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Creating the Toxic Atmosphere, Israel, and Iran Ballistic Tests
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a reply to: kendix1960
Since when does telling the truth promote violence? Perhaps you should read/reread your bible? When they hated them that told the truth.
Since when does telling the truth promote violence? Perhaps you should read/reread your bible? When they hated them that told the truth.
a reply to: kendix1960
Factual? Based on what? What you've read? Heard? Seen?
You said it. It must be fact! Let me geuss? Your educated and have papers that prove it.
Factual? Based on what? What you've read? Heard? Seen?
You said it. It must be fact! Let me geuss? Your educated and have papers that prove it.
a reply to: kendix1960
"Goon" was your word, not mine. Just pointing that out... I'd be willing to wager your boy has some "goons". I could point out. But no reason to be uncivil.
"Goon" was your word, not mine. Just pointing that out... I'd be willing to wager your boy has some "goons". I could point out. But no reason to be uncivil.
a reply to: kendix1960
Oh! An attorney! Ain't that peachy? Perfect example. Kinda why I like Trump, he ain't one.
Oh! An attorney! Ain't that peachy? Perfect example. Kinda why I like Trump, he ain't one.
a reply to: kendix1960
I wasn't. You were. I mean if we're going to be PC? Let's just call them supporters. Not "goons". Funny thing is? I'm sure there will be a "government appointed lawyer" to deffend this/that "goon" against any government prosecutors.
I wasn't. You were. I mean if we're going to be PC? Let's just call them supporters. Not "goons". Funny thing is? I'm sure there will be a "government appointed lawyer" to deffend this/that "goon" against any government prosecutors.
a reply to: kendix1960
Hey,
I just wanted to pop in and say that I read your post, and thought you raised an interesting subject.
What I find troubling with it is your call to vote for other candidates that if elected would be no better for our common good than any perceived threat Trump could pose.
I agree we must treat our allies as such, but frankly the American people have greater concerns than giving to Israel what has been a burden beyond our alliance. In years past Israels defense has been almost entirely subsidized by the US government, which has brought to us many problems and pressure from abroad.
The current attitude towards Israel in the US is a product of a false and less than honest disposition by Israel towards the American people. There have been countless instances of our own security being compromised by Israels quasi fascist government looking out for its own interests and being very ungrateful for all that has been done for them.
I am not going to cite friendly fire incidents which have been as far ranging from US naval vessels under attack from Israeli aircraft to individual soldiers under Israeli sniper fire. The end purpose of which is to incite more concerted efforts against Israels enemies on our part as a response to the loss of american lives.
I would rather point to Israel trying to make and choose our enemies which are not ours but theirs. There has not been a unified effort to work with us. We are the big muscle for the little instigator. Human rights violations in which European and American non for profit workers have suffered aside....there is no effort on the part of Israel to be honest when speaking to their American counterparts about defensive strategies. They ask for the tools but do not heed our conditions for their use.
Israel always makes it seem like they are only the victim when they are only that to us. To their enemies they have been bold and ruthless. A strategy we have not signed on for. We have not encouraged an aggressor strategy and frankly is counter to our own internationally.
The Iran nuclear deal would have gone far better if Israel would have ended decades long secrecy about its own nuclear weapons. A point that has fueled Irans response in developing its own arsenal.
If Israel would separate its POLITICAL ethos of Zionism from its government and its institutions allot would be well on its way to being solved. If they would tone down the nature of their response to opposition both internally and abroad it would help their cause. Subverting the democratic process of another sovereign nation that has done much for them is not what a good ally does. Financially they use the funds we give them for defense to keep our political climate volatile and off center so as to always help politicians sympathetic to their needs with NO REGARD to the American people.
They have done much that has been to their detriment in the long run. I support keeping Israel safe since they are our allies. I do not condone their efforts to run my country into greater financial ruin and reduced security. They are a separate nation and my loyalty like all Americans is to OUR country and OUR people.
The fascist nature of the current government has not helped them and now they must adapt and sacrifice this stance of absolutism and the use of force to all who oppose. The many dark and subversive acts against my people must stop.
We will support Israel but not as fools. They must change what is a situation of their making in large part that is NO LONGER sustainable for the American people in principle and practicality.
As far as Trump.
The opposition to him is doing everything to validate him and launch him into power. Tactics like the ones being used in response to WORDS are not something we here in the US can tolerate. We are a spartan society, especially on the right. If you incite violence in response to a persons words, NO ONE will side with you. You will find yourself surrounded by Spartans seeing red like bulls.
