Protester Hit and Kicked at Tucson Trump Rally To Cheering Audience Members

originally posted by: theantediluvian
Just to clear something up. The guy who got beaten up wasn't wearing a hood when it happened. So there go all those "the black guy saw the klan hood and experienced temporary insanity" excuses.

The gal with the hood is right behind him. They're a power couple. I can only imagine if he had punched the woman instead...

If a Trump supporter wore a hood to a Bernie rally and got himself punched, these boards would be awash with "He had it coming".

That said, it looks like the guy was led out in cuffs. I don't really have a problem with that because I don't think you should punch people. Even disgusting ones. But there were certainly aggravating circumstances.

a reply to: RadioRobert

SHHH let him paint the narrative that is most convenient to him. The facts are irrelevant.

Things like integrity and honesty are irrelevant. Our political candidate (who ever) needs our fervor and collective force to silence the opposition.

Its for our own good. They know better than us in regards to the democratic choice of our people.

We have to defend agent provocateurs!!!!!

Well he does. He probably enjoys seeing our country descend into a mass mob mentality. It makes for useful idiots....what he thinks of his own people...

a reply to: tadaman

I had the knife.

I would have used it.

NO ONE has the right to use force and mobs to silence me or otherwise.

You have YET to denounce the tactics being used.

My posting history shows HONESTY and INTEGRITY

I just quoted text where I did earlier as I was denouncing the woman slapping the horse. I denounced the guy grabbing Trump's pant leg too:

"nobody should be attacking anyone at any political rallies and we should universally denounce such behavior regardless of the perpetrator."

Here's some more of me denouncing:

"I fully agree that anyone rushing the stage should be prepared to go to jail and that disruptive people should be removed at the discretion of candidates, their security and authorities. There's no place for attacking anyone at a rally, let alone candidates."

I even expressed support for the possibility of laws against organizing efforts to block access by snagging up tickets to events (same post):

"If the action is organized and violence takes place, it's clearly a form of civil disorder and should be prosecuted under laws covering civil disorder and inciting civil disorder. What's less clear is how to handle what amounts to an organized human denial of service attack on a campaign rally. That is, an organized direct action that is intended to deny attendance to a rally for candidate's supporters by such means as obtaining a large number of the available tickets. My gut tells me that denying supporters access to rallies is a greater harm than that posed by denying detractors access and so I might support some sort of law specifically addressing those kinds of organized actions designed to block access to candidates."

I universally denounce violence in politics bar none.

You can pretend like this is ok. NO ONE agrees with you. You will be hard pressed to find someone are extremist as yourself that thinks ANY MEANS NECESSARY is something we appreciate in a democratic society.

What are you talking about? Please quote. PLEASE. QUOTE. ME. Where I ever said that blocking the road or any of these other tactics were "okay." Ever. Any means necessary seems to be exactly what you are saying:

I have the right to move about my country freely. Get in my way and you may die. Seriously. This is the real world.

Also, who the hell are you to question me and make this issue about me? Passive fascist.

blah blah blah and you're a self deluded fascist who thinks he's some great defender of liberty.

a reply to: tadaman

It is intersting to note that the star spangled bastard was being pushed out by the security woman, while the disgusting klanswoman was not.

It is possible the man was wearing a mask earlier as well.

Unless you have footage of the male agitator documenting his entire tresspassing of the rally, you cannot be certain of the facts.

a reply to: theantediluvian

Oh so you are denouncing these actions??

So am I, yet why are you badgering me making AD HOMINEM attacks while DEFENDING agent provocateurs?

YES I would defend myself in a situation that threatens my survival. STOP making this about me. ANYONE would.

Context sir. I defend myself and my family. That is all I said.

WHY you feel the need to troll me is beyond me.

If you agree with me that these attacks and use of force are horrible then why are you defending these agent provocateurs?

Which you are. Also stop derailing this thread.

They were in the wrong trying to incite racial violence.

Could you be this way because you disagree with my stance in support of A VALID CANDIDATE you dont agree with?

This is YOUR FORM OF DEMOCRACY?

Attack me and badger me well in my right to say what I please? You can too mind you but you arent making an argument. You are attacking me taking words FROM ANOTHER THREAD out of context to paint the narrative here...very dishonest and underhanded.

You have no substance to your argument so you attack me instead of my thoughts.

I am honored that a person with no integrity and sense of honesty is not in agreement with me.

Passive fascist.

blah blah blah

that is how you think you should speak to people you are trying to convince of your ideal?

Sure is working isnt it? How much do you think you guys helped Trump today?

