Somalian Imam who came to Italy as refugee planning attack in Rome train station!

This article appeared yesterday and relates to a Somalian Imam who came to Italy as a refugee and who was arrested on Wednesday morning as he was going to carry out an attack on that day in a train station in Rome.

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Question is how many more people like him have also used the refugee crisis to sneak themselves into Europe as a refugee. This man had been listened to for a couple of months by intelligence and thankfully was caught. We are told a million refugees came to Europe last year but I would say the number is far higher than that now as that figure has been quoted since last November. By now Europe are probably looking at 1.5 million.

Lets just say 1% of those refugees are jihadists, potential terrorists then we are looking at a small army! If you then think that like this Imam they have attempted to recruit others then the numbers could be far greater.

I knew this would be happening last year and said the same on here. I was certainly not alone with these concerns last year as I know many Europeans and British could also see the dangers as clear as daylight. So why couldnt European Leaders see the dangers of bringing people in from countries where terrorism is rife and why are they still making those same mistakes by now doing a deal with Turkey who it is rumoured is supporting terrorism!

Something has happened in Europe this past couple of weeks which has seen a change in rhetoric. I find it really bizarre this sudden hard stance at the Macedonia border and all along the route. I think our Leaders know there is something big being planned and I believe they now know the dangers they have put Europe in.

Interestingly this man was arrested in Italy. We now hear very little about this migrant route and it makes me wonder how many Europe have let in through Italy whilst everyones eyes have been turned on Greece.

I think the damage is already done in Europe. They have placed everyone in grave danger. I dread to think what will happen when they start handing visas out in Turkey!

very good that they caught him, great police work and tragedy avoided.
They are using our sense of humanity and compassion to infiltrate and destroy us.
Our own humanity is a weakness these types of people are trying to exploit and it needs to change.
Time to stare into the abyss.

Where are you from in Europe? What are your thoughts on the deal with Turkey? I just find it deeply worrying that Europe are prepared to let Turkey choose who to send to Europe! If rumours are to be believed they are aiding and abetting ISIS!

As someone rightfully pointed out the other day Turkey will keep the refugees who are doctors etc and highly skilled and send Europe the refugees who are least skilled and who will be more dependant on financial help!a reply to: IShotMyLastMuse

a reply to: anxiouswens

And fear wins again.

Here's the thing. If a man with a machete is standing on one side of a bridge, and you the other, fearing him is a waste of neurochemicals. Long fear, extended fear, fearing the wolf before it reaches your door, is a waste of your time, and means that your reaction, if and when something DOES happen, will be less effective.

Fear when something is right on top of you will sharpen your instinct, lend strength to your body to fight (yes, fight, not flight, or hide, but to take your enemy to task). Fear without immediate, mortal threat to ones life, is wasteful, counterproductive, and much worse than all that, it is weak. It achieves nothing positive, while handing victory to those who inspire it in you.

a reply to: TrueBrit

Nothing positive at all, truly? Fear is a survival instinct, and foresight is healthy. You can prevent a lot of terrifying situations by fearing them in advance. Or, you can be fearless until that guy is within a foot of you with his machete, and since you had no fear, you were not prepared. I'd prefer to "fear" a threat as soon as I realize there is one and take action regarding it. Ever watch deer or an animal like that? I like to watch them from my window, but I have to be sneaky, as if they see so much as my shadow inside the house move they bolt. According to you, this is useless, but it is an instinct they have (as people do) for very good reasons. You don't wait to solve problems once it is so big you have to immediately fear for your life.. you take preventative measures. And to do that, truly, you need a little bit of fear.

It depends on what your definition of weak is. I am a female so physically I am weak compared to a man. However, I am not mentally weak, I am very independent and dont rely on any man in my daily life. I am not a feminist though. I quite enjoy a man opening a door for me or making me feel protected.

Fear uf it rules your daily life is bad but fear is also very healthy and is needed to survive. It allows us to know when there are dangers on the horizon and to be alert to them.

If animals sense danger and fear they deal with that danger by chasing the danger away before it enters their territory.

