If you were not aware there was really only one political party in the US, you should be now.

Throughout the GOP election of their nominee it has been an amazing thing to watch the party seniors do everything they possibly can to block the clear front runner.

Donald Trump, assuming he holds Missouri will be at about 98% of the delegates he should have at this stage of the race - i.e. 98% on target to hit 1237 delegates.

To put in context how well he is doing against the field, Ted Cruz is at just 54% of where he should be, having massively underperformed in the southern states (despite his hilarious victory speeches).

Kasich is at 25% of where he should be.

projects.fivethirtyeight.com...

It is simply astounding that the GOP are trying to hold down the leader to less than 1237 delegates in order to get to a brokered convention. In so doing they will rip the party apart and hand the election to Clinton.

Well, at first it seems astounding, but then you quickly realise that this is not about Democrat vs. Republican. It is about establishment elites and the rest. Trump is not controlled and therefore the same people who own both parties are working to take him down. If this were not so then Ted Cruz and Kasich would already have dropped out and they would be ensuring Trump got the delegates he needed and the party was in a strong position to win.

At this point the remaining states should be a formality.

It's time for people to cease discussion on Democrat vs Republican. It's an illusion, long speculated, but now surely confirmed.

a reply to: UKTruth

I see a different kind of story being told here.

One that exposes our wonderful PTB sheer genius and well researched social engineering experiment known as the American public.

We have their favorite puppet known to the world as Hillary. Those at the top understood long ago that to ensure her victory there would have to be no kind of threat standing in her way.

For this to happen they would have to put up a special kind of puppet. One who could seek to divide the masses as much as possible and take all previous efforts at social division to a new level. Here comes the uncontrollable Trump!

His marching orders are simple, get out their and unite the fringe aspects of the opposing party. Guarantee him far more media spotlight than a simple minded corrupt businessman could ever rightly so deserve.

Use their other puppets in this game to go along with the whole team against this outsider game and voila, welcome to the 2016 elections.

Using Trump to have the patriots rally behind and gain the courage to be as bigoted as possible and bam we now have our civil war on the horizon.

Playing this scenario out, once old Hillary gets into office you can utilize, the Trumpster battalion to become ever more absurd and blatant in their bigotry. Perhaps even sparking the outgrowth of new Militia groups to defend their ideals.

Once this happens you can safely have the hero named Hillary unleash all of those wonderful Orwellian laws they have spent the past two decades passing! Welcome to the new America!

All the while Trump and Hillary laugh and mock the one chance we had in Bernie!

Or there is the story of the brave Trump, standing up to all the evils of corruption within DC!

a reply to: UKTruth

Trump is not one of the bought and paid for interests, that is true.

He has his own vested interests, his own empire to concern himself with, to act in defence of or skew things in favour of quietly, by the back door.

There is only one crucial difference between Trump, and any of the other candidates. It is not how evil the man is, because all persons who seek power are already corrupted by it, already evil. It is nothing to do with the policies he would enact, because those are mere promises, all to easily broken by egomaniacs, who will justify any behaviour as long as they come up smelling of roses. No, the only difference between Trump and any other candidate, is that Trump does not need to be bought, because he purchased his power with money he did not earn. He is a string puller, not a puppet.

People should not necessarily assume that this is a good thing. The man is so proud of his position in life, that he has fooled himself into believing that he got there by the sweat of his brow, rather than the suffering of others. He will be no better than any other candidate, and because he thinks himself bullet proof, he could be an awful lot worse.

originally posted by: elementalgrove
a reply to: UKTruth

I see a different kind of story being told here.

One that exposes our wonderful PTB sheer genius and well researched social engineering experiment known as the American public.

We have their favorite puppet known to the world as Hillary. Those at the top understood long ago that to ensure her victory there would have to be no kind of threat standing in her way.

For this to happen they would have to put up a special kind of puppet. One who could seek to divide the masses as much as possible and take all previous efforts at social division to a new level. Here comes the uncontrollable Trump!

His marching orders are simple, get out their and unite the fringe aspects of the opposing party. Guarantee him far more media spotlight than a simple minded corrupt businessman could ever rightly so deserve.

Use their other puppets in this game to go along with the whole team against this outsider game and voila, welcome to the 2016 elections.

Using Trump to have the patriots rally behind and gain the courage to be as bigoted as possible and bam we now have our civil war on the horizon.

Playing this scenario out, once old Hillary gets into office you can utilize, the Trumpster battalion to become ever more absurd and blatant in their bigotry. Perhaps even sparking the outgrowth of new Militia groups to defend their ideals.

Once this happens you can safely have the hero named Hillary unleash all of those wonderful Orwellian laws they have spent the past two decades passing! Welcome to the new America!

All the while Trump and Hillary laugh and mock the one chance we had in Bernie!

Or there is the story of the brave Trump, standing up to all the evils of corruption within DC!

Interesting and possible. I think by now though, in this scenario, they would already have ensured Trump actually got elected as the nominee.

