Trump: If He Wins - What's the Worst Case Scenario?

originally posted by: MoonNova
a reply to: Krazysh0t

I dont expect you to understand. Trump is rich. Very rich. He is an outside to the elite that control the world through money and he will save america with the wall and figuring out the muslims. We need need to stop being unfair to him. Especially the media, the media is very unfair to him. He doesnt know everything yet. He will though, when it comes to a time for that to be important.

Trump managed to bankrupt a casino. Truly he isn't that good with money. Not even that rich.

He just has a gift to sell dreams to the plebs and use it to manipulate them. It helps he's talking to them like 4th graders

originally posted by: AlmostRoseyWhat is truthfully the outcome for the US - and the world at large - IF Trump wins?

Worst case? If Trump is the Monster the left and the media want to paint him to be … than worst case nothing much will change politically over the next 4 years before the 2020 elections bring in a new president.

Singularly the President of the US doesn’t have that much power. All the power a president has comes from building consensus among other law makers and politicians and military leaders.

If a Trump President says to his joint chiefs “Those Dam Mexicans; simply will not build that wall I wanted: I want you to bomb them back to the stone age” the joint chiefs will simply say “No Mr President”

Trump can be the Hitler you want him to be all day long; the truth of the matter is the 2016 USA is simply not a 1930’s Germany. So in the end all the talk of Hitler is just the talk of lemmings following the media who is trying to sell a newspaper.

originally posted by: SugarDaddy

originally posted by: MoonNova
a reply to: Krazysh0t

I dont expect you to understand. Trump is rich. Very rich. He is an outside to the elite that control the world through money and he will save america with the wall and figuring out the muslims. We need need to stop being unfair to him. Especially the media, the media is very unfair to him. He doesnt know everything yet. He will though, when it comes to a time for that to be important.

Trump managed to bankrupt a casino. Truly he isn't that good with money. Not even that rich.

There were a number of articles at the time he launched his campaign that showed he would be just as rich today if he'd merely invested his inheritance in an index fund back in the eighties.

originally posted by: MoonNova
a reply to: Krazysh0t

I dont expect you to understand. Trump is rich. Very rich. He is an outside to the elite that control the world through money and he will save america with the wall and figuring out the muslims. We need need to stop being unfair to him. Especially the media, the media is very unfair to him. He doesnt know everything yet. He will though, when it comes to a time for that to be important.

I love this hypocritical narrative. Trump, a billionaire, is somehow considered to be "outside the elite". This despite literally ZERO evidence of this being the case. Hell, Trump has even admitted to dabbling in buying politicians and gaming the system in his favor like the elite do.

PS: Trump's attacks against him are of his own making. The media is treating him as fairly as he deserves. Maybe if he didn't make enemies of everyone, people wouldn't treat him so poorly, but nah that would destroy the mystique that you value so much about him. It's a funny catch-22 where Trump supporters want Trump to be able to dish it out, but NO ONE is allowed to dish it out back to him.

a reply to: PsychoEmperor

Trump is an absolute greed hog. He chose to make his suits in China so he could make billions instead of hundreds of millions.
How much money does one need.

a reply to: AlmostRosey

Trump: If He Wins - What's the Worst Case Scenario?

Worst case scenario:

That Trump actually manages to accomplish everything he says he's going to do when he becomes POTUS.



Scary thoughts indeed.

*shiver*

Trump doesn't want to "Make America great again" ....

Trump wants to "make Trump great again."

He realizes how irrelevant he is these days, how much of a joke he's become with reality TV. He doesn't care about the USA or you and me.

Let's get real. The man has never had to choose between the electric bill or groceries. The man has never had to wonder if he's going to be out of work and have to move. He's never lived in the world that the middle and lower classes have, and doesn't have a clue what life is like for those people.

And he doesn't care, either.

The middle and lower classes in America are simply resources to be extracted. They are dollar signs, potential customers. Someone to exploit and gain from. There's a fine balancing act going on right now: how to squeeze the most wealth and run off with it from the American people without crashing the economy. Trump is, and has been a part of this.

While the wealth is floating to the top faster than it is circulating back down and around, the system is becoming top heavy and the upward movement of wealth is slowing. Fewer people have money. Fewer consumers are spending.

Well, we have to drop prices then! More outsourcing! More sweatshops for cheaper prices!

Fewer jobs at home...less disposable income...fewer customers...

