CNN: GOP Debate

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

Buzzy, Hillary consistently gets 80-85% of the African-American vote...especially in the South.

a reply to: IAMTAT

Again, TAT, the south is done. They have voted. Michigan is a very integrated population - lots and lots of black people there - and he WON.

He also won the Latino vote in their debate earlier this week. He got a standing ovation. That was a CNN/Univision, bilingual event....and he WON that debate, there is no question about it.
She's sunk.

Also - it would help if YOU get behind him like you say you really are, instead of dismissing him. Be The Change you want to see!!!

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

I'd really like to believe you're right. Tell you what...If Bernie can beat her in Florida and Ohio...I'll agree with you.

P.S. I already agree with you that he won the last debate against her.

a reply to: IAMTAT

Perfect. I think he will.

Meanwhile, there's no harm in discussing how he would do against any of the GOP contenders....he beats ALL of them by bigger margins than she does.

Or at least, that's what I understand from reading head-to-head predictions on RCP.
Scroll through to see the head-to-head data.
Sanders smokes all of them!

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

Do you really think Hillary Rodham Clinton will just go gracefully into the night?

I WANT to see this country go anti-establishment on BOTH sides. It's a matter of returning power to the people.
Nevertheless, the Washington insiders will not give up easily.
As to whether Sanders can beat Trump...I'm going to reserve judgement for now.

a reply to: IAMTAT

Who cares how "gracefully" she goes!! The people are speaking. And in any case, Bernie's platform has pulled her WAY TO THE LEFT.......

The people who wanted Obama see that while he did an "adequate" job in some areas, he did not deliver what a stronger President might have done. An obstructionist Congress was largely to blame for that - how do you think she'd fare with Congress if "the Dems" DON'T win back the Senate? ---- (Because that's her latest tack - saying "Let's keep doing what Obama did, but we need the Dems to win back the Senate!")


More of the same is what will happen. Green Eggs and Ham from Cruz and other idiots. If she thinks riding on Obama's coattails will work, she has more thinking to do.



Oh, and also - about the GOP debate. "Common Core" and education came up. Sadly, no one mentioned that Texas (Cruz-land) has chosen one of the most backward Evangelical creationists they could find to dictate what goes into textbooks.....


Texas Republicans Find Craziest Person in State, Aim to Put Her in Charge of School Textbooks


And also, also:

Why Bernie May Have a Better Shot at Winning in November Than Hillary

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

Be fair. For a good portion of Obama's term ...and for the initial two years after Obama was elected, he had free reign to pass whatever he wanted...and the Dem establishment controlled the Presidency AND the Senate..with Harry Reid not even bringing up house bills for a votes in the Senate.

I also agree her running as a third Obama term is a bad plan.
Do you think the DNC will allow Sanders to be elected, if she goes down? Biden and Gore are waiting in the wings...just like the RNC has Romney/Ryan.

a reply to: IAMTAT

Do you think the DNC will allow Sanders to be elected, if she goes down?

"Allow"?

Well, if she goes down, it's too late for Biden or Gore. Gore is already a blemished victim anyway - (I don't think GW Bush got the presidency fairly).....and Biden is sort of yawn.

And now that Elizabeth Warren's name has come up to fill the Scalia vacancy, well - I really don't think either of them have a chance at this point.
I never said she would "gracefully pull out" of the election - she won't. She'll fight to the end.

a reply to: IAMTAT

Be fair. For a good portion of Obama's term ...and for the initial two years after Obama was elected, he had free reign to pass whatever he wanted...and the Dem establishment controlled the Presidency AND the Senate.

I am being fair.
I voted for Obama, twice. I'm very disappointed. So are millions of other people.

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

You ARE being fair, Buzzy...and I'm enjoying the fact that we can find some common ground here.
I think if Sanders can actually put Hillary down...he will find he has the gratitude of a lot of Republicans; myself included.
IF he does win Ohio and Florida...he has to watch his back...the Republicans will still not be his biggest threat at that point.
Hillary is nobody to turn your back on.

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: IAMTAT

Do you think the DNC will allow Sanders to be elected, if she goes down?

"Allow"?

