One Gospel, one Kingdom.

a reply to: Jonbet

It was not Chronot.

My bad. I had to go back and check my ATS arguments again.

I got Ch0naut mixed up with another poster named "Chester". So sorry Ch0naut, and everyone else. Ch0nuat is no ChesterJohn!

a reply to: windword

Ahh, you are a skilled detective.

I researched this subject once and I was shocked by what I learned.

Below are a few of the results...

originally posted by: Nichiren
Jesus was a 'Judean', not a Jew. During His lifetime, no persons were described as "Jews" anywhere. That fact is supported by theology, history and science. In none of the manuscripts of the original Old or New Testament was Jesus described or referred to as a "Jew". The term originated in the late eighteenth century as an abbreviation of the term Judean and refers to a resident of Judea without regard to race or religion, just as the term "Texan" signifies a person living in Texas.

In spite of the powerful propaganda effort of the so-called "Jews", they have been unable to prove in recorded history that there is one record, prior to that period, of a race religion or nationality, referred to as "Jew". The religious sect in Judea, in the time of Jesus, to which self-styled "Jews" today refer to as "Jews", were known as "Pharisees". "Judaism" today and "Pharisaism" in the time of Jesus are the same. Jesus abhorred and denounced "Pharisaism"; hence the words, "Woe unto you Scribes and Pharisees, Hypocrites, Ye Serpents, Ye Generation of Vipers".

originally posted by: sweftl337
The word “Jew” never existed in Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic and Jesus spoke mostly Greek and Aramaic. First of all, if we go back some 2000 years, there were no Jews. There was a land known as “Judea” and in that land lived many different peoples. The people of Moses were the Hebrew Israelites – there was no Jew.

“Judaism as we know it today did not exist before Christ. Before Christ, there was only the faith of the Israelites, until by a gradual process, the pure faith of the Israelites was subverted by corrupt teachings. These corrupt teachings were transmitted orally by the Pharisees. Christ condemned these teachings when calling them the ‘traditions of the elders.’”

Judaism Discovered

"The first time Jews are mentioned in the Bible, is in II Kings 16:6 (and then only in translations revised in the eighteenth century) where we find Israel was at war with the Jews and drove the Jews from Elath.

Isn't it interesting that we can read over five hundred pages of the Bible before we find a Jew anywhere, yet those who call themselves Jew today claim the first five books of the bible and call it their Torah. Do you not find it rather strange that those who claim to have written the first five books of the Bible and call themselves Jew, can't find the word Jew written anywhere in the book they call their own bible, and claim to have written?

It wasn't until the revised editions of the King James Bible, that the word Jew appeared. The word Jew does not mean Israel or Israelite! We must conclude therefore that the first "Jews" were Canaanite-Edomite-Hittite. It is certain, according to the Bible, that Jews are not Israel."

Who was the First Jew?

In summing up his findings, Henry Ford stated, "The Jews are not the Chosen People, though practically the entire Church has succumbed to the propaganda which declares them to be so." Ford's book caused a furor for a few years but soon disappeared from colleges, universities, and public libraries and became unobtainable at any price.

The Churches continued to teach "The Jews are God's Chosen People, Israel," and the (by then) Jewish-dominated news media began to refer to Jews always as Israelites. Anyone opposing the increasing Jewish control of the nations was immediately branded "anti-Semitic;" and Jewish dominated Seminaries taught new ministers to quote Genesis 12:1-3 and sternly warn their flocks that anyone speaking unfavorably of the Jews would be "cursed by God." Jewish control of American society, politics, and religions continued to increase.

