Obama visit Castro in La Havana: A Presidential Pardon to a convicted Terrorist?

The Peace of God to all that belong to the Light,
Dear Readers,

We all are familiar with the Presidential Pardon that was granted about a month after his resignation from power to former President Richard M. Nixon, invoking the best National interest by President Gerald Ford in September of 1974. Today is a Historic day as well, President Barack Obama travels to La Havana, only decades ahead of this moment Historians are going to be able to evaluate in all its appropriate dimension if this is a great achievement or a terrible political mistake.

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Today my prayers are for a happy outcome of the first visit in almost a Century of a USA President to Cuba. Such a positive outcome only can be if real changes occur in the Island in the direction toward Democracy.

I hope President Obama understands that this is a real risky action, Nixon did something similar in 1973 in his Historic Trip to Beijing, and certainly a lot of political reforms came after in China, leaded by Deng Xiao Ping, but that country is still under communism after close to 50 years, has taken absolute control over our public finances and has tremendous wait even in our private ones and has sucked almost all the industrial capital of America.

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Fidel Castro-Ruz started his career to power Not in 1950's as today many believe, and he didn't switch from nationalism to Marxism pushed by the pressure of the Eisenhower administration as now others claim.

Fidel Castro was in his twenties a mixture of Communism and Fascism during late 1940s and he was responsible of a Terrible Terrorist Attack to Colombia, the eldest democracy in the continent, that boosted a civil war in that country. April 9th of 1948 is for Colombians what September 11th 0f 2001 is for Americans.

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Around 7000 people died on the turmoil of 9 days after the Assassination of Jorge E. Gaitan, Leader of the LIberal Party, exactly after he had an Interview with the Cuban Student leaders Fidel Castro-Ruz and Rafael del Pino.

20 blocks of the most important official buildings of downtown of the Colombian Capital were completely destroyed by fire, included the residence of the President and the National Capitol, 157 buildings in the downtown area suffering serious damage, 103 of these were a total loss.

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What caused a Terrorist Attack of such Magnitude in Bogota that date? The answer is the signing of the Bogota Carta, the document through which the ASO (OEA) was created as a common front for Democracy in the Americas.

The international Communist movement as well as the Argentinean Fascist regime of Juan Domingo Peron immediately realized that such a Treaty was against their interests, so they hired and sponsored Castro to boycott the 2nd Pan-American Conference.

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El Bogotazo triggered a civil war of 6 years that took the lives of 200000 Colombians, that is known as La Violencia. Colombia suffered a lot of damage in its economy and a lot of violation of human rights during it.

El Bogotazo Terrorist Attack Triggered La Violencia Civil War

The legacy of such terrible conflict was the creation of the FARC, a terrorist subversive organization that still exist in Colombia and it is responsible of thousands of crimes against Humanity. en.wikipedia.org...

On April 9th of 1948 Jorge E Gaitan, Principal Leader of the Majoritarian Liberal Party, former Presidential Candidate( 1946), former Education Minister (1940) and Labor Minister (1943–1944), mayor of Bogotá (1936), was assassinated by Juan Roa-Sierra a man with fascist ideology that was seen in companion with Fidel Castro just less than an hour before the crime took place.

The assassin didn't survive, he was killed by the riots that followed.

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If Colombians that suffered the horrible drama of the attack of April 9th 1948 would be alive they by sure will consider the generous gesture of today from President Obama highly controversial, the same possibly may think President John F Kennedy who clearly stated in 1962 that any attack from a totalitarian alien force to any democratic country of the continent was equivalent to a direct aggression against the USA.

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The thread is opened for the free discussion , please remain in topic and posting with absolute respect to the norms of decorum and mutual respect in the communication in the forum, no personal attacks please, lets try to be objective all the time.

Thanks for your attention,

The Angel of Lightness

a reply to: The angel of light
Whatever one thinks of Castro, he has not been "convicted" of or being charged with a crime under American law, so a formal pardon is not applicable to the situation.

originally posted by: DISRAELI
a reply to: The angel of light
Whatever one thinks of Castro, he has not been "convicted" of or being charged with a crime under American law, so a formal pardon is not applicable to the situation.

