Top NASA Official Jailed Under Suspicious Circumstances

a reply to: SargonThrall

I see you missed my point. You have been denying a conspiracy this whole thread, which implies that the FBI's explanation is correct, over the original author's theory.

This is a gross oversimplification. The OP's theory is BS; the person in question is not the "architect" of NASA's "Never A Straight Answer" policy. There is seething malice in the OP's posts that is disproportional to what is actually known. He interprets his inability to track someone down on his own computer as evidence that someone has been "disappeared" by mysterious government agencies.

This being your premise, you have defended a pedophile. I have no idea where you got "only two" images from, so you clearly didnt read any of the articles. Lawson admitted to having 6-800.

Lawson "confessed" to a crime that could get him sentenced to psychiatric evaluation, rather than say nothing and allow the FBI to start looking for crimes like espionage, treason, and sabotage. There may be more to this story than meets the eye, but most of the lynch mob here are looking in the wrong direction. (In the article quoted in the OP, there was a single photo actually found. The 600-800 figure was "admitted." Other articles claim that 600-800 images were "found." I am wrong about the number "two," I'm not sure where in the thread it was introduced, but I don't mind admitting I was wrong in using it as I did.)

One of two things is true: he is a pedophile, or he is not. If he is, you defended a despicable human being for no other purpose than to disparage the thread author. If he is not a pedophile, then the FBI and NASA lied to cover up something

I am not defending a pedophile, I am defending the right of a citizen not to be tried in the court of public opinion. Also, why do you assume that it is the FBI and NASA that are lying to cover something up?

What I object to in this thread is, first, that it is founded on a series of lies. The person in question was not a top NASA official... he doesn't even seem to be a NASA employee, but a sub-contractor. There have been strained attempts to interpret his job description to make him look more important than he is. Let me translate the bureaucratic bafflegab for you: "He's that 'Compliance Guy' from IT." You know, that guy who sends everyone emails reminding you that your password for the intranet has to be different than your password for your email....

Next, it is using what is clearly a moral failure on the part of a single individual to tar an entire agency. Whether or not this IT worker was a pervert, or claimed to be a pervert to avoid prosecution for crimes carrying a more serious punishment, it is preposterous to speculate that the contraband was "planted" by NASA to discredit him. There is no reason to believe he knows where the (alien) bodies are buried, much less was about to reveal what he knows.

ATS exists, among other things, to expose corruption on the part of our public servants, government, and corporations. In this capacity, it is sometimes necessary to reveal personal wrong-doing. If exposing sexual misconduct can reveal the hypocrisy or vulnerability to blackmail of a public person, so be it. But that is not what this thread is about.

ATS does not exist to exploit the suffering of private individuals. Now that it is clear that the subject of this thread is not a high ranking government official, but just some dirty old man, there is really no point in its continuation. This is like those ghoulish threads that accuse the parents of murder victims of being "crisis actors," denying that they even had children who were murdered.

Some people on this thread are advocates of a panopticon society; one in which there is no right to privacy. They spin it to sound as though "we the people" have a "right to know," and that there should be no secrets. Of course, if there are no secrets, and everyone has the "right to know," then governments and corporations, being composed of people with the "right to know," have the "right to know" all of your secrets. (It's all for the common good, don't you know.)

ATS does not exist to defame private individuals. It does not exist to encourage people to stalk strangers. It does not exist to spread inflammatory rumors.

Okay, some sick, stupid guy got busted for downloading porn on company time. What's it to you?

a reply to: DJW001

Bla bla bla ...bleh bleh-bleh ... If we go by your reasoning no events should be investigated , no actions analyzed , lets take the word of the government and live in our cozy world .. Wait whats the need for ats then ?

originally posted by: DJW001

Lawson "confessed" to a crime that could get him sentenced to psychiatric evaluation, rather than say nothing and allow the FBI to start looking for crimes like espionage, treason, and sabotage. There may be more to this story than meets the eye, but most of the lynch mob here are looking in the wrong direction. (In the article quoted in the OP, there was a single photo actually found. The 600-800 figure was "admitted." Other articles claim that 600-800 images were "found." I am wrong about the number "two," I'm not sure where in the thread it was introduced, but I don't mind admitting I was wrong in using it as I did.)

