2016 Tribute -In memory MAJ Donald Keyhoe NICAP Co-Founder

Firstly a tribute to MAJ Donald Keyhoe formerly of the US Marine Air Corp



He should be credited as one of the first DoD whistle blowers.. whilst doing within the guidelines of his DisemSEC information and perhaps even unwittingly.??

For myself.. personally, I believe MAJ Keyhoe's interview was one oh his greatest and most insightful. Reading between the lines he makes a specific reference to 1947. This interview is taking place in 1958. A time when "The Roswell Incident" was lost or put on back burner of fringe science. It was not until the mid 1980's that the Roswell story revived and regained significance in UFOology.

Below is a fantastic insight into the UFO phenomena of the 1950 era. Personally one of my favorites MAJ. Keyhoe also states that, " COL. D Vandenburg sent a TSec memo to Eisenhower in 1947 stating that "these craft were real and were inter-planetary" direct quote

Enjoy and look forward to both sides of the feedback


I truly hope you find it as insightful and at the same time question provoking.

Side-Note: - MAJ Keyhoe discusses 1947 between the 11.00 and 14.00min timestamp..But not how you may think.

He also describes the beginning of the Canadian "Official Project" and that "after 12 months" the project was shut down due to " budget constraints". However the shutdown also seemed to coincide with a larger than average object detected via gravimeter reading that "flew over the project area".

I postulate that he may have been privy to to sensitive/classified data eta but being unable to breach his Secrecy Agreement may have gone down the civilian path of UFOology. Perhaps some of the possible mis/dis-info projects that have been launched by either side have been in counter to Keyhoe's possible claims or knowledge. However he never broke his classified information agreement. For that he should be regonized.


Please, I look forward to your thought.

I strongly believe for those looking for the truth, the beginning is the beginning, move forward in a linear fashion and follow the path of truth, lies, misinformation and disinformation etc and so -.. on.)


Links - NICAP(Home)
WIKI

Thanks for bringing this. So aggravating to hear Mike Wallace constantly interrupt him and tell the governments version or the Air Forces cover story, repeatedly. Mike Wallace, an official media spokesman for so long in this country, towing the official line, making a mockery of the real reports. Back then the events of Roswell, The Washington Flap and others were fresh in every ones mind, the debate was still in the Public eye. Compare that to today, they don't do segments or interview anyone anymore in the main stream news. Its completely relegated to hoax status, thanks to long term discrediting and ridicule by news celebrities like Mike Wallace.

Thanks a lot, jerk.

Edit:Wiki on Donald Keyhoe

a reply to: intrptr

I know right, He has that condescending tone as well throughout. At times he makes assumptions, and Keyhoe corrects the assumption. However at the time (1957-58) is the viewer - listening to Keyhoe (a relative unknown) or Wallace...

Although I still think the interview made an impact UFO community, but over time. I still believe there were key points to his interview and to his statements that were overlooked.

a reply to: Havick007


One fact about Keyhoe hardly found on Google unless you key it directly in is Keyhoe's Jan. 22, 1958, attempt to tell Americans the truth about the "flying saucers." I, as a young fellow two years out of high school, was hunched in front of our 17" black and white TV on that night awaiting the revelation. The program was the Armstrong Circle Theater.. It had been pre-announced that he was going to tell the public the secret of the mysterious disk (not yet dubbed UFOs). It was a live program. He came on screen and without fanfare started his talk. He barely got started when the sound cut off and then the screen went dark. Soon music sounded and played with a blank screen the balance of the program. No question about it, Keyhoe was censored by NBC. Undoubtedly an Air Force hand was on the kill switch in some fashion.

There was a huge uproar from the disappointed public that had tuned in. The official explanation came from NBC and claimed that Keyhoe had departed from the approved script and the network had no choice but be on the safe side and cut his talk. There has been talk over the years that NICAP was a front doing double duty for the government, and that can even be said about his aborted talk that created a lot of talk but without a single bit of real substance. My personal view is that NICAP, being composed of a lot of concerned retired military officers, was fairly legitimate in its endeavors if somewhat used by TBTB that hold close reins on the entire UFO topic.

