I solved the immigration issue.

originally posted by: onequestion

originally posted by: Metallicus
a reply to: onequestion

This doesn't really solve the immigration problem as the only problem I have with immigration is ILLEGAL immigration. If people come to our country legally and want to organize and work for higher wages then more power to them, but to come into this country illegally in the first place means we get a class of people that aren't vetted and lack the necessities of legal citizenship.

It solves it by removing lobbyist incentive to allow it to continue.

Okay, that actually does make some sense.

I didn't fully understand your original idea...my apologies.

a reply to: Metallicus

It's ok that's what discussion is about!

a reply to: camain

Next build a base In Antartica, a nice fortified air strip, and set them free there to go live there life as they see fit. There are some really nice areas down there In The spring and summer that they can utilize to build themselves a nice country. Next any illegal caught, automatically gets sent there. Anyone that can manage to somehow come back, whallah, send them back there.

Im not paying for this, and sure as hell not voting for someone who would.

Kudos for the idea tho!

a reply to: frostie

Costs are negligible, most of the base could be built out of ice. Maybe put a nice iglo up teach them how to make their own igloo's. What else could they possible need. Give them the education to build their igloo, give them the tools to build it nice. What other nation would give them a home for free with a wonderful northern view. Just imagine seeing the southern lights. They'd love it.

a reply to: frostie

Jobs like....

Carpentry, masonry, plumbing, painting, landscaping, trim, cabinetry, siding etc.

Right?

Because that's just some of the areas they have infiltrated and brought the pay scale down dramatically in.

I have a better idea.

1. Lets rework our trade deals in a way that it incentivises large companies to bring back jobs from over seas.

2. Lock the southern border down as tight as if it were the border to Iran.

3. Give illegals that have no felony convections, drug charges or violent crime charges a chance at amnesty. The (use-to-be) illegals would be absorbed into the system as an addition to the work force and the pay scales will rise back to normal.

If BOTH one and two aren't implemented then it wont work.

Find me a Country where the Potential Migrants thought process on emigrating to their destination begins with "What can I do for this new Country to make myself a good Investment for it" and I will start to think maybe these migrants aren't just a pack of free-loading quitters wanting to get something for nothing and laze around all day smoking and plotting against it.

I say we invade Mexico again and once we win we can tell all the illegals "here is a brand new territory of the US just for you to colonize".
Or would that be too confusing for them?

a reply to: Alien Abduct

The trades have been decimated between ilegals and the housing crash.

originally posted by: BatheInTheFountain
I have a better solution.

Implement the laws we have, build a wall, raid businesses, fine them heavily, deport any caught in the web, get in the BACK of the line....have a nice day.

Nice but I'd make it 10yrs before they could get in the back of the line.

Can't we just grab the signs that the cheating Democrats placed all over central America, pointing them north, then keep on redirecting them to Canada?

NO, need more voters, nevermind.

a reply to: onequestion

Basically what you're saying is that we should Educate Illegal Immigrants so they will become conscious, productive, citizens instead of cheap, ignorant, slaves to the system.

I personally think it's a very interesting idea and inspiring as well.

But it's also a very socialist idea that you're going to catch massive amounts of hell for bring up on ATS from the Conservatives.

But don't let that stop you.

a reply to: mOjOm

Yes exactly.

I'm not worried about what they think. I'll listen to it and take it in but this idea is solid and in sticking with it.

a reply to: onequestion

LOL You really think we'd be teaching them about organizing and labor rights? I'm guessing you've never taken the time to look into the labor rights activists in Latin America? Or their labor rights activists right here in America, like the late Cesar Chavez? They've been fighting against plantation labor, union-busting, and worker exploitation longer than we've both been alive. And one major part of the US's foreign policy in Latin America has been to crush those movements.

Ever heard of the Banana Wars? Or Haiti's revolution that saw its slave population kick out its Western businesses and cronies? Or that pesky thing called the "Cold War", which included Latin America's pro-labor Communists fighting off the pro-capitalist, central banker backed right wing factions that the US trained at "The School of the Americas"? Cuba is a perfect example of the working class uniting to kick out the foreign businesses that exploited them.

Just for the record, the hammer and sickle that represent communism represent the factory workers (the hammer) and field workers/farmers (the sickle). Communism is literally the organizing and empowerment of the working class taken to the theoretical max (aka, "taken to the literal extreme"). So are you really advocating that?

And believe it or not, a lot of the poor immigrants who come to the US are actually pro-capitalist. To compare scenarios, it could be like if Canada had a $40/hr federal minimum wage, but it's businesses were willing to pay undocumented Americans $22/hr. How many Americans do you think would capitalize on that situation?

a reply to: enlightenedservant

I disagree with most of what you said especially the communism part I don't think an empowered workforce equals communism.

I think tons of Americans would jump at the chance immediately.

What do you think Canada's solution would be?

originally posted by: onequestion
a reply to: enlightenedservant

I disagree with most of what you said especially the communism part I don't think an empowered workforce equals communism.

I think tons of Americans would jump at the chance immediately.

That's literally what communism is. Like literally. And when it's applied to government, it includes a special council of pro-working class people who create all of the rules for society like a dictatorship. Each form of communism calls this council something different, Lenin's form of communism being perhaps the best example (or Ethiopia's ruling council called the Derg). It's literally empowering the working class to the theoretical extreme, and forcing all resources to be shared equally among the working class population (with the council and its departments getting the best perks first, of course). That's why I'm socialist & not communist.

And of course many American workers would jump at the opportunity. But we wouldn't go to Canada and try to change their rules unless we were trying to stay permanently. The ones who are just looking for better economic opportunities would just sneak in, make as much as they could, send back what they could, and then leave when the opportunities dried up (or when they were deported).

That's exactly the scenario we're seeing with the poor undocumented workers here. Of course, there are many different types of immigrants, including refugees and workers on work visas. But I'm referring to the poor workers since that seems to be what your OP was about.

Edit: Canada's a lot different from us politically, so I don't know. Though I'm sure some parts of their working class would be against the hiring of cheap undocumented workers, especially if it drove down the overall wages. But we might have to ask some of the Canadian members for info on that.