Absolute Proof More Modern Jews Not Biblical Israelites

originally posted by: sweftl337
Years later, the translators of the Bible needed to come up with a word for the people of Judea and so they used “Jew” to replace “Judeans”. There is no longer any Judea (as a land) so around the time of Shakespeare; we see the first English translation of the word “Jew”. Today we have the people of the book of Moses and/or the Zohar and Talmud and we refer to them as “Jews” but in reality, there are few Israelites (by blood) today, unless we are referring to the Muslims in that area today. Judaism is not a race – but a religion, although the Rabbis who sit very comfortably with the Monsignors at the center who control Zionism, will tell you the lie that the Jews are a “race”. Yes, today we have an interesting situation where the Zionists (mostly white skinned Jews) claim they are a race and are somehow entitled to Palestine. Many will go so far as to take DNA samples to prove their blood connection to the Israelites but I’d like to ask these people, if they have ever wondered what it means to be called a “Racist”?

Reply to Murgatroid..

Unfortunately the majority of Christian teachers are ignorant concerning judaism.
I wish Michael Hoffman's research was required study for anyone professing to be a follower of Christ.

a reply to: Murgatroid

I couldn't agree more.

I think Jesus was actually an Essene, a sect of religious Judeans I guess we will call them.

Historically, the Pharisees were not as bad as the New Testament would have you believe. They were seperatists and the name derives from Parsees, Persian Zoroastrians. Zoroastrianism is not a bad religion at all and the only really bad thing about Rabbinical Judaism is the Talmud. I can't say for sure but it is supposedly a really racist collection of books that are now superior to the Tanakh.

But the Zohar is actually a pretty good read, and is the part of Judaism that is based off Zoroastrianism, the Kabbalah.

I don't know if all Talmudic Jews are Kabbalist and vice versa.

I know they definitely have no claim to Israel that is legitimate, but Christianity is so Zionist that nobody cares about the Palestinians.

a reply to: MrBlaq

Absolutely correct...

A bitter pill for most to swallow I know but ignorance is all a part of the plan.

The easiest way to bring down a house is to discredit it from within.

My conclusion is that the vast majority of what you see coming out of mainstream religious circles is lies.

The Vatican has infiltrated, or neutered and spayed, virtually every denomination and organization in Christendom. Various means have been used, but Opus Dei has played a major role in this. Virtually 100% of the world's seminaries are in the pocket of the Roman Whore in that they use her Bible via the Alexandrian Gnostic Greek texts.

I am fully persuaded that Opus Dei and the Jesuits have already planted many of their agents in Baptist and Fundamental churches and schools. I am convinced that many Fundamental Baptist churches are NOW pastored by Jesuits and Opus Dei agents.

OPUS DEI-- War on Protestantism

"Today the religions of the world remain a major tool of the Illuminati agenda. They maintain the climate of unquestioning, unthinking, ignorance, and their pseudo-morality provides a veil of hypocrisy, behind which the most sickening abuse of children can be hidden."

"Some of the most famous church "leaders" and evangelists on the planet are Illuminati operatives who use religion to manipulate and brain-wash their followers while engaging in Satanic rituals that beggar belief."

"But the mass of unthinking followers in any religion are merely the fodder and the screen behind which the real business goes on." Link

In the late forties the Illuminati wanted to infiltrate the churches because they understood the power of God within the structure of the church, and they had to find a way to infiltrate the church to break down that spiritual strength within the church, the power of the holy spirit that works within the church. They had to find a way to infiltrate that, and they wanted to bring the world into the churches so that the churches wouldn't be so strong spiritually. That was part of my father's job.

The method the illuminati used to infiltrate the organized church

...the goal is to infiltrate it with their compromising philosophies and attempt to destroy the Church from within."

"What if there were people within the various Churches of God who covertly were guiding the members to slowly accept new ideas which are alien to the true faith and who were dedicated to destroying that faith at all costs?" JESUIT-JEDI MINDTRICKS

In his work, Mastral tells the infiltration of Satanists in the Christian, whether in churches, in hospital chaplaincy in evangelical seminaries or colleges. The objective of these leaks would weaken the Christian work, through seduction, slander and incantations.

Being that it was because of one of these infiltrations, which Mastral have been converted to the Gospel and been freed from alleged Brotherhood, six years after his admission, by the hands of the "Pr Brinti ", whose real name is Pastor Luiz Zitti (in memoriam), who was then pastor of the Baptist church Morumbi.

