Adverse reaction to whooping cough, tetanus, diphtheria vaccination.

originally posted by: gmoneystunt

Maybe it doesn't give you the flu but it can make you sick just like the flu.

You have mild malaise and a low grade fever for about a day while you seroconvert. It's not much like the flu.

a reply to: StoutBroux

Tetanus doesn't show up as the wound going bad and you get a shot of clindamycin for it.

It's part of the family that includes gangrene and botulinus. The wound can look just fine, and the first thing you know is, you'll suddenly start getting truly awful muscle spasms. Once you're to the point where you're getting screaming cramps, it's too late.

The ensuing muscle tetany is incredibly painful, can break bones, and is lethal in maybe 20% of cases. They have to basically intubate and paralyze you, while waiting for the tetanus antitoxin and antibiotics to kick in.

The good thing, I suppose, is that if you don't die, there's generally no permanent effects. Generally.

a reply to: Bedlam

You can get fever like symptoms for a few days from the flu shot and the flu itself typically last for a few days. How is that not much like the flu? Example: Piers Morgan claimed he was really sick and lost his voice. Where do you come up with low grade fever for a day? I see mild for a few days. The flu shot doesn't even work all the time.

How soon will I get sick if I am exposed to the flu?

The time from when a person is exposed to flu virus to when symptoms begin is about 1 to 4 days, with an average of about 2 days.

www.cdc.gov...

Side effects of the flu vaccine are generally mild and go away on their own within a few days

www.cdc.gov...

originally posted by: gmoneystunt
a reply to: Bedlam


You can get fever like symptoms for a few days from the flu shot and the flu itself typically last for a few days. How is that not much like the flu? Example: Piers Morgan claimed he was really sick and lost his voice.

Where do you come up with low grade fever for a day? I see mild for a few days.

Because you're conflating fever with side effects.

The flu shot doesn't even work all the time. Most healthy adults may be able to infect other people with the flu after getting the flu shot.

The flu shot is dead virus, you cannot infect anyone with the flu as a consequence of receiving the flu vaccine.

If you don't react to the vaccine whatsoever, you probably were already immune or you didn't seroconvert.

You're also misreading the info you're quoting. "how soon will I get sick" is not the same as "how long WILL I be sick".

The length of an uncomplicated influenza is about a week. You can die from a bad one, however.

originally posted by: Bedlam

originally posted by: gmoneystunt

Maybe it doesn't give you the flu but it can make you sick just like the flu.

You have mild malaise and a low grade fever for about a day while you seroconvert. It's not much like the flu.

Very similar symptoms too.

The most common symptoms of the flu are:
fever (over 100 F)
chills
fatigue
body and muscle aches
loss of appetite
headache
dry cough
sore throat
stuffy nose

www.healthline.com...

Common side effects from the flu shot include:
Soreness, redness, and/or swelling from the shot
Headache
Fever
Nausea
Muscle aches
Fainting (mainly adolescents)
Common side effects from the flu nasal spray vaccine are:
Runny nose
Sore throat
Cough

www.cdc.gov...

a reply to: gmoneystunt

Are you seriously trying to say that actually having influenza and the reaction to the vaccine are co-equivalent?

a reply to: Bedlam

I do see my unintended mislead about how soon will i get sick. Symptoms are still not low grade for a day like you said. Not all flu vaccinations are dead virus. You can die from a flu vaccination too.

Data indicate that both children and adults vaccinated with nasal spray can shed vaccine viruses after vaccination, although in lower amounts than occur typically with shedding of wild-type influenza viruses. Rarely, shed vaccine viruses can be transmitted from vaccine recipients to unvaccinated persons.

www.vaccinationinformationnetwork.com...

It is important to be equally concerned and knowledgeable about the risks of Influenza disease as we are about the risks of influenza vaccine. Both influenza and the influenza vaccine carry risks. Influenza disease has the potential to cause seizures, brain damage, and even death, just as the vaccine can.

www.nvic.org...

originally posted by: Bedlam
a reply to: gmoneystunt

Are you seriously trying to say that actually having influenza and the reaction to the vaccine are co-equivalent?

No, I am showing the similarities between the two. I think your downplaying the side effects of the vaccination

originally posted by: gmoneystunt
a reply to: Bedlam

I do see my unintended mislead about how soon will i get sick. Symptoms are still not low grade for a day like you said. Not all flu vaccinations are dead virus. You can die from a flu vaccination too.