It's an endless cycle that will eventually crash, and Trump is a businessman who has made tens of millions off the backs of the American people and at their expense. He doesn't care about you or I.

When the system can't squeeze anything more from the middle and lower classes, people like Trump will just evacuate to their "castles", mansions, or wealthy pleasure domes. They're already building these types of things in Dubai. Why Dubai?

Could any of us afford plane tickets to Dubai when the system falls apart? Could any of us show up with pitch forks and torches in Dubai when the entire world economy crumbles, leaving only the wealthiest with anything resembling modern society?

So what's the worst that could happen? Just a further escalation of the soon-to-be dystopian future wherein 99% of the people live in abject 3rd world poverty and 1% of the world lives in luxury.

he'll poop his pants during a speech. he might kick me in the shin. worst case is subjective.

originally posted by: MystikMushroom
Trump doesn't want to "Make America great again" ....

Trump wants to "make Trump great again."

He realizes how irrelevant he is these days, how much of a joke he's become with reality TV. He doesn't care about the USA or you and me.

Let's get real. The man has never had to choose between the electric bill or groceries. The man has never had to wonder if he's going to be out of work and have to move. He's never lived in the world that the middle and lower classes have, and doesn't have a clue what life is like for those people.

And he doesn't care, either.

The middle and lower classes in America are simply resources to be extracted. They are dollar signs, potential customers. Someone to exploit and gain from. There's a fine balancing act going on right now: how to squeeze the most wealth and run off with it from the American people without crashing the economy. Trump is, and has been a part of this.

While the wealth is floating to the top faster than it is circulating back down and around, the system is becoming top heavy and the upward movement of wealth is slowing. Fewer people have money. Fewer consumers are spending.

Well, we have to drop prices then! More outsourcing! More sweatshops for cheaper prices!

Fewer jobs at home...less disposable income...fewer customers...

It's an endless cycle that will eventually crash, and Trump is a businessman who has made tens of millions off the backs of the American people and at their expense. He doesn't care about you or I.

When the system can't squeeze anything more from the middle and lower classes, people like Trump will just evacuate to their "castles", mansions, or wealthy pleasure domes. They're already building these types of things in Dubai. Why Dubai?

Could any of us afford plane tickets to Dubai when the system falls apart? Could any of us show up with pitch forks and torches in Dubai when the entire world economy crumbles, leaving only the wealthiest with anything resembling modern society?

So what's the worst that could happen? Just a further escalation of the soon-to-be dystopian future wherein 99% of the people live in abject 3rd world poverty and 1% of the world lives in luxury.

Well when you say it like that; you just make life not fun anymore

a reply to: AlmostRosey

The worst case scenario would absolutely be Trump ends up truly being a wolf in sheep's clothing, and runs the White House identical to the way Obama does it or Hillary would do it. That would be bad... but it would also (hopefully) lead to some major changes across the nation.

a reply to: DanDanDat



It's a pretty bleak future ... but NO CANDIDATE can really stop the train we're on in one or two terms. Not Trump, not Sanders...especially not Hillary.

This top-down approach to change we seem so hell-bent on beliving in is a friggin' fairy tale. It's like asking your boss to take a pay cut and give you a raise. Ha! Like that'll ever happen!

No... top-down change can't and won't work.

We need to be changing our governments first at the city/community level, then the state level. We need to be taking back control and becoming more involved with state legislatures and governors.

If the politicians at the federal level see this, they'll be put on notice that we're making changes -- and those changes are moving upwards. Soon those senate and congressional seats won't seem so safe or assured.

Top down economic theory has failed us, and top-down political change has and will continue to fail us. We're at where we are right now because of the lies sold to us that who we vote into national political office can create the change we desire.

We start at home, in our neighborhoods and our cities first. Then we move to the state capitols. Finally we make our push to the national level with the senate and house of representatives. THAT is how true political revolution will happen and change America, giving it back to the people.

originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: AlmostRosey

The worst case scenario would absolutely be Trump ends up truly being a wolf in sheep's clothing, and runs the White House identical to the way Obama does it or Hillary would do it. That would be bad... but it would also (hopefully) lead to some major changes across the nation.

I'm foreseeing basically a mirror image of Obama's presidency. The Democrats block everything and just switch roles with the Republicans.