It must understand that the UFO situation has to constant;y grow toward a general understanding of the phenomena by the public but done so at a predicable rate as to not cause huge social discourse. Such has been the case.

a reply to: Havick007

However at the time (1957-58) is the viewer - listening to Keyhoe (a relative unknown) or Wallace…

Mm hmm… the people believed the official stories they were told back then more than we do today. Where else were they going to get informed? Wallace covered JFK and Vietnam extensively too. As a child I remember his voice booming the airwaves. He was a bastion, revealing how the main stream news media has always influenced our opinions about the world in which we live. Thanks be to the internet, two way discourse of, by and for the people.

Everyone has access, everyone has a say.

Some of his books were my first read into the ufo phenomena. I decided to start with the earlier works in the genre and progress into the newer works. Flying Saucers From Outer Space, Flying Saucers Are Real, Flying Saucers Top Secret, The Flying Saucer Conspiracy, and Aliens From Space...The Real Story Of Flying Saucers From Outer Space were all good books from someone that was very passionate about the subject. I'm not sure, but I believe one of his books was one of the first e-books offered for free.

a reply to: Havick007

Can't watch I'm afraid.
However, he is a giant in the world of UFOlogy and his hawkish features are a familiar sight to most by now. His quotes and extracts from interviews (maybe even the one above) are on most of the decent UFO films.
I read anything I could get my hands on that he'd written. So long ago now its filed away in my noggin somewhere with all the other books.
His were definitely among the better ones.
I will look forward to seeing further comments.
Cheers.

Certainly one of the important figures in the early days of ufology. .I think, unlike some of the charlatans around these days, that Keyhoe was genuine in his beliefs. There was definitely a cover-up of some sort during his time in the field. The details and the depth of which are still debated now. But at a bare minimum the US military did not want people talking about or spotting 'flying saucers' whilst the threat of nuclear war with the Soviets seemed very possible.

Not sure he was commenting on Roswell specifically in the interview. Here's a snippet of the transcript (the full interview is sourced as well for those without the means or the will to watch the whole interview.)

WALLACE: All right. Now, let's go at it from another point of view, if I may, the Air Force point of view. They agree, undoubtedly, objects have been seen in the sky, but the Air Force has said time and time again --, this is a quote from Richard Horner, assistant secretary of the Air Force for research and development --, "All, but a small percentage of these reports -- of unidentified flying objects -- have been definitely attributed to natural phenomena that are neither mysterious nor dire." End quote. Weather balloons, mirages, ordinary sky phenomena like meteors or airplanes themselves. What about that?

KEYHOE: I'll answer that, but I'd like to make several points in doing it. In 1947, the Air Technical Intelligence Center at Dayton, that's the top Air Force intelligence men and scientists under contract, sent the secret documents to the Commanding General of the Air Force, saying that whatever of these things were, they were real. In 1948, ATIC, the same group, sent a top-secret estimate to the Commanding General, Roy Vandenburg, that these were interplanetary spaceships. ...............


Source : Full transcript of Keyhoe interview with Mike Wallace

There was a lot of sightings after Kenneth Arnold's in June 1947 : www.project1947.com...

However Roswell does not feature much at all in the contemporary reports of the time. But make up your own minds.



ETA: Anyone who wants to read Keyhoe's book then it is available here : Donald Keyhoe - Flying Saucers Are Real (free pdf)

a reply to: mirageman

Nice one.
Will read the transcripts when I get more time. Thanks.
Off topic and a little bit frightening, but judging by a couple of your posts I read in another thread, it appears we are from approximately the same location. My guess is that you're north of me but there won't be many miles in it.
Small world

a reply to: Tulpa

Yep it's entirely possible. There are quite a few of us Brits on here so I wouldn't be surprised! It's a small group of islands we inhabit.

Anyway back to Mr. Keyhoe.

a reply to: Havick007

Nice OP

In my opinion, he embodied the tension between the various interest groups that revolved around UFO sightings reports. He had the credentials to give his views authority and the 'insider' knowledge to support his contentions. Although he was a believer, his position came about from listening to the first-hand accounts of colleagues and other veterans and active servicemen.