Nasal sprays are live. The sort they inject you with are not. Frankly, I haven't seen the nasal spray sort used anywhere. But your mileage may vary.

originally posted by: gmoneystunt

originally posted by: Bedlam
a reply to: gmoneystunt

Are you seriously trying to say that actually having influenza and the reaction to the vaccine are co-equivalent?

No, I am showing the similarities between the two. I think your downplaying the side effects of the vaccination

I think you've never had the flu, or you'd know the difference. BTW, the symptoms on the 'side effects of a vaccine' list you posted are the same side effects you'll get with ANY vaccine, it's because you are releasing cytokines as your body reacts to the vaccine.

The west is using MKULTRA and other neurological weapons to create dysfunctions into people and then blame those dysfunctions on vaccines! So they get 2 objectives: More dysfunctions caused by MKULTRA and higher death rates, caused by the vaccine scare.

I waited until my son was 6 months old to get his first vaccine. It was the DTaP. That evening he screamed non-stop for about 4 hours. Pain scream. No comforting him. The next morning I reported it to my ped office and the nurse replied fussiness is normal. Sorry, but this went beyond normal fussiness.

It was anecdotal evidence from the internet that made be believe that it was the Pertussis portion of the 3 in 1 that possibly caused brain inflammation. No MRI was done, so there's no way to prove this. Just my theory.

Since then I've gotten all his other vax one at a time to monitor for reactions. He got measles from the MMR. I refuse to give him the DTaP again, and he had no reaction to DT without the Pertussis. He is now 2 years old and we're only one shot away from one of each, then we will start in on booster doses.

Side effects are common and range from mild to severe. And some people are more sensitive to others. I personally think the CDC recommended schedule is ridiculous. Why give a newborn a Hepatitis vaccine if no one in the family has hepatitis?

Anyway, congrats! Sounds like you had a mild to moderate reaction and as long as nothing else crops up you shouldn't have anything to worry about. But this is something to think about when it comes to deciding your baby's vaccine schedule.

a reply to: digital01anarchy

The problem with flu shots is that they only cover certain strains. The vax makers are trying to predict what strains will be more prolific that season. I always got the flu anyway after having the shot, so I just gave up on it.

* I'm not saying the vax GAVE me the flu, just saying that maybe it protected from strain A and I ended up getting strain B anyway.

Basically it's a gamble.

I got one over the weekend,

Mine was different. It was like rocket fuel! I could not sleep. 2 days of about 2 - 3 hours a night at best. I could not eat. Mind racing but going nowhere fast.

Third day, pain in arm and the big crash hit. Stomach issues too. Took the day off work. On the couch, slight fever. Reminded me of being at a rave the night before (like a hangover or caffeine buzz).

Last one was ten or so years ago. I'm anti- every thing: doctors, lawyers, accountants, personal trainers, gravity, vaccines, unicorns, d@mn dirty apes, nukes, #2 pencils,...



But then again that's just me!

originally posted by: ladyvalkyrie
a reply to: digital01anarchy

The problem with flu shots is that they only cover certain strains. The vax makers are trying to predict what strains will be more prolific that season. I always got the flu anyway after having the shot, so I just gave up on it.

* I'm not saying the vax GAVE me the flu, just saying that maybe it protected from strain A and I ended up getting strain B anyway.

Basically it's a gamble.

What, getting the flu?

I've probably had the flu maybe twice in my whole life.
I've definitely not had it since having yearly flu jabs.

Maybe you're confusing a heavy cold with influenza because if you contract influenza you're out of the game completely for a fortnight, not just congested and feverish for a few days.

Oh, I must admit to having an adverse reaction to my last flu jab.
I had a bit of a sore arm for 48 hours.

originally posted by: ladyvalkyrie
I waited until my son was 6 months old to get his first vaccine. It was the DTaP. That evening he screamed non-stop for about 4 hours. Pain scream. No comforting him. The next morning I reported it to my ped office and the nurse replied fussiness is normal. Sorry, but this went beyond normal fussiness.

It was anecdotal evidence from the internet that made be believe that it was the Pertussis portion of the 3 in 1 that possibly caused brain inflammation. No MRI was done, so there's no way to prove this. Just my theory.

