Trump attacked on stage in Dayton, Ohio

Still wondering why losers flock to rallys in the USA?

Surely one has better things to do than waste there time with rar rar flag waveing bull#?

You can watch politicians spew there bull# from a TV.

Anyway hate Trump but violence is wrong, even if I think he is a vile bully of a man.

originally posted by: Skywatcher2011
a reply to: BIGPoJo

That's awesome how they tackled that SOB! Go POLICE

Awesome how the supposedly hate-filled and violent crowd let them do their job.

a reply to: matafuchs

Do you actually get pom poms sent to you when you agree to be a Trump cheerleader?

originally posted by: Rocker2013
This is a man who has publicly called on people at his rally to attack others. That's not left wing propaganda", it actually happened, more than once. This man has riled up a nation, created extremes on both sides, and now he's reaping the whirlwind of what he's manufactured.

Trump hasn't manufactured anything. The American people are angry. They are tired of being called racist, bigot, sexist, homophobe, xenophobe, jingoist. They are tired of micro-aggressions, 'inequities' and PC culture. They are tired of politicians who won't enforce the laws on the books. That's purely created by the liberal/progressive/statist/socialist machine.

Trump is giving voice to that anger. And when others try to speak over that voice, his supporters react. It's not the most appropriate reaction, and those who cause physical injury should be prosecuted. But they are in no way the majority of his supporters.

Liberals/Progressives/Statists/Socialists have no one to blame but themselves. They have pushed, and pushed and pushed. Now the rest of the country wants to push back. And now that it's happening, the 'machine' is whining.

I hope protests start getting bigger and bigger in every city and state this man dares to visit.

They probably will, but more for Trump than the other side. The only time libs will get a large group will be in a propaganda stronghold like a university. I won't be surprised to find out that many of the protesters were bused in.

It's about time the American people stood up and said that this ignorance and (removed) brand of politics are not acceptable.

They are, and libs don't like it. Trump has tapped into people standing up against liberal ignorance and fascism.

And yes, it IS freedom of speech, which goes BOTH ways. He has the freedom to be an ignorant fool and preach hatred at events, and the public is FREE TO PROTEST AGAINST IT.

Freedom of speech is one thing, so long as it is peaceful. Non-peaceful disruption is quite another. Speaking over someone at their own rally is not freedom of speech. Charging the stage is not freedom of speech.

a reply to: MystikMushroom

I'm sure that the media should have no problem finding out who that guy was, if it was a plant.

Kinda like that old lady wearing a Trump shirt and making the nazi salute. Independent media figured her out in less than two hours.

a reply to: CrazyWater

No a 20 by 10 foot sign that says TRUMP HAS BIG HANDS to put in my front yard.

The same way people wanted a voice in 08 they want it now. I guess it is ok for someone who is black to support a black candidate but if you support a white candidate, or one other than who the DNC or BLM endorse, you are racist.

There are people who want to go to the rallies to hear what he has to say. Many people have dropped out and those people who were fans want to hear him. What right is given to the protesters to stop it. How about this privileged college kids head on down to the local Chicago crack/gang house and protest? Maybe from a neighborhood watch group? No, that would make sense.

This will only make Trump stronger and bring out more of the fringe to vote.

originally posted by: MysticPearl
This isn't protest and criticism. You've really got to stretch reality to attempt to argue that.

You don't have to stretch anything, that's exactly what it is. We're not going to listen to this maniac who insists on destroying this country behind the guise of nationalism and 'us before them' mentality. We're going to protest, we're going to criticize. Why should we just stand by when this guy tells his supporters to hit protesters? Says things like, “You know what they used to do to guys like that when they were in a place like this? They’d be carried out on a stretcher, folks.”

This is shutting down free speech on private property under the threat of violence, something throughout history which has regularly been a tactic of communists.

It was the University of Illinois, it's not private property. Did you think that maybe people were just sick of this guy? One of his supporters punches a guy, unprovoked but only gets arrested when it starts to make news. He was surrounded by cops but didn't get arrested until the next day.

I'm anxiously awaiting Trump's personal army to arise to 'protect him' from protesters. They could all wear brown shirts so we can distinguish them from regular supporters. Trump has to learn that his words have consequences. He is not supported by the people, if he's the nominee then count on at least four more years of Democratic control of the White House.

a reply to: links234

Why aren't you/they criticizing your own party? I think Bernie needs more of a hand than Trump. This is the part that make me really laugh.