I don't think Sanders was ever credible. He can barely get 50% of the Dem vote. A socialist would not play with the conservative voters in the general election.

a reply to: UKTruth

I think that Bernie was campaigning on a very simple message that effects conservatives and liberals alike.

As far as assuring Trump getting the nominee this is irrelevant.

They may even go so far as to give it to say Cruz, regardless of this Trump will simply split the party and Hillary will walk right in to bring about the globalist agenda!

I am still hoping to see 4 parties run, Trump, Sanders, Hillary, and whoever the republicans select.

I think we're missing something important here. Let's assume for a moment that Donald Trump wasn't in this race at all. Let's look back at, say, the last few elections. Like the one where Obama spent more than any candidate ever had on his campaign. If the two parties are both sides of the same coin, why all the money blown down the toilet on advertising? Why try so hard in the race at all?

I think that points at one of two possibilities; either

(1) politicians really DO believe they are standing on one side of the isle or the other, and despite the corruption there IS a point to voting for the end you believe in the most...

OR

(2) assuming politicians really are nearly 100% bought and paid for by corrupt and shady powers, those corrupt and shady powers are literally vying with EACH OTHER from behind the scenes.

Despite the general feeling of sameness candidates from either party display once they're elected, there are fundamental differences. One way or the other, the parties are different, and provide just enough of an incentive, in my opinion, to keep voting.

originally posted by: AshOnMyTomatoes
I think we're missing something important here. Let's assume for a moment that Donald Trump wasn't in this race at all. Let's look back at, say, the last few elections. Like the one where Obama spent more than any candidate ever had on his campaign. If the two parties are both sides of the same coin, why all the money blown down the toilet on advertising? Why try so hard in the race at all?

I think that points at one of two possibilities; either

(1) politicians really DO believe they are standing on one side of the isle or the other, and despite the corruption there IS a point to voting for the end you believe in the most...

OR

(2) assuming politicians really are nearly 100% bought and paid for by corrupt and shady powers, those corrupt and shady powers are literally vying with EACH OTHER from behind the scenes.

Despite the general feeling of sameness candidates from either party display once they're elected, there are fundamental differences. One way or the other, the parties are different, and provide just enough of an incentive, in my opinion, to keep voting.

I would venture to say that the real big money is not being wasted, they own the networks charging the advertising.

One other thing to consider that was mentioned last night.

In order to even be considered for nomination at the convention, a candidate needs to have won the MAJORITY of delegates in 8 states.

Donald Trump has already done this.
Ted Cruz only has 3.

It's going to be even more blatant if they do take this away from Trump now, because they will have to change their rules just before the event. It will be so obvious.

Political debate is lost on me, when I turn it on, I am reminded of the Punch and Judy Show.

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Here's my take on it:

Bill Clinton calls Trump and asks him to run for president in order to steal votes from the other viable candidates. Divide the party. Be as blunt and crazy as he wants. A few days later Trump announces his run for president. Over the course of the next few months he says wild and crazy things. The man acts like a nut.

What happens? It works!! Even Trump is surprised by his popularity. He says crazier things. He gets more popular and his polling rises with each survey done. It seems he can say anything he wants and it won't matter with the people.

Then Trump's ego tells him he can win this thing. Now he's in it for himself, shocking Hillary and the elites who have rigged it for her to win. The elites are now at war with him, doing everything they can to bring him down but it's not working. Trump is winning most of the Super Tuesday states and is on the path to get the Republican nomination.

Now Anonymous is involved. If that doesn't work then they might actually hurt him physically. Hillary will think it's too dangerous to go one-on-one with him, simply because he can't be trusted anymore.

Anyway, that's my take on it.


(I hope nobody hurts him. I may not like the guy but I don't want anything done to him!)

a reply to: UKTruth
It is left for the Republican Party to screw this up.
The people are speaking to them.
They can choose to listen.
If they don't, it should sound the death knell of the party, imo.
Brokered convention or not, if I were Donald Trump (I am not a Trump fan), I would form a new political party, telling his fans (yep, fans... I think that is accurate) that the party has lost touch and has deserted them.

a reply to: UKTruth

Trump is running as a republican -- albeit he has marketed the image of an anti-Establishment party outsider. He's been highly successful using this image, too.

So.....No one else has noticed the two parties and the media have gone above and beyond to help him market that image?

There is one party: the republican-democrat party. Trump belongs to it, Sanders belongs to it. Any thinking to the contrary is due to skillful marketing with a lot of help from the Establishment.

ETA: I also am reluctant to believe the DNC is banking it all on Hillary with her supposedly 'unpredictable' email scandal that could result in an indictment. There's too much money and power to be made from a Sanders administration to count him out yet, IMO.

a reply to: elementalgrove

Right on the money. I have said it before Hillary was chosen in 08.

1. She is to well connected and egotistical to have run a second time without being guaranteed the win.

2. Obamacare:
Obamacare is making way to much money for the lobbyist who put some serious cash and resources in getting it passed to have it repealed.