Not to specifically comment on or contradict this post, but I wanted to make sure the source material was clear to everyone.

I don't recall if it's actually be introduced in the thread yet, but this is the article I relied on earlier:

Orlando Sentinel Article dated 8th March 2016

Lawson pleaded guilty in August to one count of possessing child pornography. He faces up to 20 years in prison.

He was to be sentenced in November, but both sides agreed to a delay then defense attorneys had him evaluated by a psychologist, who last month concluded that he was mentally incompetent to proceed, according to court records.

Lawson had collected thousands of images of underage boys, those younger than 12, involved in sex acts, records show.

Among them were images from hidden cameras he had placed to photograph boys whom he met while working with an unidentified local charity, according to court records.

I believe this might have been the article triggered by an earlier poster contacting the reporter.

Please note that "one count" doesn't mean they only found "one photo". It means they weren't going to have a separate count/decision on each one of the thousands of images. The "one count" was a blanket count covering all the images.

Also, I slipped up a little. I think I said earlier they were waiting for a decision on whether he was mentally competent. He's already been found to be mentally incompetent, they are waiting to see if a second opinion contradicts or supports this. Doesn't really affect the rest of my posts but wanted to clarify.

Edited to add: You asked where the "two photos" came from - this was from another case also discussed in the thread, where someone had downloaded lots of porn including two that were considered to be child porn.

a reply to: EvillerBob

So then we know what happened to him, where he is and what he was being sentenced for.

Well this sure put's a damper on the OP and his theory of him disappearing.

So we know he is a kid porn downloading perv who isn't a top man at NASA that got caught and admitted to it.

Well that shows the whole premise of this thread is a lie.

a reply to: EvillerBob

Edited to add: You asked where the "two photos" came from - this was from another case also discussed in the thread, where someone had downloaded lots of porn including two that were considered to be child porn.

Thank you. There are so many red herrings being posted on this thread that I'm not sure what the story is supposed to be.

originally posted by: Foxtrot7x
a reply to: DJW001

Bla bla bla ...bleh bleh-bleh ... If we go by your reasoning no events should be investigated , no actions analyzed , lets take the word of the government and live in our cozy world .. Wait whats the need for ats then ?

You didn't bother to read what I posted, did you? It's the government that needs to be investigated, not private citizens like you or me... even if we have our dirty little secrets.

a reply to: Foxtrot7x

He was investigated for security breaches meaning he was caught using a secure network tlo go to unsecure sites...a security breach.

So instead we take the word pf someone on a conspiracy site making a conspiracy out of nothing.

Briliant thing to do.

originally posted by: tsurfer2000h

So then we know ... where he is...

Oh that's great. You are the greatest tsurfer2000h! Sorry for being so retarded, but can you repeat where, exactly, for my benefit?

Many thanks.

originally posted by: confusedbutnotidiot

originally posted by: tsurfer2000h

So then we know ... where he is...

Oh that's great. You are the greatest tsurfer2000h! Sorry for being so retarded, but can you repeat where, exactly, for my benefit?

Many thanks.

Exactly? Exact might be a bit of a tough call. How "exactly" do you need? He's in custody awaiting a second opinion before sentencing. Not vanished by the black helicopters or taken away by the aliens, or whatever else it is people seem to think might have happened.

Convicted with mental health problems = forensic adult mental health system. He was previously in Wuesthoff Medical Center and they appear to be set up for forensic patients. It would seem logical that he was still there pending sentencing.