That plus he's meeting with Raul not Fidel.


Skips away la la la

Wrong again, it was the other side not Obama who quickly flew the terrorist bin-Laden family out of the country after 9/11. Why does the right continually accuse the left of what they, themselves are doing?

originally posted by: Sillyolme

originally posted by: DISRAELI
a reply to: The angel of light
Whatever one thinks of Castro, he has not been "convicted" of or being charged with a crime under American law, so a formal pardon is not applicable to the situation.

That plus he's meeting with Raul not Fidel.


Skips away la la la

I hope that you did not trip over the massive rug that you so coyly(?) tried to hide this Cuban fiasco under. The thread is about just another of dozens of Obama's ways of thumbing his nose at all Americans.

This thread contains more info in it about the activities communists south of our borders than most readers have ever known and will ever know.

Dont write Fidel and Raul.Castro off as terrorist just because of US propaganda and misinformation.

Watch this documentary with Fidel, and you may have a much different opinion about him.

originally posted by: Aliensun

originally posted by: Sillyolme

originally posted by: DISRAELI
a reply to: The angel of light
Whatever one thinks of Castro, he has not been "convicted" of or being charged with a crime under American law, so a formal pardon is not applicable to the situation.

That plus he's meeting with Raul not Fidel.


Skips away la la la

I hope that you did not trip over the massive rug that you so coyly(?) tried to hide this Cuban fiasco under. The thread is about just another of dozens of Obama's ways of thumbing his nose at all Americans.

This thread contains more info in it about the activities communists south of our borders than most readers have ever known and will ever know.

That is complete nonsense. The American people support opening ties to Cuba. How is Obama thumbing his nose at American by doing what they want? And you really do not want to start talking about actions south of the border because the Communist only came to power and had any influence in Central and South America because the US already had long history of supporting brutal dictators something that continued until the end of the Cold War. The US was responsible for Castro taking power in Cuba to begin with.

a reply to: DISRAELI

Your comment made my day, I sincerely appreciate it, it made me laugh a lot at first glance.

That The Castros were never charged of nothing??!!

I respectfully suggest you to check clearly October 22nd of
1962, to see that you are quite wrong, and their crime was against National security of the USA.

President John F. Kennedy: This Government, as promised, has maintained the closest surveillance of the Soviet military buildup on the island of Cuba. Within the past week, unmistakable evidence has
established the fact that a series of offensive missile sites is now in preparation on that imprisoned island. The purpose of these bases can be none other than to provide
a nuclear strike capability against the Western Hemisphere.

Upon receiving the first preliminary hard information of this nature last Tuesday morning at 9 A.M., I directed that our surveillance be stepped up. And having now confirmed
and completed our evaluation of the evidence and our decision on a course of action, this Government feels obliged to report this new crisis to you in fullest detail.

The characteristics of these new missile sites indicate two distinct types of installations. Several of them include medium range ballistic missiles, capable of carrying a
nuclear warhead for a distance of more than 1,000 nautical miles. Each of these missiles, in short, is capable of striking Washington, D. C., the Panama Canal, Cape Canaveral,
Mexico City, or any other city in the southeastern part of the United States, in Central America, or in the Caribbean area.

Additional sites not yet completed appear to be designed for intermediate range ballistic missiles -- capable of traveling more than twice as far -- and thus capable of striking
most of the major cities in the Western Hemisphere, ranging as far north as Hudson Bay, Canada, and as far south as Lima, Peru. In addition, jet bombers, capable of carrying
nuclear weapons, are now being uncrated and assembled in Cuba, while the necessary air bases are being prepared.

In addition jet bombers capable of carrying nuclear weapons are now being on creating and assambling in Cuba for the necessary air bases that are being prepared.

President Kennedy in his Historic speech about the Crisis of missiles in Cuba 1962 clearly pointed not only against Fidel Castro, but his entire government, that his brother Raul Castro was a very important member of. Moreover, He also clearly stated what international laws and agreements were gravely violated by the Cuban Regime on the crisis that was taken place.