Since then I've gotten all his other vax one at a time to monitor for reactions. He got measles from the MMR. I refuse to give him the DTaP again, and he had no reaction to DT without the Pertussis. He is now 2 years old and we're only one shot away from one of each, then we will start in on booster doses.

Side effects are common and range from mild to severe. And some people are more sensitive to others. I personally think the CDC recommended schedule is ridiculous. Why give a newborn a Hepatitis vaccine if no one in the family has hepatitis?

Anyway, congrats! Sounds like you had a mild to moderate reaction and as long as nothing else crops up you shouldn't have anything to worry about. But this is something to think about when it comes to deciding your baby's vaccine schedule.

Fever in babies is common after immunization.
Babies react to fever in slightly different ways but screaming is pretty normal, especially if no fever relief is given.

Whilst it's not overly common, you can contract a very mild case of measles after having the MMR however this only lasts for around a couple of days and the symptoms are quite low-grade. It's not communicable either unlike real measles.

Whilst side effects are common after any vaccine (and any medication come to that), the vast majority are mild and consist of pain around injection site and/or a mild fever/malaise. Moderate reactions are far more rare and severe reactions (i.e. those requiring intense medical intervention or hospitalization) are

originally posted by: Pardon?

originally posted by: ladyvalkyrie
a reply to: digital01anarchy

The problem with flu shots is that they only cover certain strains. The vax makers are trying to predict what strains will be more prolific that season. I always got the flu anyway after having the shot, so I just gave up on it.

* I'm not saying the vax GAVE me the flu, just saying that maybe it protected from strain A and I ended up getting strain B anyway.

Basically it's a gamble.

What, getting the flu?

I've probably had the flu maybe twice in my whole life.
I've definitely not had it since having yearly flu jabs.

Maybe you're confusing a heavy cold with influenza because if you contract influenza you're out of the game completely for a fortnight, not just congested and feverish for a few days.

Oh, I must admit to having an adverse reaction to my last flu jab.
I had a bit of a sore arm for 48 hours.

Yeah, people massively underestimate the flu ("I can't come in to work today, I have the flu"). I've had the flu once.... never again!!!

originally posted by: StoutBroux
I stepped hard on a nail in the barn last week. I've had tetanus shot in the last 15 years I believe. I didn't want one though unless I needed it. I instead went immediately to soak my foot in hot water with a lot of Epsom Salts for one half hour. I then dried it well, put Neosporin on a cotton pad and bandaged my foot. The next day, very little pain in the injury considering the nail imbedded deeply in my foot, I monitored heavily for 3 days and each day my foot was better. So, no, I haven't any adverse reaction because I didn't get a shot.

As you are pregnant, the flu (B virus) is going around like crazy, sounds like your job is very busy and you received a 3 in 1 vaccine, it could be any number of issues related to how you're feeling. There are too many variables in your life to pinpoint to just one being the culprit of your not feeling well. It could have been a catalyst of all that you are dealing with. In and of itself, maybe nothing.

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Hard to say what is going on exactly. If it is a reaction it's pretty mild.

There is a small percentage of the population that can have a weird reaction to a tetanus shot and I am one. In my case, I got the shot and not 40 minutes later, I'm in the middle of the hardware store with my husband, and I feel like I got hit by a bus. It was like the flu. I got a fever of 102 +. I was achy and miserable for 48 hours or so.

They thought I was full of it when we told them at the hospital until the provider looked up my symptoms and realized some people do have this reaction.

I am neither pro, nor anti vax.

But I do push this:

Throw a fit, for anyone getting any type a vaccine. DEMAND that they are given ONE at a time, NOT multiple in one shot. They can do this.

If nothing else, at least you will know for sure what causes a reaction, if it happens.

Personally, I believe it to be safer.

originally posted by: chiefsmom
I am neither pro, nor anti vax.

But I do push this:

Throw a fit, for anyone getting any type a vaccine. DEMAND that they are given ONE at a time, NOT multiple in one shot. They can do this.

If nothing else, at least you will know for sure what causes a reaction, if it happens.

Personally, I believe it to be safer.

And that line is, in a nutshell, why there are so many people questioning vaccinations.
The fact that they BEILIEVE.

Thankfully science doesn't do beliefs else we'd all still be sitting in caves.