Shawna Cox Video from Inside LaVoy's Truck

originally posted by: imitator

originally posted by: Xcathdra
Finicum had multiple opportunities to have a peaceful resolution to this and at every opportunity he chose to continue the escalation.

It was pretty much peaceful until the cops started shooting the truck while they where driving,

By "peaceful" and "driving"...do you mean fleeing the police and FBI while armed? Or rushing full speed toward a roadblock?

setting up an ambush road block etc....

This is getting old...Calling a felony arrest an "ambush" is just plain dumb..

NO...It is not an "Ambush"...just cuz the criminals were white and country...

.it really doesn't matter if LaVoy was reaching for a gun, he was already being shot at in the truck. The dude is a hero for taking gun fire away from the truck.

He very nearly got those women killed because he didn't want to go to jail.

He knew there was a warrant out for him..

No warrant out for the Shawna and Victoria...

He could have stepped out of the truck at the first stop and surrendered.

He could have told the women to exit the car then, just like Ryan Bundy?...

He didn't get out because he didn't want to go to jail..

He didn't tell the women to leave the car because he hoped their presence would protect him while he fled.

Nothing heroic there..

what we have here is a man challenging the police with the suicide terrorist mentality of accepting death to prove a point. its not the cops job to guess is you have a gun or not (and he did), its your job to follow orders and if you disobey and pose any threat to their safety, they can eliminate the threat.

i get pulled over i dont run, i dont get out of my car, i dont reach for anything, and i follow orders. just because he had an agenda doesn't mean he is allowed to do anything any other person can't. he doesnt get a free pass.

a reply to: Xcathdra

The worst sniper in the history of the FBI apparently...and then conveniently forgot to tell the investigators he fired at all when asked.

a reply to: Indigo5

Go to google maps and look at the road. Why was the road block setup on a blind turn when there were huge stretches of straight road? Everything else you said I agree with. he should have complied at the first stop.

a reply to: Indigo5

Mistake? Medial to the nipple means in the center of the nipple. Another Mistake? It clearly says BELOW the nipple. You are reading two different exit wounds. How bad are you at this bro? Section 3c. Page 2

Gunshot exit defect BELOW and medial to left nipple.

That means in the middle of the nipple below it.

You are confusing the entry wound and the exit wound. The entry wound went between the ANTERIOR (back) 4th and 5th rib, and exited BELOW THE PECTORAL on the left side center of the nipple.

But hey, by all means say I am lying. The only one who has consistently shown to be dishonest is you. There is a whole other thread with your drivel. "3 shots, pop pop pop. No prior shots..."

Turns out that narrative WAS a lie. You just happened to be gullible enough to believe it and even worse, repeat it.

a reply to: Xcathdra

You Nailed it. There were many ways this escalation could be prevented.

1. Don't take over federal land
2. Surrender after you take over federal land
3. Obey officer instructions when you get pulled over
4. Don't try to run a roadblock
5. Don't jump out of the car

You also hear right before they take off to locate their own guns. These people were armed, and they presented a threat. If my son/daughter was at the roadblock, I would be asking them to defend themselves.

originally posted by: Xcathdra
@ several posters talking about the same thing give or take.

I have tried to put the info / laws / court rulings / police procedures out there and attempted to show the LEO side of this situation from a law enforcement perspective.

You have and I appreciate your input. All of what occurred and why must be considered. Thank you!

a reply to: Riouz

Although I admit things would be different if he stepped out of the vehicle at the first traffic stop

Roger that. Failure to comply is failure to comply. I didn't count how many times Levoy sad just shoot me, dude had a death wish. Thats no solution, neither is driving off. Neither is repeatedly shouting shoot me as he gets out and pushes them to comply.

Suicide by cop. He endangered all of them by refusing to comply. Of course, the ultimate goal of law enforcement planned in advance was to interdict these guys and jail them, effectively removing the Oregon standoff leadership from the equation.

They would have best served their cause by subjecting themselves to due process, they hadn't done anything illegal up to the point Levoy put his foot on the accelerator to leave the scene. This would have been borne out in court, they would have their charges dropped and been able to go on with their demonstrations against BLM somewhere else.