President John F. Kennedy: This urgent transformation of Cuba into an important strategic base -- by the presence of these large, long-range, and clearly offensive weapons of sudden mass destruction --
constitutes an explicit threat to the peace and security of all the Americas, in flagrant and deliberate defiance of the Rio Pact of 1947, the traditions of this nation and hemisphere,
the joint resolution of the 87th Congress, the Charter of the United Nations, and my own public warnings to the Soviets on September 4 and 13.

Pls check:

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Thanks for your interesting reply,

The Angel of Lightness

a reply to: The angel of light

So out of both of your ramblings....I mean posts....on this subject, you have yet to point out that he was convicted. There is no mention ANYWHERE of him being convicted.

I'd also like to note that you have said, in more than one thread, that someone said something or had done something that they haven't. You sir, are a liar.

a reply to: The angel of light
That complaint was not a legal charge in a court. It was a public announcement as part of an international dispute, which can only be settled by diplomacy or war.
No legal action was taking place in a court with jurisdiction over the leader of another country.

If you had talked about "forgiveness", I would not have quarrelled with your wording.
But the idea of a formal "presidential pardon" was out of place, because American courts did not convict him, and did not have the power to convict him, of any crime.
"Presidential pardon" is a legal term which belongs in legal situations.
International politics is not a legal situation.

a reply to: Aliensun

You know what they say about opinions right. Ok good.

So Americans dont want relations to be normalized? as for the terrorists in Cuba well they can be easily moved elsewhere.

a reply to: jrod

Sorry, but this is not Anti Castro Propaganda, are actual facts and were uncover by serious criminal investigation carried out by Colombian Authorities, as well as with intelligence collaboration of Scotland Yard, to determine that Fidel Castro was indeed behind the assassination of the Liberal Politician Jorge E. Gaitan on April 9th 1948 in Bogota.

Thomas E Dewey, 1948 GOP nominee: "If the United States had the adequate intelligence service it should, it would have known about Communist plans for the Bogotá uprising in advance. Knowing what goes on in the world is just as important as knowing how to handle it. The Panama Canal is vital to our security. Yet because of the dreadful incompetence of our present government, we apparently had no idea what was going on in a country just two hours bombing time from the Panama Canal.

It is true that CIA carried out their own investigation and they arrived to exactly the same conclusions, but who else was going to win nothing in to boycott the Panamerican Conference? Juan Domingo Peron, who in part sponsor Castro, needed to prevent that the American Embargo against him became a continental one, and the International Communist organization also needed badly to stop a unified front against them in the Americas.

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Castro then played simultaneously in two teams , both under totalitarian ideologies, at the same time: Latin-American Marxism and Peronism( Argentinian Nazism). It is not a coincidence that about 40 years after the Bogotazo Castro made friendship with another South American Dictator: Hugo Chavez.


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Also American independent Press carried out their own investigation and found Castro presence in Bogota on that same week impossible to don't be linked on such Terrorist attack.

The following is from a New York Times editorial (April 14), 1948:
"Backing up the findings of the Colombian Government, Secretary of State Marshall and other delegates to the Inter-American Conference have now likewise accused Soviet Russia, and its tool, international communism, of instigating the riots that wrecked Bogotá and cast a pall over the whole Western Hemisphere. Basing their judgment on first-hand information and personal observation on the spot, they see in the tragic events which interrupted their deliberations the same powers and patterns at work as in the attempted insurrections in France and Italy. And that makes Bogotá, as Mr. Marshall said, not merely a Colombian or Latin American incident but a world affair, and a particularly lurid illustration of the length to which Russia is willing to go in its no longer (cold war) against the democracies."

Please check:

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Thanks for your attention,

The Angel of Lightness

a reply to: The angel of light

Still doesn't say he was convicted of anything.

Are you sure you meant convicted?

originally posted by: TaleDawn
as for the terrorists in Cuba well they can be easily moved elsewhere.