That is why he will win. Blah blah blah indeed.

a reply to: Deny Arrogance

That is retarded. You know that. I dont need omnipresence to make an informed judgement.

I will go with the testimony of HUNDREDS of people who were DIRECT WITNESSES.

Unless you are saying there is some mass conspiracy involving all these people....hence why I say retarded.

originally posted by: Boscowashisnamo

originally posted by: Quantum12
a reply to: Boscowashisnamo

A nice find!

I will say that if I saw someone sporting a Klan hood, yelling epitaphs; or a DB wearing the Nazi uniform my Dad fought against from '43-45, I'd probably be led away in cuffs as well.

Yeah that will show them! Jeez really think about what you are saying. Who the f*ck likes people dressing up as KKK? Nothing justifies cold punching & kicking someone that is walking by you LEAVING and not harming you.

originally posted by: RadioRobert

originally posted by: theantediluvian
Just to clear something up. The guy who got beaten up wasn't wearing a hood when it happened. So there go all those "the black guy saw the klan hood and experienced temporary insanity" excuses.

The gal with the hood is right behind him. They're a power couple. I can only imagine if he had punched the woman instead...

If a Trump supporter wore a hood to a Bernie rally and got himself punched, these boards would be awash with "He had it coming".

That said, it looks like the guy was led out in cuffs. I don't really have a problem with that because I don't think you should punch people. Even disgusting ones. But there were certainly aggravating circumstances.

Nope and Nope. Stop justifying violent actions with what ifs. Excuses and BS spouting. Doesn't matter what rally or whose rally, cold cocking someone is wrong, period. It is never justified unless they're physically threatening someone or they may cause harm to themselves.

a reply to: RadioRobert

The gal with the hood is right behind him. They're a power couple. I can only imagine if he had punched the woman instead...

So we're going to keep moving the goal posts? First he deserved it because he was wearing a hood. Now that he's not shown wearing a hood. He deserved it because SHE was wearing a hood.

If a Trump supporter wore a hood to a Bernie rally and got himself punched, these boards would be awash with "He had it coming".

Nobody has been beaten up at a Bernie rally. Nobody has been beaten up at a Hillary rally. Nobody has been beaten up at Kasich rally. Nobody was beaten up at a Marco Rubio rally or a Jeb Bush rally or a Ben Carson rally. Nobody has even been beaten up at a Ted Cruz rally and this is a man whose buddies advocate stoning gay people to death because it's in the OT.

a reply to: theantediluvian

No one has been beaten up at their rallies because the opposition to them arent sending AGENT PROVOCATEURS you then would defend....blindly

You are being grossly insensitive to what black people feel when a white asshole wears a KKK hood. Which they were. They were promoting racial tensions.

You have NO IDEA what racism feels like and hence dont know what a valid response is.

You are being a jerk to everyone disgusted at racism and their every form of reaction to racism thrown in peoples face. You just crapped on the entire civil rights movement. They should have just accepted the racism and institutionalized discrimination because they werent being violently oppressed. Is that it?

STOP moving the goal posts as well. They were there together and enough of them were WEARING KKK hoods to associate a common thread and group intention.

Unless you are saying he came with his racist girlfriend to support trump and let his people peacefully assemble and was shocked and surprised as to what she was doing....and making black people feel.

You just defended their actions. Hypocrite

a reply to: theantediluvian

Neither Kasich or Cruz are front runners thats why the rainbow coalition isnt protesting them,well Kasich is sponsored by Soros so not him.

originally posted by: blujack21
Nope and Nope. Stop justifying violent actions with what ifs. Excuses and BS spouting. Doesn't matter what rally or whose rally, cold cocking someone is wrong, period. It is never justified unless they're physically threatening someone or they may cause harm to themselves.

I said there were aggravating circumstances. I also explicitly said I don't have a problem with him being cuffed because I didn't think it (violence) was right.

If I go protest downtown and wear a klan hood, I'm just going to assume someone is going to beat me senseless (or worse). That doesn't make violence right, but I think it's predictable. Anyone with half a brain could foresee the potential consequences.

If I leave my car unlocked with the engine running, it's pretty predictable that it might disappear. That doesn't make theft right or justified, it just makes me an idiot for leaving my car in that manner.