Instead, he wound up in the morgue… game over.

The five member, elite FBI Hostage Rescue Team is under investigation for two reasons. Twice during the post-investigation they denied firing weapons -- the two shots fired at LaVoy when he exited his truck at the road block. They didn't report these shots as is required and when asked they said they did not fire.

This team goes all over the world as needed, from what I read at "The Oregonian," and I can justifiably surmise they operate under a very different set of rules/guidelines.

They're also under investigation for actions taken after LaVoy was dead which are not being named and are still under investigation.

a reply to: mzinga

Occupy Wall Street...

Did they issue felony arrests for those people?

a reply to: Ne3rka

I share your fear about civil war erupting in this country since the occupation started and I felt the same way in 2014 about the Cliven Bundy ranch stand-off. The tension across the country is palpable.

You have a good perspective on the roots of these stand-offs from working in the natural resource field.

originally posted by: raymundoko
a reply to: Indigo5

Mistake? Medial to the nipple means in the center of the nipple. Another Mistake? It clearly says BELOW the nipple. You are reading two different exit wounds. How bad are you at this bro? Section 3c. Page 2

Gunshot exit defect BELOW and medial to left nipple.

That means in the middle of the nipple below it.

Medial means TOWARD the center of the body..

Medial: 1. Pertaining to the middle; in or toward the middle; nearer the middle of the body. Medial is as opposed to lateral. For example, the medial side of the knee is the side closest to the other knee whereas the lateral side of the knee is the outside of the knee.

www.medicinenet.com...

Not "in the middle" like you claim. Not in the middle of the nipple.
For various purposes I have had experience with medical reports before.

How bad are you at this bro? Section 3c. Page 2

Here is 3c page 2 is Gunshot #3

Gunshot exit defect below and medial to the left nipple

That is toward the center of the chest (medial) and below the nipple .

So where exactly?

Gunshot #3 EXIT wound

It is located 48 1/2 inches above left heel and 3 1/2 inches left of anterior midline

Anterior means front of the body.
Midline means center.

3.5 inches to his left of the center of his chest.

48 1/2 inches from heel?

Subject is 67 inches

midline is the hip ball joint ...about 33/34 inches

the nipple is at 6/8ths of 67 inches...or 75% of 67 inches..

The nipple is 50 inches from heel

The bullet exited at 48.5 inches from heel..

Within an inch below the nipple and 3.5 inches from the center of his chest.

Body proportions here (and anywhere else you want to find them)
ametystical.deviantart.com...

So NO...that 3rd gunshot exit wound was NOWHERE NEAR HIS LEFT WAIST...it was between his left nipple and center of chest and an inch at most below that nipple.

Autopsy again here
media.oregonlive.com...

Everything above is NOT OPINION...It is scientific, mathematical fact..

It is strange to be personally and repeatedly attacked for citing literal words in an Autopsy report while you are claiming it says something it doesn't.

This isn't personal..

You are welcome to have a different opinion..

But attacking people personally for doing math or citing text from a report you yourself are citing??

You are angry at facts...fine..but don't take it out on people looking to discuss those facts.

a reply to: raymundoko

Why would they? All OWS did was camp out on public property. What the guys in Oregon did was seize a federal building, damaged and destroyed federal property, and stole federal property. Comparing this to OWS is like apples and oranges.

a reply to: raymundoko

Were they armed? That was a peaceful sit in. Did they run a roadblock at high speed? Were they challenging law enforcement to get blood on their hands. They weren't instructed to get out of a car at a stop. They weren't holding anything by force. HUGE difference.

You guys standing up for these idiots are insane. There were many many chances the 'occupiers' did not accept for a peaceful outcome. As soon as they put law enforcement lives at risk, they were fair game.

a reply to: mzinga

The sit in at the ranger lodge was not peaceful? They didn't even encounter any employees while they were there...

You realize your bad logic right? The occupy protesters didn't have to get rowdy (I was there, they were quite invasive) because all city, state and federal enforcement just left well enough alone so they could make their point. To be clear, the park is not PUBLIC,it is just publicly accessible. Zuccotti park is privately owned and the owners did not want the protesters there. The NYPD prevented the park owners from removing the protesters.