They're closing Guantanamo?

a reply to: TerryDon79

Dear TerryDon79,

If Colombians that suffered the horrible drama of the Terrorist attack of April 9th 1948 on downtown of Sta Fe de Bogota, would be still alive they by sure should consider the generous gesture of today from President Obama highly controversial.

It is not that is bad to have any improvement in the bilateral relationships, provided that help to boost democratic changes in Cuba. No that is not the point, is that why A President of the USA is with his presence in that island today giving full recognition to a regime that has conspired along so many years against the national security of America and many other nations in this continent? that is what is extremely grave.

The same possibly might be the thought of President John F Kennedy if he would be still alive to see this Presidential trip to Cuba, since he clearly stated in 1962 that any attack from a totalitarian alien force to any democratic country of the continent was equivalent to a direct aggression against the USA.

JFK on the Crisis of Missiles in Cuba,

Third: It shall be the policy of this Nation to regard any nuclear missile launched from Cuba against any nation in the
Western Hemisphere as an attack ... on the United States, requiring a full retaliatory response ...

The USSR no longer exist anymore, but their partner in such clear clandestine plot against the security of many nations on this continent still exist politically and we are giving today to that regime with this visit full recognition, at Presidential level.

Why this visit was not preceded by multiple visits before by the State Secretary or any other functionaries of that department, why the President must do this?

Thanks,

The Angel of Lightness

a reply to: The angel of light

So where does any of that say he was convicted?

You said he was convicted. You've replied to people with other information, yet you have still failed to show where he has been convicted.

a reply to: The angel of light

Why this visit was not preceded by multiple visits before by the State Secretary or any other functionaries of that department, why the President must do this?

That, sir, is an excellent question. Maybe he was counting JayZ and Beyonce as his preceding functionaries.

Why did the Pope go there a few weeks ago just before heading into Mexico? Something is up.

a reply to: TerryDon79

Fidel Castro was charged and convicted for his involvement in Terrorist activity on the situation generated in April 9th 1948 under Colombian Law.

As a matter of fact He spent months in Colombian jails expurgating a sentence that however is nothing if we consider the damage that the country suffered under his plot.

Castro was always smart enough to try to go around the evidence against him and blame others of the most crucial aspects of his crimes in order to reduce his responsibility on them.

Besides that since he is the illegitimate son of a very Rich Cuban business man, A Spanish immigrant to Cuba, he had high qualified legal advising to defend him, so he got
the penalty of permanent expulsion from Colombia, that in his case lasted for 50 years, in exchange for years in prison there.

That was the second time he was also arrested, charged and convicted in something illegal in the same year, since he also took part in a subversive action in Dominican Republic in the beginning of 1948, that failed dramatically.

Castro had in power along many years good ties with two Fascist regimes, apart of all his support from the Soviet Block: The Spain of Francisco Franco and the Argentina of Juan D. Peron.

As President Kennedy said in 1962 any sudden attack from a totalitarian enemy regime or force carried out in this hemisphere is also an aggression against the USA.

While the first images of President Obama, that also brought his entire family to La Havana as taking part on a happy picnic in the Caribbean, to this so controversial political trip, it is difficult to don't listen in the collective memory the echo of the Historic words of President Kennedy warning us from 54 years ago, that this Castros' is a clearly so much distrustful enemy regime against America.

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John F Kennedy, October 22nd 1962: Many times in the past, the Cuban people have risen to throw out tyrants who destroyed their liberty. And I have no doubt that most Cubans today look forward to the time when they will be truly free--free from foreign domination, free to choose their own leaders, free to select their own system, free to own their own land, free to speak and write and worship without fear or degradation. And then shall Cuba be welcomed back to the society of free nations and to the associations of this hemisphere.

Thanks,

The Angel of Lightness

originally posted by: The angel of light
As President Kennedy said in 1962 any sudden attack from a totalitarian enemy regime or force carried out in this hemisphere is also an aggression against the USA.

Thanks,

The Angel of Lightness

I see what you are saying but a president just saying something doesn't make it law. That's where this falls flat.