good start. Who knows? It's early in the crazy season... anything can happen.

For people that keep saying well he cant win... thats not the point, 5% in a presidential election gets them federal money, and into the debates by law. Once they have someone that isnt a bought and paid for hack (republicans and democrats) people will start to hear some real ideas.

Folks are already upset, they just need more information for the change to truly start...

I wish him the best, Ill be voting Veterans party, but if we dont break the 5% thresh hold and the libertarians do Ill be thrilled.

originally posted by: Wookiep

Very few people are paying attention anymore, or doing their own research. We live in a country of band-wagoners and know-it-alls who actually have no clue whatsoever. Brainwashed people everywhere.

Pretty sad, eh? I blame ego. Too many folks just want that echo chamber. Don't want to discuss or debate the issues, don't want to explore different ideas or perspectives, don't want to expand their own perspective or horizons... they like the echo chamber.

But not all of us!!! We've just gotta work smarter and harder...

It's frustrating... SO maybe it's a good thing a trainwreck is coming. We need a collapse, desperately, period. Let it fall!

Yeah, I do think things have to get worse before they get better. Unfortunately. Sometimes folks do have to hit rock bottom before they understand what they really need to do better.

originally posted by: Irishhaf
For people that keep saying well he cant win... thats not the point, 5% in a presidential election gets them federal money, and into the debates by law.

Yes -- Thank you! That's how it's done!!! We can be the change that we want to see if we're willing to do what it takes... and voting for a third party is a pretty darn simple thing for anyone to do!

Once they have someone that isnt a bought and paid for hack (republicans and democrats) people will start to hear some real ideas.

Folks are already upset, they just need more information for the change to truly start...

Exactly. As the poll states, only a quarter of those polled knew enough about Johnson to have an opinion, but of those half preferred Johnson. Get Johnson's name out there, educate folks about his experience and his positions, and the rest will take care of itself. People are ready and raring to vote rogue, and Johnson would appeal to the many -- if not most -- of them.

I wish him the best, Ill be voting Veterans party, but if we dont break the 5% thresh hold and the libertarians do Ill be thrilled.

I can second that! I'll be absolutely over the top if BOTH top the 5% threshhold -- and any other third party!

Johnson is for bare bones, constitutional government while Stein is for BIG government controlling everything. They are not going to be on a ticket together. Is Stein going to become a Libertarian or is Johnson going to be BIG government? That's the only way and that won't happen. Wake up people. It's just like people who say they were for Ron Paul 4 years ago but now they are for Bernie. You must just go by the feel of it because if you were paying attention and being honest, you cannot support both.

a reply to: Blueracer

Johnson is for bare bones, constitutional government while Stein is for BIG government controlling everything. They are not going to be on a ticket together. Is Stein going to become a Libertarian or is Johnson going to be BIG government? That's the only way and that won't happen. Wake up people. It's just like people who say they were for Ron Paul 4 years ago but now they are for Bernie. You must just go by the feel of it because if you were paying attention and being honest, you cannot support both.

I see your point... in THIS paradigm. But the point of a Johnson/Stein ticket is to create a new paradigm. Johnson is for bare bones constitutional FEDERAL government; the state and local levels are an entirely different situation, in accordance with the 9th and 10th Amendments which reserve those powers and rights NOT enumerated in the Constitution to the states and the people. Jill Stein wants the government to protect and promote the interests of the people, which includes protecting and promoting the best ecological and environmental practices. The two are not mutually exclusive.

I didn't think I had to spell it out but okay. Johnson is for constitutional FEDERAL government while Stein wants BIG FEDERAL government controlling everything. So which is it? Who will give up on what they believe in and join the other side so that your fantasy ticket can become reality? And IF that ever happened, wouldn't it lose the attraction (for you) that it had?

a reply to: Irishhaf

It's time, and past, for there to be a third, or even more, party(s). If for no other reason then to be able to vote a single issue, if that's your preference.

It's going to happen, it's only a matter of time. Now is that time within my lifetime...? I don't know.

More and more of us are getting fed up with the same ol', same ol' the two major parties regurgitate during every election cycle.

The more of us that vote independent, obviously, the faster it'll happen.

originally posted by: seagull
a reply to: Irishhaf

It's time, and past, for there to be a third, or even more, party(s). If for no other reason then to be able to vote a single issue, if that's your preference.

It's going to happen, it's only a matter of time. Now is that time within my lifetime...? I don't know.

More and more of us are getting fed up with the same ol', same ol' the two major parties regurgitate during every election cycle.

The more of us that vote independent, obviously, the faster it'll happen.

I agree. I would be willing to get behind a candidate that I do not completely agree with if we could shake-up the system a bit.

Bernie doesn't have a chance, Trump is just trolling the GOP, Hillary and the rest of the GOP candidates are not really all that much different from one another, except for rhetoric, and reasonable people like Johnson are left in the wind.

Hell, Kasich is a reasonable man and I would vote for him if he were on a third party ticket. Men like him are a good compromise to move the nation forward.

a reply to: introvert

Yes the GOP is imploding like I have predicted.

Soon the GOP will rob Trump and give the nomination to Cruz commit a political "belly cutting" and push the libertarian party into the fore front.

Hillary rigging the election with "superdelegates" and screwing Bernie will cause democrats to leave the party.

Trump's rhetoric will highlight the fact that the Libertarian Party welcomes Latinos,Blacks,Whites,Rich,Poor,Asians,Mixed people,Trans-gendered people,Gay people,Women,Disabled,Veteran,Middle class,Hindus,Indians,Buddhists,Christians,Jews,Muslims,Atheists,Agnostics,etc with open arms and minimal government.