Source

"Zuccotti Park is intended for the use and enjoyment of the general public for passive recreation," said Melissa Coley, vice president of investor relations and communications for Brookfield, in a statement.

"We are extremely concerned with the conditions that have been created by those currently occupying the park and are actively working with the City of New York to address these conditions and restore the park to its intended purpose."

The OWS encampment also had sexual assaults and robbery happening among the protesters and the DHS was beginning to get worried that they could spark violence.

Source

After several weeks of occupation, protesters had made enough allegations of rape, sexual assault and gropings that women-only sleeping tents were set up.[161][162][163][164] Occupy Wall Street organizers released a statement regarding the sexual assaults stating, "As individuals and as a community, we have the responsibility and the opportunity to create an alternative to this culture of violence, We are working for an OWS and a world in which survivors are respected and supported unconditionally... We are redoubling our efforts to raise awareness about sexual violence. This includes taking preventative measures such as encouraging healthy relationship dynamics and consent practices that can help to limit harm.”[165]

It was revealed that an internal Department of Homeland Security report warned that Occupy Wall Street protests were a potential source of violence; the report stated that "mass gatherings associated with public protest movements can have disruptive effects on transportation, commercial, and government services, especially when staged in major metropolitan areas". The DHS keeps a file on the movement and monitors social media for information, according to leaked emails released by Wikileaks

Did Lavoy run a roadblock before or after a felony warrant was put out for him based on a peaceful sit in?

a reply to: Indigo5

Nobody is angry at facts except you. I never said he had a wound at his waist. I said on his left side. To think someone who is in a stressful situation will even be able to grab their wound on the exact spot is preposterous. When I broke my leg I grasped at my thigh even though it was my fibula that was broken. The pain was so excruciating I couldn't get my body to bend all the way down to the broken bone. It took minutes before the shock to my system wore off enough that I could properly react to the situation.

So all you did was spout of a bunch of crap that agrees with me. he had a wound under his left pectoral. You are arguing with yourself to try and support your narrative.

Edit. You've linked the autopsy report several times. How about you actually read it.

Source

It is strange to be personally and repeatedly attacked for citing literal words in an Autopsy report while you are claiming it says something it doesn't.

You mean like where you said the exit wound was above the nipple? You were grievously mistaken and got corrected as you have done several times. I think it's an accident because you are lying to yourself.

3 shots, pop pop pop, no prior shots

I am not going to let you forget that one. A total lie, and you believed it and defended it ad nauseam.

a reply to: Xcathdra

X....The ruling i showed you is also applied in other states not just that one. Still your a former cop so its always gonna be you ar egonna stick with the other cops.. its just how they condition you all. Think like a conspiracy theorist instead of a cop. this is suspicious and awfully directed. they KNEW th ereaction when firing at FInicums vehicle at the first stop. they also knew he would not put people he knew at risk and he didnt ram the roadblock.

The gun that didnt belong to finicum is a red flag too.

Here's the full combined video from the Oregan newspaper, the guy that shot Lavoy was only a few yards away..it was lucky that other police didn't get hit by that shooter. I need to look again to see, or rather hear if shots were fired at the car before Lavoy was killed, though it does seem there were, that he was shot in the back by a small arms weapon from the policeman on the road is not so good either, these are virtually crossfire positions, and there are more police behind a SUV vehicle also in the line of the rifle shooter. They had to know who was in Lavoy's car, they also knew where he was going...a protest meeting, the very opportunity to make the road blocks to detain them. I think it's a bit stinky, at the very least not very professional.

originally posted by: yuppa

The gun that didnt belong to finicum is a red flag too.

His friends and family may say that 9mm doesn't belong to him, but this photo posted by OPB.org on 20 January, 2016 shows Finicum at Malhuer wearing a very similar pistol.


Gun reportedly found in Finicum's left inside pocket:


Of course, there is no way to be certain it is the same pistol found in his coat pocket.

a reply to: Olivine

That pistol looks similar? One is all black and the other is black and silver. Did you really not notice that? Completely different guns. Also, he did not have his shoulder holster on him when he was killed.