If his words are ringing true it is because our political class has failed us. The same political class who sold our prosperity and security to causes like Israels quest for a greater piece of the middle east pie. The wanton quest for land and power as promised in religious texts-
Trump is being validated in his words. He has renounced his pledge to pay for legal fees of people attacking others in his name. He may rethink his stance on this if someone tries to hurt him again. He is being softer now having secured the most hard line voters and in an effort to appeal to more moderates.
IF he is provoked his supporters will no longer listen to words coming from what seems like underhanded people employing subversive and dangerous tactics against all Americans.
The foreign influence in this election is palpable. The far right extremists in Europe now gaining power are too involved. Israel is too involved. Socialist hardliners from the world over are too involved.
This mess is going to blow up in everyone's face and it will be just and meet.
When you try to influence a democratic process, no matter how good your intentions are, you end up empowering people who are fickle and dangerous to all. People with only loyalty to themselves.
Israel and the world would be better served by an honest US president seeking to protect his people and vying for our greater prosperity.
A corporate sympathizer, an Israeli apologist, a socialist radical, all would be better served, since as you can tell....people are letting themselves be fooled to get the most extreme opposition to those forces in power.
It is human nature. For too long our backs have been broken and the terrible weight of greed and lust for power have left us void of reason beyond VENGEANCE-
Trump is our pitchfork and our torch and we know it is also a noose at our necks. BUT as human nature as shown all, man would rather die taking his enemies with him, than suffer as a slave for a days worth of life in worsening conditions.
The truth is, there is no solution. We are not allowed to have a real anti establishment candidate. We have NO OPTION when it comes to getting a good and valid candidate no matter the office.
This situation has left us with nothing to lose. There is no point in pretending Rubio or any of these last ditch candidates will be different. We might as well have a fascist dictator who will destroy the entire world. The world has watched the US burn and suffer for the crime of being wealthy and safe. Things we fought for but left others with their hands in our pockets and their lies in our minds. Poverty and confusion. Insecurity and discord. All these things we suffer and it is the product of being too involved with the worlds wealthy and powerful, serving their needs.
I do not support Trump. I despise the whole farce and illusion of a system we have. What I say is to the sentiment of my fellow Americans.
Minorities are scared they will be deported since they have wasted decades not trying to legalize their situation...or lose their public assistance they have been to dependent on for generations. Voting against candidates and in favor of others to secure these fleeting virtues of prolonged illegal status and prolonged generational welfare have left us politically void of intelligence. Again, the product of all that has been done to us.
Hey,
I just wanted to pop in and say that I read your post, and thought you raised an interesting subject.
What I find troubling with it is your call to vote for other candidates that if elected would be no better for our common good than any perceived threat Trump could pose.
I agree we must treat our allies as such, but frankly the American people have greater concerns than giving to Israel what has been a burden beyond our alliance. In years past Israels defense has been almost entirely subsidized by the US government, which has brought to us many problems and pressure from abroad.
The current attitude towards Israel in the US is a product of a false and less than honest disposition by Israel towards the American people. There have been countless instances of our own security being compromised by Israels quasi fascist government looking out for its own interests and being very ungrateful for all that has been done for them.
I am not going to cite friendly fire incidents which have been as far ranging from US naval vessels under attack from Israeli aircraft to individual soldiers under Israeli sniper fire. The end purpose of which is to incite more concerted efforts against Israels enemies on our part as a response to the loss of american lives.
I would rather point to Israel trying to make and choose our enemies which are not ours but theirs. There has not been a unified effort to work with us. We are the big muscle for the little instigator. Human rights violations in which European and American non for profit workers have suffered aside....there is no effort on the part of Israel to be honest when speaking to their American counterparts about defensive strategies. They ask for the tools but do not heed our conditions for their use.
Israel always makes it seem like they are only the victim when they are only that to us. To their enemies they have been bold and ruthless. A strategy we have not signed on for. We have not encouraged an aggressor strategy and frankly is counter to our own internationally.
The Iran nuclear deal would have gone far better if Israel would have ended decades long secrecy about its own nuclear weapons. A point that has fueled Irans response in developing its own arsenal.
If Israel would separate its POLITICAL ethos of Zionism from its government and its institutions allot would be well on its way to being solved. If they would tone down the nature of their response to opposition both internally and abroad it would help their cause. Subverting the democratic process of another sovereign nation that has done much for them is not what a good ally does. Financially they use the funds we give them for defense to keep our political climate volatile and off center so as to always help politicians sympathetic to their needs with NO REGARD to the American people.