When someone will disrupt what other have them will come at him full force. He want to change politics and he is getting attacked not only by the DNC but his own party. OWN party! Politicians do not want him because he will not play ball. We need someone who will say no, do it again and find compromise. Not 'pass it and read it' later.

originally posted by: matafuchs
Why aren't you/they criticizing your own party? I think Bernie needs more of a hand than Trump.

In this instance, it's because Trump is the subject of this thread. Attacking the DNC for their underhandedness if for another thread, I'm trying to stay on topic.

originally posted by: matafuchs
So, here we go....seems he was close enough to grab his leg. That is close enough for a tight grouping too....

www.whio.com...

I am sure most of you would say he deserves it but that is ridiculous. This is pressure for him to quit the race and it will not work.

I like what he said earlier in the rally also. Stating that at least Bernies supporters are active for their candidate.

www.nbcnews.com...

Bernie Sanders should although be condemning his supporters for this action. There was a call to Trump supporters to be nice? They are not stopping Bernie Rallies....

I hope Trump spins this, since he is now a victim of violence. I'm sure the SS were told to play it soft today...The turds in charge want him scared.

Too bad for them, he's neither a victim or scared. Dude has balls of steel and a backbone to match.

And that is exactly what this country needs!

I had a feeling this would be all over ATS...

Let's look at this logically, shall we?

Donald Trump has nothing to gain from being President. The man is rich beyond filthy. He can have whatever he wants whenever he wants however he wants. He already has political influence by virtue of his ability to make (dare I say it?) HUUUUUGE contributions. So his motive is not personal gain.

Donald Trump is not dumb. He is smart enough to have developed an estate worth billions. He is smart enough to know how to gain so much political momentum to astound the media.

Donald Trump is not an experienced politician, but he IS political. After all, a major talking point in the primary race is that he contributed so much to various races... on both sides, according to his own admissions and common business practice. He knows how to manipulate his opponents... that's what businessmen do.

What he has done is to tap into a seething anger that is growing within society. It grows from a government that consistently lies and twists facts; a media that attempts to control public opinion; businesses that are regularly held to be above the law; an economy that prevents upward mobility for most, condemns many to poverty, and places ever-increasing demands on the private lives of citizens; a border policy that appears to place those who break the law in high esteem and denounces those harmed by the breaking of those laws; a society that redefines words and demonizes truth in order to maintain this status quo; and a law enforcement system that has become a mix of apathetic and antagonistic. This anger existed long before Trump began his campaign. All Trump did was to tap into it.

Incidentally, Bernie Sanders has tapped into the same anger, albeit with a different 'solution'.

Here's a few telltale events to drive home my next point:

"Trump hates latinos!" Not exactly... he wants some forms of real control over who enters the country, and the Mexican border is completely porous. He'said a long way from alone in wanting this, to the extent that the Congress has already authorized his wall... it just wasn'the built.

"Trump adores Putin". Again, a twisting of words. He has stated that he recognizes that Putin is a strong leader... fact. That's a long way from agreeing with Putin's policies.

"Trump agrees with the KKK". He gave a very generalized answer in response to David Duke's endorsement, later denouncing Duke (several times) and explaining he was having trouble hearing the questions clearly. Yet, the myth persists that he refused to denounce the KKK.

"Trump wants to ban Muslims." He called for a temporary ban on immigrants from known extremist Muslim areas, until the safety of Americans could be assured, in the wake of terrorists entering and attacking Paris through the exact same channels open to the USA. Not a permanent ban, and not on Americans, and on a CULTURE that was suspect, not a religion.

These are a few examples of how the media has tried to steer the people away from Trump. The obvious conclusion is that Trump supports policies at odds with the media's agendas. That agenda historically aligns with governmental agendas. The hilarious result has been that it didn'the work this time! Now we have the latest twist: violence in Trump'so rallies.

It started with a supporter hitting a protestor. Shameful, yes, and the supporter was rightly arrested. Then the protests turned into riots in Chicago. Now it's the lead story on the news, and it seems everyone from Kasich to Clinton is demanding Trump "do something about his people."

Has anyone else noticed all the Bernie signs from the violent protestors? But... Sanders has been one of the critics of the violence!

Who really stands to benefit from Trump's downfall and from a smudge on Sanders' reputation?

Hillary Clinton.