Edit: I'm just pointing out that if the situation had been reversed, the narrative from certain quarters would have changed greatly. You can add a "IMO" if you want, but I'm pretty confident that noone would be defending a Trump supporter in a klan hood at some other rally who got himself coldcocked.

a reply to: theantediluvian

No other candidate's supporters, besides Trump's, have been physically attacked and slandered by Sanders' brown shirts, BLM, FTP, occupy or other agitators/rioters tresspasing at their private events.

a reply to: Deny Arrogance

It sort of makes me want to vote for him. Why is EVERYONE so afraid of this guy? And why are the most vocal ones about how awful he'd be for the country the same ones who were telling me how great Obama was going to be? (I still think Trump is an obnoxious blowhard. I don't think I'd give him a primary vote next week, but he'll get my vote in the general before Hillary will).

a reply to: RadioRobert

I dont like Trump anymore than yesterday, but he is the only candidate using the democratic system with hopes of preserving it.

Also the opposition being less than honest makes it impossible to condone their actions.

No one can in good conscience support people making ad hominem attacks and trying to hide the reprehensible actions of those who would use any means necessary.

Trump is this, his supporters are that...NO WHERE do they go after the ideas. Always the people.

Then when their arguments lack substance and they dont convince anyone they resort to force and violence....and the opposition turns a blind eye and even LIES to protect enemies of liberty and our democracy.

Trump 2016

a reply to: tadaman

I will go with the testimony of HUNDREDS of people who were DIRECT WITNESSES.

Where's this testimony of HUNDREDS of DIRECT WITNESSES?

a reply to: tadaman

No one has been beaten up at their rallies because the opposition to them arent sending AGENT PROVOCATEURS you then would defend....blindly

You are being grossly insensitive to what black people feel when a white asshole wears a KKK hood.

You have NO IDEA what racism feels like and hence dont know what a valid response is.

Wouldn't it have just been easier to say, "it's wrong to sucker punch people who are being escorted out of a rally, even if you think they're assholes" instead of whatever that above steaming pile of disingenuous race baiting is?

There's nothing that you can say that is going to justify a guy getting sucker punched and then stomped on by any supporter of any candidate at any rally. Period.

I don't support that at all. I don't support any sort of violence at political rallies.

I also don't support preventing people from going to rallies be it by blocking a highway or by grabbing up blocks of tickets to the rally, etc. I don't support assholes rushing stages and grabbing candidates. I don't support other assholes slapping police horses in or out of crowds. I do support the campaigns' rights to remove disruptive people from rallies.

See how easy that was?

a reply to: theantediluvian

What ever. You pulled some asshole crap going after me. I didnt condone the violence either. You just dont like who I am voting for and since you cant make a logical rebuttal to THE ISSUES you made it about me. Troll on.

But hey enjoy. You just motivated me that much more.

Do you see a pattern?

Thats why he will win.

Keep that play book handy. It is propelling trump to the white house. You can then leave or bitch or what ever you like. I am voting now and am going to be that much more vocal in response. Thank you.

We cant do it without you.

originally posted by: blujack21

originally posted by: Boscowashisnamo

originally posted by: Quantum12
a reply to: Boscowashisnamo

A nice find!

I will say that if I saw someone sporting a Klan hood, yelling epitaphs; or a DB wearing the Nazi uniform my Dad fought against from '43-45, I'd probably be led away in cuffs as well.

Yeah that will show them! Jeez really think about what you are saying. Who the f*ck likes people dressing up as KKK? Nothing justifies cold punching & kicking someone that is walking by you LEAVING and not harming you.

Yea, they were innocents, those 2 instigators. The man was holding up a sign with a picture of the man everyone came to see, with the bottom part of Hitler. His cohort was wearing a KKK-type hood. They were both hurling insults, looking for an altercation, and one of them got it. And what was the woman yelling at the man who threw punches?

Why do people defend 2 instigators like the pair on the video, whose sole purpose is to seek attention and being as disruptive as possible? The outcome could have been much different, but in light of past incidents, did they expect different? I thought about what I said. Did you really watch the videos, both angles?

originally posted by: theantediluvian
Just to clear something up. The guy who got beaten up wasn't wearing a hood when it happened. So there go all those "the black guy saw the klan hood and experienced temporary insanity" excuses.

Thank you

The responses were really pathetic.

a reply to: Annee

How does that take ANYTHING away from the woman? Again, did they arrive separately? Was he there to be productive and she surprised him by becoming a racist caricature?

This is some subtle condoning of racism.

You try being a black person seeing that crap. I cant even begin to imagine what it makes you feel. Thats the point. Unless you are black you will never know. I thought we were supposed to give no quarter to racial insensitivity

There is a motto on this site.....

EDIT TO ADD:
There is an air of "pathetic" you are right.

People who do not agree with you guys are pathetic....nice. That is.....