They have done much that has been to their detriment in the long run. I support keeping Israel safe since they are our allies. I do not condone their efforts to run my country into greater financial ruin and reduced security. They are a separate nation and my loyalty like all Americans is to OUR country and OUR people.
The fascist nature of the current government has not helped them and now they must adapt and sacrifice this stance of absolutism and the use of force to all who oppose. The many dark and subversive acts against my people must stop.
We will support Israel but not as fools. They must change what is a situation of their making in large part that is NO LONGER sustainable for the American people in principle and practicality.
As far as Trump.
The opposition to him is doing everything to validate him and launch him into power. Tactics like the ones being used in response to WORDS are not something we here in the US can tolerate. We are a spartan society, especially on the right. If you incite violence in response to a persons words, NO ONE will side with you. You will find yourself surrounded by Spartans seeing red like bulls.
If his words are ringing true it is because our political class has failed us. The same political class who sold our prosperity and security to causes like Israels quest for a greater piece of the middle east pie. The wanton quest for land and power as promised in religious texts-
Trump is being validated in his words. He has renounced his pledge to pay for legal fees of people attacking others in his name. He may rethink his stance on this if someone tries to hurt him again. He is being softer now having secured the most hard line voters and in an effort to appeal to more moderates.
IF he is provoked his supporters will no longer listen to words coming from what seems like underhanded people employing subversive and dangerous tactics against all Americans.
The foreign influence in this election is palpable. The far right extremists in Europe now gaining power are too involved. Israel is too involved. Socialist hardliners from the world over are too involved.
This mess is going to blow up in everyone's face and it will be just and meet.
When you try to influence a democratic process, no matter how good your intentions are, you end up empowering people who are fickle and dangerous to all. People with only loyalty to themselves.
Israel and the world would be better served by an honest US president seeking to protect his people and vying for our greater prosperity.
A corporate sympathizer, an Israeli apologist, a socialist radical, all would be better served, since as you can tell....people are letting themselves be fooled to get the most extreme opposition to those forces in power.
It is human nature. For too long our backs have been broken and the terrible weight of greed and lust for power have left us void of reason beyond VENGEANCE-
Trump is our pitchfork and our torch and we know it is also a noose at our necks. BUT as human nature as shown all, man would rather die taking his enemies with him, than suffer as a slave for a days worth of life in worsening conditions.
The truth is, there is no solution. We are not allowed to have a real anti establishment candidate. We have NO OPTION when it comes to getting a good and valid candidate no matter the office.
This situation has left us with nothing to lose. There is no point in pretending Rubio or any of these last ditch candidates will be different. We might as well have a fascist dictator who will destroy the entire world. The world has watched the US burn and suffer for the crime of being wealthy and safe. Things we fought for but left others with their hands in our pockets and their lies in our minds. Poverty and confusion. Insecurity and discord. All these things we suffer and it is the product of being too involved with the worlds wealthy and powerful, serving their needs.
I do not support Trump. I despise the whole farce and illusion of a system we have. What I say is to the sentiment of my fellow Americans.
Minorities are scared they will be deported since they have wasted decades not trying to legalize their situation...or lose their public assistance they have been to dependent on for generations. Voting against candidates and in favor of others to secure these fleeting virtues of prolonged illegal status and prolonged generational welfare have left us politically void of intelligence. Again, the product of all that has been done to us.
edit on 3 15 2016 by tadaman because: (no reason given)
a reply to: kendix1960
I have no doubt of your good intentions... But I wouldn't call you a "goon". No matter what I think of your "title". You make your title. There is no greater "title" than American. Period! We don't subjugate well.
I have no doubt of your good intentions... But I wouldn't call you a "goon". No matter what I think of your "title". You make your title. There is no greater "title" than American. Period! We don't subjugate well.
a reply to: tadaman
Continued.
The nature of our ignorance and manufactured stupidity that once served the system meant to break our backs has now come full circle. How great would an informed and honest voter base be now to stop Trump? It is a shame this has been fought against and opposed when it served the interests of those now fearing a general upheaval of all that has been built, both good and bad.
This situation has left us with little hope. The general despair we are all in is now something the world will reap. It has planted the seeds of ignorance for its advantage. NOW it will see those evils grow to fruition.
Trump could lose, but the want of vengeance by the American people is real. We wish to share the misery we have been afforded.
Do not ask for votes. Ask those who have made this situation so volatile to stop and for once be honest.