Now I know people will argue that 'active' or 'veteran' doesn't amount to 'accurate' or necessarily 'true,' but I can respect the experiences that led him to the conclusions he drew. He was full-on for 'spaceships' and I'm not, but it's easy to see how he got to that point.

There's a popular notion that believers are born credulous so their thoughts aren't rational. That assumption bugs me as much as when skeptics are dismissed like they were born incredulous. Both sides can, sometimes, get to their positions through experience, reading and rational thought.

a reply to: Kandinsky

....I can respect the experiences that led him to the conclusions he drew. He was full-on for 'spaceships' and I'm not, but it's easy to see how he got to that point.

There's a popular notion that believers are born credulous so their thoughts aren't rational. That assumption bugs me as much as when skeptics are dismissed like they were born incredulous. Both sides can, sometimes, get to their positions through experience, reading and rational thought.

I think these are very good points. Keyhoe lived in a time when we had yet to explore the solar system. In 1958 at the time of the Wallace interview even Sputnik hadn't been launched. So given the information he had available ,and the obvious secrecy and manoeuvring of the US military, at that time it could be rationalized that strange unexplained objects in our skies were from the nearby planets.

He was part of ufology at a time when 'Roswell' was nothing but a footnote and before little 'grey' men (as opposed to green ones) and abduction stories. So I can see how he arrived at his conclusions and respect him for it.

a reply to: intrptr

Thank you, for taking the time to peruse the thread.

I have watched this interview many timed and tries to spread it, spark discussion etc.. It is a unique perspective on the perspective of the latter part of the 50's..

The discussion of the "Canadian Official Study" and that after 12 months due budgetary constraints, the "project" was shutdown.


So why in the recent years has the previous Canadian Defense minister been so outspoken about secret projects.


So, officially the Canadian Project was shut down prior to the 60's. ( After a sigificant gravimeter reading..)

a reply to: mirageman

He was part of ufology at a time when 'Roswell' was nothing but a footnote and before little 'grey' men (as opposed to green ones) and abduction stories. So I can see how he arrived at his conclusions and respect him for it.

Yes!, which is exactly why his comment's regarding 1947 are so interesting..

Why was a memo sent stating " That UFO's exist and are of inter-planetary origin.

originally posted by: Havick007
a reply to: mirageman

He was part of ufology at a time when 'Roswell' was nothing but a footnote and before little 'grey' men (as opposed to green ones) and abduction stories. So I can see how he arrived at his conclusions and respect him for it.

Yes!, which is exactly why his comment's regarding 1947 are so interesting..

Why was a memo sent stating " That UFO's exist and are of inter-planetary origin." That is a concise and specific claim for any type of military incident report or intel update.

Something..

significant happened in 1947 to change the status of UFO's from unknown to a threat/exploitation in a technological means... a kinda of Quid pro quo I suppose. One that is horrifying in many ways....

a reply to: Havick007
Or the one from Hoover stating (paraphrased), the army grabbed it and we didn't get to look at it.

a reply to: Havick007

Something.. significant happened in 1947 to change the status of UFO's from unknown to a threat/exploitation in a technological means... a kinda of Quid pro quo I suppose. One that is horrifying in many ways….

I think they started monitoring reports of UFO's after Roswell because they did in fact shoot one down and were concerned that they might came back to get their craft and crew. I also think thats what the "Washington Flap" was, a show of force over the capitol, ratcheted up to a point where the US government submitted (returning the craft and crew) other than have them land on the White house lawn on live TV…

Just a thought I've had lately. Thanks for reminding me I forgot to book mark the Keyhoe interview…

a reply to: Tulpa

Why is it that you are unable to view that clip?

Here is an alternate, this is broken down into 3-parts;



Part-1



I hope you are able to view this clip

a reply to: Kandinsky

There's a popular notion that believers are born credulous so their thoughts aren't rational. That assumption bugs me as much as when skeptics are dismissed like they were born incredulous. Both sides can, sometimes, get to their positions through experience, reading and rational thought.

I understand exactly...