Electoral college, why vote if our votes don't matter?

a reply to: 200Plus

I am def getting the sense that what you say is true. It's almost like this is a conspiracy debunking forum infested with freemasons who are under false enlightenment but will defend their programming to the death like any good Monarch would.

There is a reason they call themselves EL-ites. El means God so it is like calling yourself a godite. Nobody ever notices that about the word elite. Or that sun and son are purposely the same sound so people who worship Jesus are inadvertently worshipping the sun. Son of God or sun of God, both objects of worship and no coincidence.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

The reason some students don't learn the material is mostly due to the fact that a lot of them are lazy and don't want to learn or pay attention in class! Apathy towards education is wide spread today. Although, it is more prevalent in inner city schools. What's alarming is high schools across the country are dumbing down their curriculums to accommodate this apathy. The bar has been lowered both in high schools and colleges.

In my school district, teachers are told to keep tests to one page! Two or three pages are just too much for these kids to handle. Two years before I retired from teaching, they told us to allow students to retake tests after school! If that was done when I was in high school many students would have taken advantage of it. Believe it or not, teachers would only get maybe 1 or 2 students at the most showing up after school to retake a test. Most of them would fail again because "study" isn't in their vocabulary.

a reply to: Mryhh

Wow, you figured it out. Shut off the internet.

a reply to: WeRpeons

Sadly, you appear to be correct in your assessment.

a reply to: Mryhh

Okay so you're confusing the electoral college with super delegates which on the democrat party uses. Because we the people are the electoral college essentially.

The electoral college votes according to popular vote in any state.
Even Florida in 2000. Remember hanging chads and lost votes from Broward county? Those votes mattered enough to take the election to the supreme court.
Hey I voted for Gore but still respect the process. Every vote matters.
People don't let others steal this right away from you. Vote.
Or that other guys choice is being made for you. VOTE

a reply to: awareness10

Your vote matters.

a reply to: Mryhh

No. Your point is relevant. Every single vote matters because the college has to vote for the winner of the popular vote. A few states are are allocated by percentage but most states are winner take all


Here is a list of t h e electorates for 2012. I don't see a list for 2016.


www.archives.gov...

originally posted by: Sillyolme
Here is a list of t h e electorates for 2012. I don't see a list for 2016.

Those are released once the nominees are determined at the conventions.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
a reply to: Mryhh

Do they not teach this in civics classes anymore?

Sure they do but on here we're not school kids and we're all old enough to have forgotten what we learned.
That and the fact that not everyone in the class was equal in their learning ability.
We all like to think we were the smart kids but the truth is different. Some kids weren't too smart .

PS. It's not called civics class anymore. It's been social studies since I was in school and I graduated high school in 75.

originally posted by: Sillyolme
Sure they do but on here we're not school kids and we're all old enough to have forgotten what we learned.

This is a pretty important aspect of civic government to 'forget', on par with forgetting how the three branches of our Federal government interact.

PS. It's not called civics class anymore. It's been social studies since I was in school and I graduated high school in 75.

Yeah, okay....

Civics

“We learn more by looking for the answer to a question and not finding it than we do from learning the answer itself” –Lloyd Alexander

Course Description

Civics is a required course for graduation and covers several aspects of government. Civics will explore the origins of the American democratic system while looking at how the constitution embodies the values and purposes set up by the founding fathers. The structure and function of the government will be analyzed on a national, state, and local level while showing how each level is interrelated. This will launch the class into discussing how constitutional values relate to other nations and world affairs. Throughout the course we will focus on how the people play an active role in government and the importance each citizen contributes to society. Source

a reply to: Mryhhinformationstation.org... m_campaign=googlegrants2015&gclid=CIHOm_HmuMsCFVg6gQodl-QAYQ
Wow don't know what that mess ^^ is. LOL

a reply to: Sillyolme


Thank you. I remember social studies, it was geography and history combined and my first D was in it in tenth grade because the teacher hated me and I wasn't interested in ancient city-states or that cheese ball version of American history that I knew even then was sanitized. Old crank.

Electoral college was never brought up, I learned that from t.v. in the Bush vs Dukakis 88 election. I was in elementary school, and didn't totally understand but I knew it was funky because the overall vote wasn't what mattered and they had a point system. We even did a mock election and I voted for Bush. I as a kid loved George H.W. Bush. I did an oral report where you could use notes and forgot my notes but new his authorized biography by heart and I nailed it and got an A+ and my teacher was impressed that I didn't need note cards even though I had actually forgotten them. Sorry, I am reminiscing, I'll stop.

a reply to: Kali74

If it's real it's not a conspiracy and if it's a conspiracy it's seldom found to be real.
I find that a good gauge.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Where do you purchase your ideology from the official canon of conformist agenda online? How much does it cost to be "in the know" like you?

I'm busting balls. Anyone who has to use other people's words to inform you of something is immediately in my opinion, pushing someone else's agenda. Most likely.

We know how the system works, we don't like it.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: Mryhh
How the hell do I know what they teach in civics class?

Because if you are still in school you should be learning this and if you are out of school you should have learned this. I was taught about the electoral college in junior high.

Are you trying to distract from the topic because you support such corruption?

Just because you do not understand how something functions does not make it corrupt.


You want to learn something? Read this thread by Schuyler who explains the necessity of the Electoral College quite well.

........or you can read this. It explains why the electoral college isn't a "necessity" nowadays.

"When the Constitution was written, the typical voter had few opportunities to learn about presidential candidates, so the job of choosing the President was given to the Electoral College: Electors, who were appointed by their states, were better educated than average citizens, who were not thought capable of making an informed choice.
Today, with universal education, TV, radio, newspapers, and the Internet, voters can learn about candidates for themselves. And they should be trusted to choose their President.
The Electoral College is unfair in several ways. First, it gives more weight to votes cast in small states. (Each state's electoral votes are equal to the number of members it has in the House and Senate combined.) Second, because the Electoral College is "winner take all" in all but two states (Maine and Nebraska), people who disagree with the majority in their state are not represented. Finally, the system allows the election of a President who does not have the support of a majority of voters.
Without the Electoral College, candidates would campaign to get as many individual votes as possible in every state, instead of focusing on states that provide key electoral votes. Each vote would make a difference and voters would feel they truly had a stake in the elections, which could lead to increased voting across the country. With a system of direct election, all votes would be equally important and equally sought after. We need to abolish the Electoral College and make our presidential elections one person, one vote".
www.scholastic.com...

originally posted by: Mryhh
Where do you purchase your ideology from the official canon of conformist agenda online?

No, mostly from Jefferson/Madison political views and Libertarianism.

Anyone who has to use other people's words to inform you of something is immediately in my opinion, pushing someone else's agenda.

Well, maybe one day we can all be such free thinkers as you as to never need to read what others have to say on a topic and absorb all of our knowledge via osmosis.

originally posted by: UnBreakable
........or you can read this. It explains why the electoral college isn't a "necessity" nowadays.

I did and I agree with the 'yes' portion of the essay.

a reply to: UnBreakable

In any election there has to be losers. You saying that if you don't agree with the majority you are not represented is true because majority wins.