Barack Obama says David Cameron allowed Libya to become a 's*** show'

Well that takes a lot of nerve. Seriously people. Obama's mantra was leading from behind after instigating the downfall of Gadaffi. To this day I still don't know why after thirty years of silence the current clueless in chief decided to bomb the hell out of them.

Obama shouldn't be one casting stones at Cameron. Considering both Syria, and Iraq became a snip show after Obama 'squandered' the military's gains there.

Barack Obama has sharply criticised David Cameron for the UK’s role in allowing Libya to become a “snip show” after the fall of the dictator Muammar Gaddafi, in an unprecedented attack on a British leader by a serving US President.

Hype,and Blame.

And people whine about Trumps language eh.

Referring to that mess in private, Mr Obama reportedly uses the more colourful term, “snip”.

Will Obama ever own up to HIS failures ?

Probably when hell freezes over.

Obama abdicated his own responsibility and then he criticizes how others do things?

Is this leading from behind?

Read this an hour ago and had to laugh.
Now it´s europes fault, can´t become better, for a comedy show...

Politicians rarely admit that they were wrong..about anything.

a reply to: neo96

France were the real ones behind it all, I still remember Sarkozy's speech to the Libyans "Vive Benghazi, vive la Libye, vive l'amitié entre la France et la Libye"



Not saying Cameron isn't to blame for dipping his fingers in there too, but Obama is to blame as well as it was a NATO operation and he was behind Sarkozy on this.

Strange though to see the US openly attacking the UK though I wonder what's going on behind the scenes for this to happen

Well, at least this time he didn't say it was Bush's fault!

a reply to: Discotech

Maybe he is wanting to remind them that the US and the UK no longer enjoy our traditional special relationship in case the UK bails on the EU?

a reply to: Discotech

UK did have some influence in Middle East. Remember the Iron Lady?

a reply to: ketsuko

Let's be honest they both need each other in the behind the scenes Cold War against Russia that's still on going and never stopped

originally posted by: neo96To this day I still don't know why after thirty years of silence the current clueless in chief decided to bomb the hell out of them.

was on ats back when it was going down, they ousted Qaddafi cause he was trying to start up his own nonfiat currency,

tends to be a common theme with our wars over the last few decades, most the regimes we have been toppling were all trying to do the same thing, separate themselves from the global bankers. always ends in their destruction

He's right, but the operation was being commanded by Canadians on behalf of NATO, so I say, Blame Canada!!

a reply to: neo96

Well its not like he can blame bush for this one is it?

a reply to: neo96

you know why he did it: they weren't on the reserve banking system.


Come on, Neo. You are on ATS...you can point out that big old 8000 lb elephant known as "The Reserve Banking System".

I don't live in the US however I find it extraordinary how much criticism is levelled at Obama. He came into office needing to deal with 2 massively costly wars he did not start. An economy that he did not decimate (go Wya), unemployment spiralling out of control, to many low income families without access to universal healthcare and a level of illogical and counter productive toxicity from republicans that for anyone else outside of the US view as insane. When did a free thinking individual have their sense of personal identity so heavily defined by whether you are a Dem or a Rep? It seems to be that following this mantra regardless of whether there is productive and intelligent policies and solutions offered political lines Trump genuine consideration as to what will help to make a better tomorrow for everyone. It's a sad indictment on the state of US society if a narcissist such as Trump actually has support from anyone with half a brain. Greatest country on earth... Used to be. a reply to: neo96

originally posted by: inquisitivenature
I don't live in the US however I find it extraordinary how much criticism is levelled at Obama. He came into office needing to deal with 2 massively costly wars he did not start. An economy that he did not decimate (go Wya), unemployment spiralling out of control, to many low income families without access to universal healthcare and a level of illogical and counter productive toxicity from republicans that for anyone else outside of the US view as insane. When did a free thinking individual have their sense of personal identity so heavily defined by whether you are a Dem or a Rep? It seems to be that following this mantra regardless of whether there is productive and intelligent policies and solutions offered political lines Trump genuine consideration as to what will help to make a better tomorrow for everyone. It's a sad indictment on the state of US society if a narcissist such as Trump actually has support from anyone with half a brain. Greatest country on earth... Used to be. a reply to: neo96

and facing all of that, instead of dealing with those massive issues, he forced through a healthcare system that, in all effect, just forces people to buy the overinflated products they couldn't afford before.

Its like a fireman that runs up while your house is burning, and instead of pulling out the hose and getting to work, decides he needs to prune the trees instead.