Unfortunately most of the instructive stuff will be sealed away: US v LAWSON

Though, just to be snobby, I note that "Dr. Olander" is a psychologist, not a psychiatrist.

a reply to: EvillerBob

I wasn't at all saying you blamed anyone. I had written my reply post before you, but got a text and replied several minutes after you -- pointed out your correction. And as such, your take and remarks on the whole thread, in my opinion, have been the most sensible, logical, and pragmatic. Bang up job. I've starred most of your posts (and if you write like this in all your posts, I'm disappointed you haven't received more stars [im sure it's not important to you just my observation]. Hope you continue to contribute in the thread. Cheers.

a reply to: confusedbutnotidiot

So did your question get answered?

It helps if you read what other's post.

originally posted by: tsurfer2000h
a reply to: confusedbutnotidiot

So did your question get answered?

It helps if you read what other's post.

No. EvillerBob hypothesized that Lawson is at Wuesthoff Medical Center pending sentencing. But sentencing takes a few days. Not a year. So EvillerBob is probably wrong.

Also, I have heard about many people in situations analogous to that which Lawson was allegedly in. In all of them, the person being escorted out had very strong counter-arguments about why he has been victimized, set up, etc. Indeed, that is the only reason anyone pays and arranges for a special armed escort, which all other employees can see. It is done out of a fear that the fired person feels victimized, and would resist or try to retaliate. It causes a lot of chatter at work when it happens, so it isn't the normal way someone leaves at all. It is a very rare card to be played.

Assuming Lawson is as logical as others in similar situations, why would Lawson want us to NOT know about what happened to him?

You might say, oh is knows he is guilty and doesn’t want us to know about it. There are two problem with that argument.

First, if Lawson is alive and knows he is guilty, there would not be this motion from him to seal the records, since Lawson would have just pleaded guilty if he was ashamed of anything. (If you plead guilty, you don’t need a lawsuit or trial. A trial and lawsuit is only needed if you plead not guilty, or, if you are deemed unresponsive, your lawyer presumably does this on your behalf and for your own good.)

Second, there is NO WAY anything that could be revealed in court (if the case had not been voluntarily sealed) could possibly be MORE embarrassing than it already is to Lawson. LETTING PEOPLE LIKE US KNOW WHAT HAPPENED CAN ONLY BENEFIT THE GOVERNMENT, YET THIS WAS ALLEGEDLY A VOLUNTARY SEAL BY LAWSON! And the only reason the government would not want us to know is if they have done something horrible to Lawson, and have, therefore, also (in addition to arranging for their opposition to seal the case) had to ask their shills here to do their job (telling us there is nothing to see here, move along), as is readily apparent.

This case, 6:15-cr-164-Orl, is in pacer.gov. You need to enter a credit card #, but anyone can download all the motions for this case for free, so long as the total charge is less than I think $15. I'd like us to get some more info posted here about this case. Can someone log into pacer and download the pdfs of the motions and upload them at www.docdroid.net... ? Many thanks. Be sure you stay under the $15 limit.

a reply to: confusedbutnotidiot

Have you noticed after a certain article was posted the OP has yet to return to his thread, well thst's because his whole premise was shown to be wrong and the man in question is still being held til sentencing.

The man was not a top man at NASA, he was a nobody that got caught downloading porn at work.

But hey keep up the ridiculousness by acting as though the world is wrong and this thread is right...that should keep you busy with a non conspiracy for a while.

a reply to: EvillerBob

I imagine the unidentified charity is Big Brothers of America.

From his LinkedIn page:

Mentor
Big Brothers Big Sisters of America
June 1992 – Present (23 years 10 months)Children
Long term volunteer. Not currently registered with the agency, however, I continue to mentor "Little Brothers" I was matched with, now in their early 20s.


Causes Donald cares about:
Animal Welfare
Children
Poverty Alleviation
Social Services

a reply to: confusedbutnotidiot

Were you present when he was arrested? I got the impression that he was arrested at home, not at work, so I'm not sure what you're talking about. You also seem to think that he is capable of logic and reason, which is odd considering how unreasonable what he is charged with doing is. Finally, mental hospitals are governed by confidentiality agreements.

originally posted by: confusedbutnotidiot

No. EvillerBob hypothesized that Lawson is at Wuesthoff Medical Center pending sentencing. But sentencing takes a few days. Not a year. So EvillerBob is probably wrong.