Believe me if it ever came to it I would fight to the death for my child.

I fear you are the one who will be took unaware. You are dealing with people who have used your kindness and generosity and see them as weakness. They have been allowed to use such weaknesses to their advantage by infiltrating refugees. You will onoy realise this when the hand you hold out in kindness is ripped from your arm. Unfortunately your weaknesses and our Leaders weaknesses have put the rest of us in danger!a reply to: TrueBrit

Good on the Police for the interception before any mayhem.. That is one out of your 1.5 M ish refugees and I do realise we have had a few other related stories although not so much as terrorist and more anti social type crimes.. And and Of course RT news will portray these events in the best light as Russia is looking to smooth everything along as per usual.. Some on here must be disappointed that the machine guns are not yet rattling and sleep is not being disturbed by booms and dust.. Crime happens always has always will and I for one hope the police continue to do the best job they can to keep us all safe.

a reply to: anxiouswens

Our leaders hubris, meddling, proxy warmongering, and decades of crapping on the Middle East and North Africa have put us all in danger. That is the ONLY causative factor here.

In terms of fear, you are simply wrong about how it ACTUALLY works. Being aware of a possibility is not fear. Being prepared for anything, at any time is not fear. Indulging in fear and letting it dictate how you view the world however, IS counter productive, and only counter productive. It DOES increase the likelihood of freezing up when threatened, it does NOT create an effective response. I know this, because I have lived in dangerous places, and been through things which could very well have killed me, if I had not had the split second fight response that I needed to protect my life and crush my assailants.

I know whereof I speak, and given the choice between a sudden need to act, and a long, drawn out presence of fear chemicals in the brain, I will take the sudden rush every time, because it actually works, as opposed to locking ones limbs up and preventing any action being taken.

originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: anxiouswens

And fear wins again.

Here's the thing. If a man with a machete is standing on one side of a bridge, and you the other, fearing him is a waste of neurochemicals. Long fear, extended fear, fearing the wolf before it reaches your door, is a waste of your time, and means that your reaction, if and when something DOES happen, will be less effective.

Fear when something is right on top of you will sharpen your instinct, lend strength to your body to fight (yes, fight, not flight, or hide, but to take your enemy to task). Fear without immediate, mortal threat to ones life, is wasteful, counterproductive, and much worse than all that, it is weak. It achieves nothing positive, while handing victory to those who inspire it in you.

As someone who lives where wolves roam, I tend to just shoot the wolf when its too close to my home.

Do you lock your doors at night? Why? Is it fear?

Don't mistake some peoples prudence for fear.

a reply to: Wardaddy454

I would never mistake prudence for fear.

That is precisely why I am so angry with some of my fellow countrymen, who believe that their fear is prudence. Until someone is within just beyond striking distance from my precise geographical location, they are no threat to me in the least, nor to anyone around me. Until such time as that changes, there is no reason to react in any way what so ever. If that status changes, then someone is going to get their face ripped clean off, but the will and instinct to do that is not aided by wasting chemical resources on nonsense far from our reach.

I havent changed anything in my life. I carry on as normal. I still go to restaurants, cinema, swimming pools etc and enjoy myself with my child and friends. You make it sound like I am rolled up in a ball in a corner. I am merely reporting on yet anothet atrocitu that has been stopped, whilst at the same time seeing that yet again this is someone who has managed to come to Europe to cause harm under the disguise of a refugee, same as the men who carried out atrocity in Paris and the same as numerous other cases where people have had plots foiled in recent werks.

Where you and I probably do differ in everyday life is that when I go anywhere now which is a crowded and public place I take a moment to look for escape routes. You may see this as neurotic but I just see it as giving myself and mh child the best chance of surviving should a man with a AK47 decide to start randomly shooting. Afterall we keep being told by intelligence it is not IF but WHEN. So next month I will still go and visit my nephews and nieces in London but I will be more aware of my surroundings than I would have bern.a reply to: TrueBrit

a reply to: anxiouswens

I think you have some misapprehensions of your own.

