Surprise! NSA data will soon routinely be used for domestic policing...

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Surprise! NSA data will soon routinely be used for domestic policing that has nothing to do with terrorism

A while back, we noted a report showing that the “sneak-and-peek” provision of the Patriot Act that was alleged to be used only in national security and terrorism investigations has overwhelmingly been used in narcotics cases. Now the New York Times reports that National Security Agency data will be shared with other intelligence agencies like the FBI without first applying any screens for privacy.

This basically formalizes what was already happening under the radar. We’ve known for a couple of years now that the Drug Enforcement Administration and the IRS were getting information from the NSA. Because that information was obtained without a warrant, the agencies were instructed to engage in “parallel construction” when explaining to courts and defense attorneys how the information had been obtained. If you think parallel construction just sounds like a bureaucratically sterilized way of saying big stinking lie, well, you wouldn’t be alone.

Yeah, I do pretty much think "parallel construction" is just another big stinking lie.... but that's pretty much what I expect from our elected (and appointed) officials these days.

It’s all another sobering reminder that any powers we grant to the federal government for the purpose of national security will inevitably be used just about everywhere else. And extraordinary powers we grant government in wartime rarely go away once the war is over. And, of course, the nifty thing for government agencies about a “war on terrorism” is that it’s a war that will never formally end.

Not to mention the many powers -- and abuses of powers -- that we do not grant to government, but they take any way.

Thanks to the feds, I am increasingly opposed to anyone being incarcerated for any reason except those who are a danger to others or somehow violating another person's natural inalienable rights... everything else is just tyranny. They cannot be trusted with power.

a reply to: Boadicea

they can take their parallel construction and shove it where the sun don't shine

(* ^^ gets reported by NSA to other agencies)

a reply to: FamCore

We can hang out together in the re-education camp for dissidents... along with the other ATSers...

They made need a few of those camps JUST for "reforming" us ATSers

a reply to: Boadicea

I don't think collection of personal data had anything to do with 'terrorism'. Terrorism is the excuse they use to get you to accept the intrusion. We all heard after 911 that communication between agencies was broken down or non existent.

The result of that was the "fusion" centers, right? The sharing thing and collection of data to central points to be stored, collated and acted upon?

Everything about you is in there...

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: Boadicea

I don't think collection of personal data had anything to do with 'terrorism'. Terrorism is the excuse they use to get you to accept the intrusion.

Definitely... that was just the excuse needed to get us so skeered that we'd beg for their protection... or something like that. I don't think I'm the only one more concerned by our own terrorist government than other terrorists.

a reply to: Boadicea

Oh, well it was nice of them to admit what everyone around here has known for a while.

And I bet there are enemies of liberty and freedom who still believe Snowden was a traitor, rather than one of the greatest modern American patriots of the age in which we live. Ridiculous.

Note the date, ladies and gentlemen. On this, the eleventh day, of the third month, in the year of our Lord 2016, it became apparent that the United States of America no longer had any business commenting on the civil rights abuses of other nations against their people, since it's own intelligence community has turned against the people, and against their liberty and freedom.

If I was American, I would be in the streets over this, marching on Washington and setting fires. Lots and lots of fires.

originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: Boadicea

Note the date, ladies and gentlemen. On this, the eleventh day, of the third month, in the year of our Lord 2016, it became apparent that the United States of America no longer had any business commenting on the civil rights abuses of other nations against their people, since it's own intelligence community has turned against the people, and against their liberty and freedom.

Nothing to add to that.... but it bears repeating!

If I was American, I would be in the streets over this, marching on Washington and setting fires. Lots and lots of fires.

We just need one fire: At the data collection/storage center in Utah.

a reply to: Boadicea

I don't think I'm the only one more concerned by our own terrorist government than other terrorists.

Personally, I'll let them worry, all hunkered down in their concrete bunkers trying to figure out where the next threat to the Paradigm is coming from. In that light you and me aren't their concern, they have much bigger fish to fry.

originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: FamCore

We can hang out together in the re-education camp for dissidents... along with the other ATSers...

They made need a few of those camps JUST for "reforming" us ATSers

They'll most likely need special building just to handle the ATS'ers. Since we're all so far gone by their standards I figure. So when we're all gathered up I call dibs on the top bunk, for who ever my roommate will be.

a reply to: Boadicea

AKA lobotomizing us? Yikes... are we really that bad?

originally posted by: Boadicea

originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: Boadicea

Note the date, ladies and gentlemen. On this, the eleventh day, of the third month, in the year of our Lord 2016, it became apparent that the United States of America no longer had any business commenting on the civil rights abuses of other nations against their people, since it's own intelligence community has turned against the people, and against their liberty and freedom.

Nothing to add to that.... but it bears repeating!

If I was American, I would be in the streets over this, marching on Washington and setting fires. Lots and lots of fires.

We just need one fire: At the data collection/storage center in Utah.

Well your the one with the armed population so why not put the Twinkies and hamburgers down and do something?

originally posted by: FamCore
a reply to: Boadicea

AKA lobotomizing us? Yikes... are we really that bad?

Naw... we're that good!

I'm figuring I'm already on a few lists... if not I'm doing something wrong! (Or they are...)

a reply to: crazyewok

Well your the one with the armed population so why not put the Twinkies and hamburgers down and do something?

Twinkies? Yuk!

Seriously though, the pen (keyboard) is mightier than the sword... I'm not a 2nd Amendment remedies type person. We have better tools if we will just use them.

a reply to: Boadicea

Change the laws to require a n actual victim of person or property for a crime to occur. They can have their data if we eliminate bull crap laws from the books.

originally posted by: Metallicus
a reply to: Boadicea

Change the laws to require a n actual victim of person or property for a crime to occur. They can have their data if we eliminate bull crap laws from the books.

I like that. It would go a long long way towards stopping much of the abuse we encounter at every level of government. Let's start with all "crimes" (under color of law) against "government."

a reply to: ObjectZero

They'll most likely need special building just to handle the ATS'ers. Since we're all so far gone by their standards I figure. So when we're all gathered up I call dibs on the top bunk, for who ever my roommate will be.

Imagine a re-education camp for all the members of ATS. That would be a hell of a motley crew of relatively intelligent, resourceful, out-of-the-box thinkers. We've got everything from witches to mercenaries to quantum physicist here. I think it might be tough to keep us all in their cages long enough to get us re-educated.


-dex

a reply to: DexterRiley

If I got wind that you were all in camps, I would be forced to find a way to get to America, and make little hats out of the faces of your captors. And trust me, I really, REALLY do not like the idea of passing through a TSA security check point. Not in the least. On the upside, everyone gets a face hat !

How many more times do we need to see this pattern?

It always begins with the least popular groups, obviously Moslems via "terrorism".

And then its rolled out to everyone else.

So before you start jumping up and down in support of Trump's Moslem registration, take a moment to realize that it will affect the rest of us in due time.

a reply to: gladtobehere

How many more times do we need to see this pattern?

I guess until everyone understand how the game is played.... and understand that if we don't stand up for everyone's rights, we won't have any rights left.

They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin


i think that quote fits in nicely here.