Link is Dead - Google it

a reply to: Murgatroid

Yeah, Jesuits are like the intelligence branch of Catholicism and basically control the Church.

a reply to: Jonbet

I am convinced that it's just another cult.

The entire agenda behind all cults is to deceive and discredit the truth.

For that reason alone I wouldn't touch the Zohar with someone else's ten foot pole.

The Zohar is straight from Hell, as are the false religions of Kabbalism and Mormonism that are largely derived from it. ALL cults base their final authority upon something other than God's Word. The Mormon cult uses the Book of Mormon. The Jehovah Witnesses cult uses the writings of the Watchtower Society. The Christian Science cult uses the writings of Mary Baker Eddy. The Seventh-Day Adventists cult uses the writings of Ellen G. White. The Scientology cult uses the writings of L. Ron Hubbard. And the Kabbalah cult uses the Zohar.

Joseph Smith and Kabbalah

a reply to: Woodcarver

Don't worry he has at least 20 other ATS user names and yes it is him. Known also as Gnosisisfatih, yesterday he was known as Mazini and a few days before that he had another name. He gets banned every other week and bounces back saying he is new. But takes up the same defence where the others unvolutarily leave off.

I stand by the facts that there are three distinct Gospels presented at differing times for different dispensations.

Just use your Bible search program and observe what was required.

Gospel of the kingdom, taught by John the baptist, Jesus and the 12 to Israel only from Matthew to Acts 10 where peter was cut off. It primary doctrines are established in Matthew and continue unto Acts 10. If one follows this they are commanded to keep the commandments given by Moses and sin no more, it required they believe Jesus is the son of David to rule the nations, the Son of God, and the Messiah, then they would receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. Paul never taught this message.

Gospel of the Grace of God, taught by Paul, Barnabas, Timothy unto ALL men during this current dispensation which will end when the body of Christ is gathered unto Christ in the clouds, and the wicked is revealed. The 12 never taught this. The gospel of the grace is by faith alone on the work of Christ cross. No law needs to be followed and one is baptised into Christ by the Holy Ghost and kept there unto the day their body is redeemed off the earth.

The Gospel of the kingdom will then be reimplemented as God renews his program with Israel with the doctrines for the tribulation being laid out in Hebrews and covers through unto the Angel appears and proclaims the Everlasting Gospel. Neither the 12 nor Paul taught this one.

The Everlasting Gospel is very simple to understand as it has very few requirements to follow it. Men are to fear God and give him glory if they do they will come into the kingdom on earth under Israel and ruled by Jesus for 1,000. They will have to maintain their faith by works unto the Great white Throne Judgement where they and unbelievers will be judged by the books.

READ the Bible everyday for 20 years and you will know these things to be true. But read it through once and you know nothing of them and will stumble at the words of men and follow doctrines that are not found in scriptures.

You can believe JobBet/Mazini/ . . . . Gnosisisfaith or you can believe the Bible. the choice is clear.

I am neither a prophet or a son of a prophet but you see JonBet is banned because he is not who he says he is.

a reply to: Lucid Lunacy

Reading comprehension is not strong with this one.

The ability to express yourself precisely you're not an A-grade student in, I assume. This can be missunderstood very easily, companiero:

Thankfully our civilized World knows better to give power to people like you that believe in it, and that people opposing it should be silenced.

And again you expressed yourself like a wishi-washi-don't-know-what-to-say guy:

Okay Good. I don't wan't either of us to! I don't want your religious leaders to ever be put in political power to make strides in that direction! Many of them want that...

I don't have a "religious leader" and I thank Joe Pesci for that.

Anyways, I agree Jesus wouldn't necessarily agree to theocracy just like he wouldn't necessarily agree to churches. None of that garbage was a part of his life or his direct actions.

That's what I beliefe/assume also.