Well, if she goes down, it's too late for Biden or Gore. Gore is already a blemished victim anyway - (I don't think GW Bush got the presidency fairly).....and Biden is sort of yawn.

And now that Elizabeth Warren's name has come up to fill the Scalia vacancy, well - I really don't think either of them have a chance at this point.
I never said she would "gracefully pull out" of the election - she won't. She'll fight to the end.

Why do you think it would be too late for Biden? He is beloved by most Democrats. His name is, of course, well known.

When Hillary is removed from running, Biden could step in without missing a beat. Hillary says she is a continuation of Obama, and Biden is cut from that very same cloth.

Trump would have to work harder, imo, to beat Biden. Hillary would be a walk in the park with her record and reputation.

a reply to: queenofswords

Why do you think it would be too late for Biden? He is beloved by most Democrats. His name is, of course, well known.

When Hillary is removed from running, Biden could step in without missing a beat.

Hillary is already struggling as the heiress apparent by proclaiming 'continuation' of Obama's policies.

If Bernie's success causes her to step down, what makes you think that Biden (who would also offer simply a "third Obama term") could surpass him?
Bernie has a lot, lot, lot of momentum right now.

Bernie's record and reputation are also very strong, where hers are not.
They even asked her the other night how she feels about being "distrusted" - people don't just blindly trust her.

originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: queenofswords

Why do you think it would be too late for Biden? He is beloved by most Democrats. His name is, of course, well known.

When Hillary is removed from running, Biden could step in without missing a beat.

Hillary is already struggling as the heiress apparent by proclaiming 'continuation' of Obama's policies.

If Bernie's success causes her to step down, what makes you think that Biden (who would also offer simply a "third Obama term") could surpass him?
Bernie has a lot, lot, lot of momentum right now.

Bernie's record and reputation are also very strong, where her's are not.
They even asked her the other night how she feels about being "distrusted" - people don't just blindly trust her.

Do you think, however, If she didn't have the scandals and trust issues would she be beating Bernie?

a reply to: queenofswords

I don't know. But she does have the scandals, so it doesn't really matter.
Still, Bernie is taking on Wall Street, while she is their pockets. Everyone knows that.

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

Devil's advocate...IF, hypothetically-speaking, Hillary gets the nomination...and chooses Bernie as VP, would you vote for her?

a reply to: IAMTAT

Yes, I would.
I'm not as upset with Obama's outcomes as some people are - I understand his premises, and that he was fought tooth and nail on EVERYTHING he wanted to do by obstructionist, peurile spite.

Green Eggs and Ham? To shut down the government?

I wouldn't even be terribly disappointed if Trump wins - I think he, of the four, is actually capable of having serious negotiations with others, and is good at finding compromises.

Cruz will forever be - in my mind's eye - forehead-flicked by his daughter, and eating a booger onstage, and the smarmy, sleazy, yuck-voice, who NO ONE LIKES. No one.

Rubio is an upstart kid.
Kasich would be okay, too.

a reply to: BuzzyWigs

Thanks.
I will support Trump only if he has a non-establishment/non-insider running mate.
IF there is a brokered convention, and the Republican elites foist a Bush, Romney or Rubio on us...I will stay home...I might even consider Sanders.
Hillary Clinton will NEVER get my vote.

So, in a race between Hillary and Trump, would you STILL go for Hillary w/o Sanders as a running mate?

a reply to: IAMTAT

Honestly, Bernie also has the DNC to watch out for. I think in the end they are more or less heading in the same general direction, but I think the last thing the DNC wants right now, especially with Trump revolt going on, is to have to more or less back someone who is going to run as an open socialist.

It brings into the light a truth they aren't yet ready to admit to the US voting public because they guess, more or less rightly, that the water isn't quite at a boil.

a reply to: IAMTAT

So, in a race between Hillary and Trump, would you STILL go for Hillary w/o Sanders as a running mate?

I can't answer that right now for sure - I'm undecided. At this moment, I would choose Trump over her. A lot would depend on who the running mate is.

The only other person besides Bernie that I would be fine with as VP is Elizabeth Warren.

If Trump chooses Cruz, NO WAY!! If Trump chooses Ben Carson - well, maybe. If he chooses Kasich, even better. If he chooses Rubio, again it would depend on who was running with Hillary.