Ask those on the far left to be less extreme when speaking to people about Trump. Those who support him are not doing so because they see hope. They have faith that this will cause everyone to suffer the way we all have. It will cause perhaps, in their minds, the world to ask for these evils choking the life out of our country to step down.
It is about change. Offering the same interchangeable candidates over and over again will not stop Trump. He is winning because he is not like them.
You also cant play his game. He is only using words, the left is starting to get extreme....that is not something you want to do with Spartan Americans. All reason will be cast aside and the strong will rule...something we are all trying to stop.
I have nothing more to say.
Continued.
The nature of our ignorance and manufactured stupidity that once served the system meant to break our backs has now come full circle. How great would an informed and honest voter base be now to stop Trump? It is a shame this has been fought against and opposed when it served the interests of those now fearing a general upheaval of all that has been built, both good and bad.
This situation has left us with little hope. The general despair we are all in is now something the world will reap. It has planted the seeds of ignorance for its advantage. NOW it will see those evils grow to fruition.
Trump could lose, but the want of vengeance by the American people is real. We wish to share the misery we have been afforded.
Do not ask for votes. Ask those who have made this situation so volatile to stop and for once be honest.
Ask those on the far left to be less extreme when speaking to people about Trump. Those who support him are not doing so because they see hope. They have faith that this will cause everyone to suffer the way we all have. It will cause perhaps, in their minds, the world to ask for these evils choking the life out of our country to step down.
It is about change. Offering the same interchangeable candidates over and over again will not stop Trump. He is winning because he is not like them.
You also cant play his game. He is only using words, the left is starting to get extreme....that is not something you want to do with Spartan Americans. All reason will be cast aside and the strong will rule...something we are all trying to stop.
I have nothing more to say.
a reply to: tadaman
That's deep. A few good points.
But Israel hasn't done nothing we/America haven't done, only bigger! And not necessarily, in thier name. Seems to be a lot of jew hate on this site. That bothers me.
I know, word has it, Trump's a White supremacy.. Blah and blah! Lol! America doesn't need another "lawyer" or "politician" ... It needs someone that knows the ins and outs of "reality." I know that freeks the h*ll out of the takers and dead drain on society...but that's FACT!
That's deep. A few good points.
But Israel hasn't done nothing we/America haven't done, only bigger! And not necessarily, in thier name. Seems to be a lot of jew hate on this site. That bothers me.
I know, word has it, Trump's a White supremacy.. Blah and blah! Lol! America doesn't need another "lawyer" or "politician" ... It needs someone that knows the ins and outs of "reality." I know that freeks the h*ll out of the takers and dead drain on society...but that's FACT!
a reply to: murphy22
That is the problem.
I have said nothing hateful towards jews. You have validated Trump there and if I was an idiot, would push me into his camp-
You have again validated Trump. Citing the greater evils of others does not make lesser evils good. That rings of deceptive words meant to control my mind and sentiment. Again if I was an idiot I would be that much closer to supporting trump.
The other side is using the same tired tactics that Americans are just sick of. The very things that by staunchly opposing, will launch trump into power and the world into hell.
You can not use what has worked in the past. It is only fueling what has led to this.
You may not have the tools to stop Trump.
You still think this is a typical situation the old play book can solve. The play book is the problem-
a reply to: murphy22
No, less and less people will vote AGAINST someone. This is all because they are voting FOR something seen as truth and validated as such at every turn.
That is the problem.
I have said nothing hateful towards jews. You have validated Trump there and if I was an idiot, would push me into his camp-
You have again validated Trump. Citing the greater evils of others does not make lesser evils good. That rings of deceptive words meant to control my mind and sentiment. Again if I was an idiot I would be that much closer to supporting trump.
The other side is using the same tired tactics that Americans are just sick of. The very things that by staunchly opposing, will launch trump into power and the world into hell.
You can not use what has worked in the past. It is only fueling what has led to this.
You may not have the tools to stop Trump.
You still think this is a typical situation the old play book can solve. The play book is the problem-
a reply to: murphy22
No, less and less people will vote AGAINST someone. This is all because they are voting FOR something seen as truth and validated as such at every turn.
edit on 3 15 2016 by tadaman because: (no reason given)
a reply to: kendix1960
Always a pleasure. Thank you for your time.
Have a good one
Hold it down
Always a pleasure. Thank you for your time.
Have a good one
Hold it down
edit on 3 15 2016 by tadaman because: (no reason given)
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