Oh, dear God.

For the gazillionth time, just as it says in the newspaper articles, sentencing has been delayed until a second psychological assessment has been completed. That delay, as of a few days ago at least when the article was published, is still ongoing.

Given that an order to seal was made on the 4th of Feb, it seems a fairly safe guess to say that the order refers to this second assessment, so it may well now just be waiting for the court to set a date for the hearing (if that date hasn't been set already).

There are reasons why it can take a while for an assessment to be completed. For example, if they are titrating medication then it would be hard to correctly assess him until his condition has stabilised - how long this needs varies significantly from specific case to specific case, but it could be days, weeks, even months.

originally posted by: confusedbutnotidiot

Also, I have heard about many people in situations analogous to that which Lawson was allegedly in. In all of them, the person being escorted out had very strong counter-arguments about why he has been victimized, set up, etc. Indeed, that is the only reason anyone pays and arranges for a special armed escort, which all other employees can see. It is done out of a fear that the fired person feels victimized, and would resist or try to retaliate. It causes a lot of chatter at work when it happens, so it isn't the normal way someone leaves at all. It is a very rare card to be played.

Where did the "special armed escort" come from? I only find reference to security officers, which I'd expect somewhere like NASA to have anyway.

Why is it odd that someone would be physically escorted off the premises after being terminated for this sort of offence?

I would have thought that there would be a policy of some kind restricting access to sensitive areas by "non-staff", making an escort required anyway.

originally posted by: confusedbutnotidiot

You might say, oh is knows he is guilty and doesn’t want us to know about it. There are two problem with that argument.

First, if Lawson is alive and knows he is guilty, there would not be this motion from him to seal the records, since Lawson would have just pleaded guilty if he was ashamed of anything. (If you plead guilty, you don’t need a lawsuit or trial. A trial and lawsuit is only needed if you plead not guilty, or, if you are deemed unresponsive, your lawyer presumably does this on your behalf and for your own good.)

Again... oh dear GOD.

Lawson pleaded guilty. This has been mentioned multiple times throughout the thread, with links to the reports confirming it.

originally posted by: confusedbutnotidiot
Second, there is NO WAY anything that could be revealed in court (if the case had not been voluntarily sealed) could possibly be MORE embarrassing than it already is to Lawson. LETTING PEOPLE LIKE US KNOW WHAT HAPPENED CAN ONLY BENEFIT THE GOVERNMENT, YET THIS WAS ALLEGEDLY A VOLUNTARY SEAL BY LAWSON!

This would be an excellent place for a Florida-based lawyer to comment, but I'll put some shiny coins on it being relatively common, if not standard, for mental health evaluations to be sealed.

A mental health evaluation would fall under HIPAA and should ideally remain confidential. If entered into court as evidence (which it would be in this case) then it should be made available to the public. Sealing it allows patient confidentiality to be maintained. That's pretty much what happens in my jurisdiction, I'd be surprised if the approach wasn't similar in Florida.

You may or may not be aware but a mental health evaluation can potentially contain a lot of information about other people that wouldn't ordinarily come out in a trial, so sealing those records can also be about protecting those around the patient.

There are many good reasons to seal those records. There are many things that could potentially be far more embarrassing. Some people also just dislike the idea of publicly airing their dirty laundry more than absolutely necessary. My bet is still on "it's a standard part of the process".

I should point out that I'm typing this post while sitting next to a locked cabinet full of restricted psychiatric reports on people convicted to some pretty horrible crimes. I have a lot of professional experience in this kind of scenario; the main problem I run into is cross-jurisdictional differences mean I'm making some (educated) guesses about elements of the process in this specific case.

originally posted by: confusedbutnotidiot
And the only reason the government would not want us to know is if they have done something horrible to Lawson, and have, therefore, also (in addition to arranging for their opposition to seal the case) had to ask their shills here to do their job (telling us there is nothing to see here, move along), as is readily apparent.