You can excuse the fact that he took over a nation circling the toilet. You can't excuse that he did the exact same thing to address that GW did (throw MORE money at it) while sinking all his political capital into a program that the people are lukewarm at best about.

a reply to: inquisitivenature

I don't live in the US however I find it extraordinary how much criticism is levelled at Obama. He came into office needing to deal with 2 massively costly wars he did not start.

GW didn't 'start' it either.



People criticize Obama because HE EARNED it.



Thems the breaks.

a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

An economy that he did not decimate (go Wya), unemployment spiralling out of control

And the Clinton Repeal of Glass Stegall had nothing to do with it. 'What so ever'.

And 'Elected' officials like these 'snips'.



And we know GW didn't have anything to do with Libya.

That is soley owned by Obama inc.

originally posted by: neo96
Well that takes a lot of nerve. Seriously people. Obama's mantra was leading from behind after instigating the downfall of Gadaffi. To this day I still don't know why after thirty years of silence the current clueless in chief decided to bomb the hell out of them.

Obama shouldn't be one casting stones at Cameron. Considering both Syria, and Iraq became a snip show after Obama 'squandered' the military's gains there.

Barack Obama has sharply criticised David Cameron for the UK’s role in allowing Libya to become a “snip show” after the fall of the dictator Muammar Gaddafi, in an unprecedented attack on a British leader by a serving US President.

Hype,and Blame.

And people whine about Trumps language eh.

Referring to that mess in private, Mr Obama reportedly uses the more colorful term, “snip”.

Will Obama ever own up to HIS failures ?

Probably when hell freezes over.

I reckon this criticism is a good thing. When the dogs at this level start a fighting among themselves, it means not only are there cracks in the dam but there is something going on behind the scene.

Well, as far as blame goes, they all should be eating a huge sh*tty pie load. However I am interested about this bit here:

Mr Obama also said Mr Cameron’s failures had affected his decision not to enforce a “red line” over President Bashar al-Assad’s use of chemical weapons during the Syrian civil war. The President had planned a strike against Assad’s forces in August 2013, following a deadly sarin gas attack by the regime on civilians in a Damascus suburb. The strike was called off at the 11th hour. One “major factor” in the decision, the President said, “was the failure of Cameron to obtain the consent of his Parliament” for military action.

The above from the OP

The plan was attack Syria right?

In 2011 Barack Obama led an allied military intervention in Libya without consulting the US Congress. Last August, after the sarin attack on the Damascus suburb of Ghouta, he was ready to launch an allied air strike, this time to punish the Syrian government for allegedly crossing the ‘red line’ he had set in 2012 on the use of chemical weapons.

No Syrian attack, and now Obama says a major factor was Cameron not getting consent?

Why did Obama delay and then relent on Syria when he was not shy about rushing into Libya? The answer lies in a clash between those in the administration who were committed to enforcing the red line, and military leaders who thought that going to war was both unjustified and potentially disastrous.

It seems that there were huge doubts about the origin of the sarin used:

Obama’s change of mind had its origins at Porton Down, the defence laboratory in Wiltshire. British intelligence had obtained a sample of the sarin used in the 21 August attack and analysis demonstrated that the gas used didn’t match the batches known to exist in the Syrian army’s chemical weapons arsenal.

In fact according to this source here there were/are in fact a lot of people who believe that attack may have come from Turkey, go figure:

For months there had been acute concern among senior military leaders and the intelligence community about the role in the war of Syria’s neighbours, especially Turkey. Prime Minister Recep Erdoğan was known to be supporting the al-Nusra Front, a jihadist faction among the rebel opposition, as well as other Islamist rebel groups. ‘We knew there were some in the Turkish government,’ a former senior US intelligence official, who has access to current intelligence, told me, ‘who believed they could get Assad’s nuts in a vice by dabbling with a sarin attack inside Syria – and forcing Obama to make good on his red line threat.’

I'll leave the link here, it is an interesting article to read. I would also suggest the follow up article entitled Military to Military.

The London Review Seymour M. Hersh: the red line and the rat line

a reply to: inquisitivenature
I am a US citizen and always have been . And I am not a Republican.
1)

He came into office needing to deal with 2 massively costly wars he did not start.

And extended those past Bush's cut-off date

2)

An economy that he did not decimate (go Wya)

And did what , 3 massive bank and wall-street bailouts ? At the expense of the common person and taxes.

3)

unemployment spiraling out of control

And is still doing so , but covered up by carefully and cheerfully omitting the numbers of people that are dropping completely out of the work force ?

4)

too many low income families without access to universal healthcare

Even more so now , as ObamaCare comes into full effect.

Of course Obama would lay the blame everywhere else but himself