What people who don't support Trump worry about are SCOTUS appointments he'll make. We all know Trump's a businessman. No way in hell he'll want to get rid of Citizen's United. If anything corporations will probably grow in strength.

global nuclear war.

originally posted by: MystikMushroom
a reply to: DanDanDat

It's a pretty bleak future ... but NO CANDIDATE can really stop the train we're on in one or two terms. Not Trump, not Sanders...especially not Hillary.

This top-down approach to change we seem so hell-bent on beliving in is a friggin' fairy tale. It's like asking your boss to take a pay cut and give you a raise. Ha! Like that'll ever happen!

No... top-down change can't and won't work.

We need to be changing our governments first at the city/community level, then the state level. We need to be taking back control and becoming more involved with state legislatures and governors.

If the politicians at the federal level see this, they'll be put on notice that we're making changes -- and those changes are moving upwards. Soon those senate and congressional seats won't seem so safe or assured.

Top down economic theory has failed us, and top-down political change has and will continue to fail us. We're at where we are right now because of the lies sold to us that who we vote into national political office can create the change we desire.

We start at home, in our neighborhoods and our cities first. Then we move to the state capitols. Finally we make our push to the national level with the senate and house of representatives. THAT is how true political revolution will happen and change America, giving it back to the people.

That sounds like a lot of work; I'm too comfortable to do all that work with the potential for such little gain. How about we start savings accounts to buy pitchforks and tickets to Dubai; put a little away every week and we will barely notice it.

a reply to: DanDanDat

The thing is, Dubai is in the desert. Can't really survive on the city's outskirts. Probably why they chose it. It's also on the ocean, so boats and barges for supplies can come/go.

It's pretty strategically located when you look at it and picture trying to ride out the downfall of civilization there. They've got desalination plants, plenty of solar power, plenty of fossil fuel nearby...and all surrounded by inhospitable desert.

Makes sense to build your ivory tower there. An oasis that no one can reach when it all crumbles.

originally posted by: MystikMushroom
a reply to: DanDanDat

The thing is, Dubai is in the desert. Can't really survive on the city's outskirts. Probably why they chose it. It's also on the ocean, so boats and barges for supplies can come/go.

It's pretty strategically located when you look at it and picture trying to ride out the downfall of civilization there. They've got desalination plants, plenty of solar power, plenty of fossil fuel nearby...and all surrounded by inhospitable desert.

Makes sense to build your ivory tower there. An oasis that no one can reach when it all crumbles.

But why would you want to “ride out the downfall of civilization”? I mean putting yourself in their shows … what’s in it for them to take such action. In the end it’s a futile existence no matter how much money, water and oil you have. Sure it works in the movies when your elite are paper thin characters; but it’s hard to fit the true human condition into such a one dimensional construct.

Is it greed and power that drives them? Well than how are the elite getting along with each other so swimmingly as to build their micro-utopia? Wouldn’t they all be trying to out greed and power each other to the point that their system brakes down?

Is it lethargy that drives them? Well than how are they so proactive to pull the wool over the eyes of the world?

Is it lack of intelligent and forethought that drives them? I have to believe at least some of the elite are smarter than the average bear.

Worst case scenario....
He may actually get a decent rug on top of his head!

a reply to: MrSpad

As for the OP. Worst case is Trump has no support in either party so nothing happens for 4 years beyond courts revoking every crazy executive order Trump tries to give. With the world opinion of Trump so low China and Russia would make some solid diplomatic advances. And likely Trump would be under impeachment very early on for doing something stupid allowing both parties to move on him. And when Trump never builds a wall, or blocks Muslims etc. which he has hinted is just campaign BS for his supporters he will find those people who were are not the brightest group going crazy calling him a traitor. Likely he would be kicked out before doing to much damage and the US would have to do a lot to salvage its global reputation.

What a wonderfully articulate response Mr. Spad. Thank you.
In the spirit of the what if... category, after doing some due diligence and digging I came to the shocking realization that
(1) all 435 seats in the US House of Representatives are up for re-election
sources:Ballotpedia.org
270towin
wiki
Current make up is 247 Rep/188 Dem ; Rep have 59 seat majority
(2) 34 of the 100 US Senate seats are up for grabs, which are currently held by 24 Rep/10 Dem. The current majority lead is: 54 Rep/44 Dem/2 other; so to swing senate to Dem majority only requires 11 new Dem seats.