She's no stranger to accusations of mafia-style violence. Those accusations plagued Bill during his election, and the controversy over illegal CIA records found in the White House pointed straight at Hillary. And by this one swift move, she casts doubt on Bernie to clinch the nomination, and damages her probable general election opponent.

Here's the problem: all that anger is still out there, and much of it is relying on Trump. If he should fall due to anything other than a fair vote, if there are questions about unfair treatment or backroom politics, that anger is going to grow. When it grows enough, when it reaches critical mass, no political or media power will be able to contain it. Just like gunpowder sealed in an iron pipe, it will burst forth with a violence many times its 'normal' ability.

That's a bad thing.

(I am not endorsing anyone by this post, simply commenting on the current events. I also may not have time to answer replies due to an extremely heavy workload... I have been absent for a long time due to this workload, and probably will find myself buried under it again soon.)

TheRedneck

originally posted by: BIGPoJo
a reply to: MystikMushroom

OK, what makes more sense?

A professional protester and BLM agitator who doesn't want Trump to be POTUS actually tried to attack Trump.

OR, Trump paid this guy off to make a scene, even though this guy HATES Trump.

You clearly didn't understand what I said.

It would be in Trump's interest to identify his largest, most radical critics and have people encourage and push them over the edge.

Our intelligence community does this kind of thing all the time. The FBI uses informants to identify "terrorist sympathizers" and offers them help and encouragement. They amp them up. Once that person of interest has been pushed over the edge, they're arrested.

It's a classic psyop or "psychological operation". It includes the added benefit of plausible deniability as well, as the guy truly is anti-Trump...the deep dark secret? He was pushed over the edge by people who support Trump.

It's sneaky, and works amazingly well.

Ask the FBI, they've been caught dozens of times doing it.

a reply to: crazyewok

Still wondering why losers flock to rallys in the USA?

Coz if they quit going we would have nothing to talk about.

a reply to: Teikiatsu

What I'm saying is the guy WASN'T a plant.

No, that guy honestly did dislike Trump.

What I *AM* saying is that it would not be hard at all to give that guy a "little push" into action. I bet just before this event he had made some "new friends" ... new friends that encouraged him to take action.

Why? Because it plays into Trump's hand perfectly.

This type of psyop works well because the person is actually who they claim to be -- but they would probably have never acted without shadowy support from an unseen hand (someone pro-Trump) behind the scenes.

Our own government does it all the time, look into the FBI's informant program and terrorism.

Trump is well-connected with media experts and marketing guru's ... these people make a living off of figuring out how to manipulate the minds of people. Their sole purpose is to figure out how to get someone to watch something, buy something, and change opinions about things.

Posing as an anti-Trump person and filling the guy's head with encouragement and motivation to act would be an incredibly easy way to score near-free PR points for Trump.

I'm surprised I have to explain it at such length, as we discuss the FBI doing the exact same thing over and over again here on ATS. *eye roll*

originally posted by: MystikMushroom
You clearly didn't understand what I said.

It would be in Trump's interest to identify his largest, most radical critics and have people encourage and push them over the edge.

I'm a little confused. Are you saying that this actually happened? And on what basis are you proposing it?

*not a Trump supporter, but all the anti-Trump vitriol has surprisingly made me think about it. Perhaps I'm just contrarian that way.

On topic.

IF Trump does become potus the secret service is going to hate him.

They would have to give up booze and hookers. Because there wouldn't be time for it.

a reply to: RadioRobert

No, that's the genius of something like this -- there would be no proof unless some emails or text messages were found coming from Trump's campaign or someone else who supports Trump.

This entire thing reeks of a psyop. Something that you'd see in a movie or TV...an industry "The Donald" knows all to well...

a reply to: MystikMushroom

Sure, I guess it's possible; you're going to have to do a little better than that, however, before I'm on board.

I mean, demons could have been whispering in his ear. The beauty of it, is that there would be no proof unless we held a seance or something.

I like you, MM. You seem like a bright one. I just think you're out on the really thin limbs with this one.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
Didn't Donald seem just a little bit "prepared" for this "assault"?

It looked like he may have even practiced those "cat-like" moves ...

I'm glad he's okay. I hope he tamps down his hateful rhetoric.

The only thing that makes me not think it was staged, is that if it was staged Trump probably would have had a gun on him and shot the guy.

a reply to: MystikMushroom

Maybe you ate too many shrooms maaaaaan. Why concoct a theory with no proof or evidence whatsoever?