I wish someone was paying me to do this. I'm actually doing it out of the kindness of my heart. There may well be an interesting story here, but the entire thread is about creating a fantasy-fiction based on lack of understanding how court cases and mental health issues work together.

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: confusedbutnotidiot

Were you present when he was arrested? I got the impression that he was arrested at home, not at work, so I'm not sure what you're talking about.

The reports indicate that he was fired and escorted from the work property. The arrest occurred at least a few days later.

Orlando Sentinel

Lawson was arrested in June. He had worked for NASA or a contractor for 30 years, specializing in communications security, he wrote on LinkedIn, but he was fired on May 29.

As he was being escorted off NASA property, security officers seized nine personal electronic devices. When they searched them later for proprietary information, they discovered photos of underage boys.

a reply to: EvillerBob

The reports indicate that he was fired and escorted from the work property. The arrest occurred at least a few days later.

So there was no reason to cause a scene at the time.

a reply to: confusedbutnotidiot

Second, there is NO WAY anything that could be revealed in court (if the case had not been voluntarily sealed) could possibly be MORE embarrassing than it already is to Lawson.

Well according to Florida laws you cannot seal these court cases.

Charges that may never be Sealed:

Arson;
Aggravated Assault;
Aggravated Battery;
Illegal use of explosives;
Child abuse or Aggravated Child Abuse;
Abuse of an elderly person or disabled adult, or aggravated abuse of an elderly person or disabled adult;
Aircraft piracy;
Kidnapping;
Homicide;
Manslaughter;
Sexual Battery;
Robbery;
Carjacking;
Lewd, lascivious, or indecent assault or act upon or in the presence of a child under the age of 16 years;
Sexual activity with a child, who is 12 years of age or older but less than 18 years of age, by or at solicitation of a person in familial or custodial authority;
Burglary of a dwelling;
Stalking and Aggravated Stalking;
Act of Domestic Violence as defined in §741.28;
Home-invasion Robbery;
Act of Terrorism as defined by §773.30;
Manufacturing any substances in violation of §893;
Attempting or conspiring to commit any of the above crimes;
Sexual misconduct with developmentally disabled person and related offenses;
Sexual misconduct with mental health patient and related offenses;
Luring or enticing a child;
Sexual Battery and related offenses;
Procuring person under 18 for prostitution;
Lewd or lascivious offenses committed upon or in the presence of persons less than 16 years of age;
Voyeurism;
Florida Communication Fraud Act (Scheme to Defraud or Organized Fraud, as used in §817.034);
Lewd or lascivious offense upon or in presence of elderly person or disabled person;
Sexual performance by a child;
Offenses By Public Officers and Employees;
Showing, selling, etc., obscene literature to minor;
Computer pornography;
Selling or buying of minors;
Trafficking in controlled substances;
Sexual misconduct with mentally deficient or mentally ill defendant and related offenses
A violation of any offense qualify for registration as a sexual predator under §775.21 or for registration as a sexual offender under §943.0435.

www.rubinolaw.com...

So exactly what are you talking about?

A defendant cannot seal the court case without the court doing so, and as shown above you can't seal a court case voluntarily on your own.

Especially one's involving what he did.

originally posted by: tsurfer2000h
a reply to: confusedbutnotidiot

So exactly what are you talking about?

A defendant cannot seal the court case without the court doing so, and as shown above you can't seal a court case voluntarily on your own.

Especially one's involving what he did.

Again things are getting mixed up. It's an ongoing issue where specific words have specific meanings in specific contexts, but they are being thrown about by people who assume that everything is interchangeable. Attempting to clarify this is apparently shilling for the government. If had known, I would have sent the US government an invoice.

The mental health assessment prepared for the court has been sealed, meaning that one specific document has been removed from public view. A link to that order was provided earlier, called US V LAWSON.

The case itself has not been sealed.

i think the "voluntary seal" bit comes from the fact that it was Lawson (or his representative) that requested the assessment was sealed. I still reckon that this is actually standard practice, not that Lawson specifically asked for it to happen.