First of all, regardless of the intelligence services and their totally untrustworthy announcements, I look for entry points, escape routes, and potential tactical options provided by my surroundings, all the time. Why? Because I know I am far more likely to get caught up in an armed robbery, or a fight between rival criminal organisations, or attacked by a lone madman, or mugged, than I ever am to be caught up in anything geopolitically relevant.

These events would not be as big of a deal in terms of the headlines, but they are far more likely to occur on balance of probability, and could just as easily result in my death. Response to any armed threat is identical, regardless of the intentions of the individual who poses that threat. You end them. You do not run, turning your back on an enemy is foolish, you do not just hide, you find a way to take them out of the equation. It might mean staying out of sight until you can strike with minimal exposure to their weapons, but the aim should always be to terminate the threat for your own safety and that of people around you.

I am always conscious of my surroundings, mindful of access. But I only actually recognise threat when it is actually present, and the reason for that is that only when a threat presents itself, can you actually deal with it. Thinking about it before hand, except to be mindful of your surroundings and how you might use them best to hoodwink and kill your enemies, is folly, as is linking the idea of threat to a specific religious belief, skin tone, or nation of origin.

I will tell you this for free, you are many times more likely to be bludgeoned to death by a schizophrenic with a ball peen hammer, than you ever are to be blown up or shot by a terrorist. Worrying about terror, preparing for that, rather than preparing yourself for statistical likelihoods much greater than terror attacks, is a waste of your time. A total waste of your time, and energy.

a reply to: TrueBrit

Way to deflect from an interesting story.
How exactly has fear won again?
The OP presented an interesting report on a foiled terrorist attack and all you can focus on is cries of fear. I don't see any particular indications of fear in the opening post, just reasoned opinion.

Do you wish to shut down discussion on anything to do with the potential risk of terrorists sneaking into Europe under the guise of refugees?
Admittedly the risk to ourselves is less than getting struck by lighting but the possibility remains.

I don't live in fear of Islamic terrorism same as I didn't live in fear when the IRA were bombing us, but I reserve the right to discuss it in a reasoned manner.

The OP is not unreasonable to muse that if just 1% of the migrants to Europe are terrorist sympathisers then that would be a good 10,000 in situ.
Now, personally I do not hazard a guess but for the sake of debate it is an interesting thought, and I think you shooting her down with cries of fear is rather pompous at best.

If you do not wish to discuss the OP on-topic then why did you post in the thread? Just to belittle her as a fearmonger? Is that your game now?

a reply to: anxiouswens

I found this quote in the article rather chilling:

The cleric’s views were so extreme that some worshippers opted to drop out of his services, the police said

So, some worshippers opted to drop out of his services.
I wonder how many agreed with what he preached, they are still walking free.
Clearly there are more of his ilk in Europe, but yeah, let's just shout people down as fearful instead of having a rational discussion about what clearly is a threat to security.

a reply to: grainofsand

This is not a game, mine or anyone else's.

Thousands upon thousands of serious, violent crimes go largely unnoticed every year, and the media, ably assisted by people who will share the hell out of anything remotely terror related, ignore all but the incendiary, sensational and polarising news.

All I am saying, is that this focus is bogus, it is by no means the biggest threat we face, or the most immediate.

a reply to: grainofsand

I think the damage is already done in Europe. They have placed everyone in grave danger. I dread to think what will happen when they start handing visas out in Turkey

Sounds a bit fearmongery to me.

a reply to: TrueBrit

Start a thread about it then instead of derailing the OP's with your cries of fear.
I think the conversation is interesting and worth discussion, if you don't then I don't know what you are involving yourself here for...aside from derailing.

a reply to: Hazardous1408

She has a valid point, there could be many problems if Turkey gets the free movement of people in Europe.
That is worthy of discussion and only a fool would be unconcerned with the potential outcomes.

a reply to: grainofsand

damage is done

grave danger

dread

Whatever, guy, that's fear mongering at its finest.

What you find to be a "valid point" others think is an irrelevant sound bite.

So we are fools for having a differing opinion to the fearmonger?

How pleasant you are.