(Siehst du...war doch gar nicht so schimm, oder?)

a reply to: Murgatroid

Kabbalah has cults, like the one Maddona is in. But to compare it to Scientology is unfair. Many teachings of the Zohar and the Kabbalah are just a form of mysticism. Plenty of Kabbalists are good people who don't seek to harm anyone.

But I am not a Kabbalist so maybe I am wrong.

The Zohar is only a book of interpretations of the Tanakh. I have read a good portion and while some of it was pro-Jewish, it is a Jewish book.

It's not an evil book. I would be more concerned with the Talmud. But, I am definitely not sympathetic to Zionism or pro Israel and your posts, however disturbing, a very true in regards to Jews.

Anyone who believes that there is a difference in Christianity between Jews and Gentiles in regards to salvation has a very different message than Jesus and Paul. Both state that there is no distinction. That means that every letter of every word of every book applies to every Christian equally. There isn't a single reason to believe that certain teachings are for Israel and certain teachings are for Gentiles. 

What a rotten thought.

Anyone who thinks this must not be reading the bible.

a reply to: ChesterJohn



I completely agree that there is no difference between Jew and Gentile as far as the way to salvation in the Dispensation that we are currently living in.

Jesus, Himself, stated the "Work of the Father" that must be done to achieve eternal life. "Believe in the One He has sent".

Jesus also stated that Abraham and the others "Looked forward to My day". They were trusting that the Father would send the Promised One - promised since the Garden.

Each of those 3 "Dispensations" that CJ outlines above has that same requirement for salvation.
The Pre-Pentecost era needed to look forward to the Coming One.
The Post-Pentecost to Rapture era needs to trust in the One He has sent.
The Kingdom era will need to look to the One that was sent and Obey Him as King ruling them from Mt Zion.


In the Pre-Cross (and I believe up to 40 days afterwards), Jesus was presenting the promised Kingdom to Israel. He stated that He was not sent to the Gentiles but to the Lost Sheep of Israel. Matt 15:24 Israel rejected Him (not surprise to anybody), and that changed His focus. Therefore, since the Cross Jesus is calling out a Bride for Himself from the world - both the Gentiles and the Jews.

There will come a time where the Kingdom will be offered again to Israel - after they call out "Blessed is the One who comes in the name of the Lord."

a reply to: RandallB

Jesus didn't say that about the lost sheep and change his mind because he got rejected, he knew before he got here he would be rejected and killed by some Jews.

Lost sheep refers to the lost tribes and that could mean just about anyone.

But I agree that there is one plan for Jew and Gentile alike. I think just about anyone who has ever read the bible believes that.

What kind of person would think salvation is race related?

a reply to: ChesterJohn

No you are wrong. One flock, one shepherd is pretty clear.


One flock = one Kingdom
One shepherd= Jesus

There is absolutely no reason to believe that Jews have a different Gospel than Gentiles. That is plain crap and a the Gospel is for all. And there is one way.


That is called reading something that isn't there. Even Paul said there is no distinction between Jew and Gentile.

So no distinction no need for seperate plans for salvation.

Salvation is the same for everyone.

a reply to: ChesterJohn

You have a very flawed opinion on biblical interpretation and most of what you say is a complete mess of nonsense. You take a simple message of salvation and turn it into a jumble of misinterpretation.

Best of luck with your flawed opinion. You are a pseudo-theologian inventing doctrines based off your personal misunderstanding of the fundamental lessons of Jesus. I suspect you haven't received the Holy Spirit.

a reply to: AngraMainyu
welcome back Jonbet/mazini how long will you be with us we will just wait and see.

Jesus sent the twelve to only Israel

Matthew 10:5, 6These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Jesus himself said his ministry was unto the twelve but he also have exception to the rule because salvation cometh from the Jew as he told the woman at the well. [quore] Matthew 15:23, 24 But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us. But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Jesus prepared his people Israel for the kingdom al the doctrines for that are set up in Matthew.

a reply to: AngraMainyu/Jonbet

Go and read y ou Bible and come back after youa re familiar with it enough to quote it and not depend on your opinions