So...that means the following has to be kept in mind
(1) depending on the mood of the general populace, the house/senate could swing either way, depending on the voters;
(2) voter turnout is always higher in a POTUS year election & some may just vote straight ticket based on their presidential preferences;
(3) I have not heard a peep in the media about the senate/house races -neither news or ads being run yet --is this usual? can't remember;
(4) this POTUS election is an odd duck year IMO in that there is so much division in the Republican camp, which in a way may reflect the unrest and divisiveness of the gen pop, so much so it may turn out to be the wild card from hell, (much like the Vietnam years) (many years from now maybe we can look back and psychoanalyze the Trump phenomena, but right now I feel we don't have all the facts and that we are still too close to it timewise)

Also,

And likely Trump would be under impeachment very early on for doing something stupid allowing both parties to move on him.

in which case his running mate (VP) will be extremely important; I haven't heard a peep of who this will be; will his choice be a moderating influence or a total radical wild card like Palin??

Bottom line:
If Trump wins then I see alot of graff & cronyism given his shady mafia connections (ie: NY hotels /NJ casino construction = build a big wall construction) ala Cheney/Halliburton and the Iraq War during the Bush years; and with a Supreme Justice seat on the line this is even more disconcerting. I see feminism being given a swift kick in the pants towards the exit given his misogynistic manner toward women, along with any kind of equal rights based on race, religion and sexual orientation.
If voted in with an adversarial Congress (Dem controlled) he may well resort to Bush's & Obama's favorite tool - the executive order - in which case only the court's can strike it down unless it's a major policy change.
According to CNBC

The legislative body is not required to approve any executive order, nor can it overturn an order. The best it can do if it doesn't like an executive order is to pass a law to cut funding for the order's implementation. But even then, the president can veto such a defunding law.....The one sure way of getting rid of an executive order is in the White House. If an administration doesn't like an order from a previous president, it can legally reverse it on its own.

If he gets in with a Rep congress, then they'll all have carte blanche to do as they will, which only God knows what that will be at this point! One thing for certain, Obamacare will get totally gutted.

Flip side: if Clinton gets in she will more than likely carry a Dem congress with her, in which case it will be more of the status quo, biz as usual. She may even be able to take a stab at balancing our horrendous budget like old Bill did

(Bill) Clinton submitted a balanced budget for 1999, three years ahead of schedule originally proposed, making it the first time the federal budget had been balanced since 1969.

wiki And if she has an adversarial congress then I feel she has way more political clout and finesse to get things done than Trump will ever have, despite her Bengazi & email fiascos.

In the political arena she's an old dog who knows where all the juicy bones are buried/Trump's just a puppy in the political arena, with no bones, so one has got to wonder who's controlling his training lead/leash. Kinda reminds me of the old movie Homeward Bound: Chance, the unruly puppy = Trump; Shadow, the older, wiser dog = Hillary. How apropos, don't you think? Take a chance and turn everything upside down vs maintain status quo with shadow gov.

It may be that the congress seats up for re-election is collectively holding it's breath to see who will get the nomination for their party in order to attempt to maintain an appearance of a cohesive party line rhetoric in the final run to re-election in Nov. That may be why we haven't seen or heard much about that angle of the election.

Either way it goes, it will be interesting.

AS far as I can tell. There will be three things that will happen.
1. Congress and the Senate will work to together to stop Donald and anything he tries to do.

2. Congress and the Senate will go along with what ever they feel safe in doing. They will still be worried about their political careers.

3. Congress and the Senate will split on helping him and his plans for America.

originally posted by: RAY1990
If he decides to build his wall and if he decides blocking all Muslims so he can "figure out what is going on" I can see the US losing a lot of International goodwill, possible boycotts and tit for tat relations with predominantly Islamic nations.

Honestly, who knows. I'm not sure he knows. I do know he has a tendancy to be a evil piece of crap when he doesn't get his way. Just look at his actions when people haven't sold up when he wants to build golf courses and stuff.

He might go around annexing nations so he can build plazas and hotels.

I have to askk. is it a bad thing to finally have the Muslim countries take a walk off the short peir? Here how you bring them to heel PDQ. Cut off their supplies of water,and food. thats it. they get most of their imports from the US and other countries. SO cut off the fresh water and the fresh fruits. take back all our oil refineries and render them incapable of working. good luck trying to eat and drink sand.