They need one more Democrat win to solidify obamacare so it can't be repealed or undone. Not just a democrat but one that is purchased and owned by the lobbyist .Its Hillary because she loves Obamacare or as she like to say there was hillarycare before. Bernie also has discussed getting rid of the middle-man who are raking in the money.

The reason they don't want a republican is not because they would repeal it but because it would be easier for the masses to swallow if it was a democrat in office.

What a great premise for discussion.

Granted, this Trump subject has been beaten to death, reanimated, and then beaten to death again, but oh well.

From the perspective of a Texan, foremost, American as an afterthought, this is a great thing to happen to this country. I utterly despise our foreign policy. I despise our domestic policy. I hate the fact that no matter who we vote for, or along whatever party line, nothing improves. It worsens as sure as the sun will rise.

While I appreciate what the OP has illuminated here, it has been hashed and rehashed to the point of irrelevancy. It is a bit sad, but jezus, defending people from themselves is a tiresome chore. It's time to let us, (US), succumb to our own self destruction so that we can rebuild.

This old jacked up Pinto is on it's last leg. It's smoking, rattling, clinking, stuttering and frankly needs to die so that it can be restored to it's quirky but flawed former glory.

It's funny because recently, some girl fought for her "right to die" and all of the bleeding hearts out there were like "yea, she deserves to die with dignity" or some such tripe. Well this country is a bit like that dying girl. Outside opinions, while not unwelcome, are still somewhat irrelevant. We are dying FFS.

It's our monster to put down, or are we the monster? Does it matter?

Caring isn't really an option.

a reply to: UKTruth


To tell the truth, I wonder why there are 2 parties.

I mean, we want the best person for the job, like any other job, right?

I'm an independant and would swing left or right or whatever if I liked the candidate.

But why?

I can see people rooting for a side but if there were no parties and the races were treated like an elimination round or something. I don't know. Superbowl or world series doesn't seem to be what i need for an example.

I mean take away everyones R or D or I and what would be so different than what is going on now?

The problem with the 2 party system is they always talk about the same things that nobody can fix, unless the ultimate problem is fixed. They can talk about their bandaid policies for the economy, job market, social programs, foreign policy, immigration, etc. It really doesn't matter because at the end of the day, its just that "A BANDAID".

If anything is gonna change, corruption will have to be addressed and at least minimized before anything else can be fixed. This is why 2 candidates stick out this election and no matter what the media does, they continue to gather more and more support.

It's all about corruption and the "status quo" that both sides protect at all costs.

originally posted by: amicktd
The problem with the 2 party system is they always talk about the same things that nobody can fix, unless the ultimate problem is fixed. They can talk about their bandaid policies for the economy, job market, social programs, foreign policy, immigration, etc. It really doesn't matter because at the end of the day, its just that "A BANDAID".

If anything is gonna change, corruption will have to be addressed and at least minimized before anything else can be fixed.

Could not agree with this more. If government spending oversight, transparency, and accountability are not central to a candidate's campaign -- then you can be sure the candidate is an Establishment shiII.

originally posted by: MotherMayEye

originally posted by: amicktd
The problem with the 2 party system is they always talk about the same things that nobody can fix, unless the ultimate problem is fixed. They can talk about their bandaid policies for the economy, job market, social programs, foreign policy, immigration, etc. It really doesn't matter because at the end of the day, its just that "A BANDAID".

If anything is gonna change, corruption will have to be addressed and at least minimized before anything else can be fixed.

Could not agree with this more. If government spending oversight, transparency, and accountability are not central to a candidate's campaign -- then you can be sure the candidate is an Establishment shiII.

Didn't Obama promise the most transparent administration ever.
What they include in their campaign promises doesn't amount to a pinch of poop.

a reply to: UKTruth

Uhhhhh, no. Many want you to believe that you are trapped in a no win situation, but the truth is that those same people are the ones that want to control you.


The Republicans are the home team. The Democrats are the visitors.

The Republicans are naturally stronger and the Democrats are the losers, whiners and welfare recipients. The real game is strength versus nature.

a reply to: UKTruth

Our country's no different, it's all a sham here too. Maybe the newish Labour guy is more old Labour and maybe that'll make a difference at some future election. Prior to that we had two main parties pretty much identical, and then we messed up bad cause when the Lib Dems actually got a chance to change things, instead they formed a coalition, and then we, as in the UK voters, stuffed things up even more by voting them out of existence...and now our police state gets dumber and dumberer with each passing second. Scotland is even worse. Lord knows what will happen with the European vote. Everyone's got an opinion on Europe but does anybody know what it really even means to be a member of it or not.

I get the impression people know what the future is, if certain things happen in certain ways. But they prefer to just cover that up. They're probably panicing about what they see will happen if Trump wins. A lot of the GOP didn't want Bush in either.

It's all a big distraction for me. There's like you know one guy holding up both puppets. Not just in the USA, everywhere. It's pathetic. The true culprits are the ones that know it's fake and they keep it all going, whether they're voters, non-voters, runners, whatever. Meanwhile the real problems all go unresolved and not even mentioned mostly.