9/11 Experiments: The Force Behind the Motion

a reply to: hellobruce

Nah he meant that anyone can clearly see plain as day that the same plane did NOT hit the Pentagon, since we have never seen any clear evidence at ALL of a plane AT the pentagon.

Care to show us any evidence of a plane at the pentagon save for pictures of parts that do not fit the narrative that were taken 2 weeks or more later ?

originally posted by: ParasuvO
a reply to: hellobruce

Nah he meant that anyone can clearly see plain as day that the same plane did NOT hit the Pentagon, since we have never seen any clear evidence at ALL of a plane AT the pentagon.

Care to show us any evidence of a plane at the pentagon save for pictures of parts that do not fit the narrative that were taken 2 weeks or more later ?

Your first part clearly contradicts the second part. You want to see pictures of plane parts but he isn't allowed to use the pictures you don't want to see because they show plane parts? Hmmm......

originally posted by: ParasuvO
Care to show us any evidence of a plane at the pentagon save for pictures of parts

So you want evidence, but refuse to accept pictures that show 757 parts at and in the Pentagon.... as you know they will estroy your silly conspiracy theory!

originally posted by: scottyirnbru


For the doubters, could anyone of you tell me how many people need to be involved to organise and carry out this utterly massive cover up? Once you've hypothesised a number, can you explain why it's managed to stay silent?

I also wonder

originally posted by: Informer1958
a reply to: wmd_2008

I think Mr Cole needs a refresher on how scale models WORK & building design.

That is your opinion.

Care to demonstrate scientifically how Mr Cole examples are all wrong?

Well consider this if people make scale models do they not do it ACCURATELY ?

If you made a scale model on one of the Towers at 1/100th of life size it would be

Just over 13.5 feet high
Floors would be just over 2 ft square
The FLOOR SLABS would be just over 1mm thick !!!!!!
The supports holding the floor trusses would be about 0.2 mm thick.
The materials used would be similar to the real thing.

Now can even YOU see the flaws of his model !!!!

As for his claim that pancake collapse cant happen.



During construction of the above building the floor slab at the top had a support failure the collapse stop at the ground.

The main problem with the Towers was the fact that floors could fall internally.

a reply to: hellobruce

Are you aware of the Pentagon's reputation for mendacity?

Nobody was allowed to inspect or examine any of those parts we were shown. How do we know they are authentic when we cannot view them? We are forced to take the word of a bunch of known liars, and that is not scientific in the least.

a reply to: Salander

Nobody was allowed to inspect or examine any of those parts we were shown. How do we know they are authentic when we cannot view them? We are forced to take the word of a bunch of known liars, and that is not scientific in the least.

The parts were inspected and the serials matched up.
You don't want to accept it because you were not the one doing the inspection.

originally posted by: MALBOSIA
a reply to: Dragoon01

So Al Pachino did it!?!?!?

He paid the port authority to bury the evidence, paid the 9/11 commision to not investigate, dodged a million man hours of FBI investigation and gave NIST a deal they couldnt refuse?!?!?

Holy cow!!! Does Joe Pesci know about this?

Spare me.
I didnt say the mob DID it! I said the building may have been poorly constructed and so when the planes hit them they collapsed in a manner that was not consistent with how they were designed. They failed because of the poor construction.
Thats a completely different animal than your stupid strawman assertions.

originally posted by: ParasuvO
a reply to: hellobruce

Nah he meant that anyone can clearly see plain as day that the same plane did NOT hit the Pentagon, since we have never seen any clear evidence at ALL of a plane AT the pentagon.

Care to show us any evidence of a plane at the pentagon save for pictures of parts that do not fit the narrative that were taken 2 weeks or more later ?

Except that there were dozens of witnesses that were driving on the highways beside the Pentagon that SAW THE PLANE HIT THE PENTAGON!

a reply to: Dragoon01

Except that there were dozens of witnesses that were driving on the highways beside the Pentagon that SAW THE PLANE HIT THE PENTAGON!

Never lets facts stand in the way of a good conspiracy.

a reply to: samkent

The parts were inspected and the serials matched up.

Source please.

The fact is, the FBI was on TV stating the plane crashes were not investigated.

originally posted by: Salander
Nobody was allowed to inspect or examine any of those parts we were shown.

Apart from the relevant experts.... but they did not let conspiracy theorists examine them, like every other crash!

How do we know they are authentic when we cannot view them?

Please detail the crashes when any nutter is allowed to view the parts....

originally posted by: Informer1958
The fact is, the FBI was on TV stating the plane crashes were not investigated.

Link to that claim please....

a reply to: Informer1958

No comment on Cole's then

originally posted by: Informer1958
a reply to: samkent

The parts were inspected and the serials matched up.

Source please.

The fact is, the FBI was on TV stating the plane crashes were not investigated.

An American Airlines mechanic identifies the part with serial number on the Pentagon lawn: (photo source: "Pentagon 9/11" 911files.info...)

The link is now down.

a reply to: Informer1958

The fact is, the FBI was on TV stating the plane crashes were not investigated.

You are right FBI doesn't investigate planes crashes. That is job of NTSB (National Transportion Safety Board) They investigate crimes

Hijacking aircraft and crashing it into buildings is a crime....

a reply to: hellobruce

September 16, 2001: Usual Investigative Procedures Not Followed in Examining Flight 93 Wreckage

A report suggests the crash site of Flight 93 is being searched and recorded in 60 square-foot grids. [NEWS JOURNAL (WILMINGTON, DE), 9/16/2001] This approach is preferred by Wallace Miller, the local coroner, and Dennis Dirkmaat, a forensic anthropologist involved in searching the crash site.

According to journalist and author Jere Longman, “The distribution patterns developed from such precise marking of airplane parts, remains and personal effects might have told them such things as exactly how the airplane struck the ground. Theoretically, by associating the location of particular remains with the location of parts of the airplane, they may have also gained some clues about which passengers had rushed the cockpit.”

However, almost a year later Longman reports that this approach was not followed: “The FBI overruled them, instead dividing the site into five large sectors. It would be too time-consuming to mark tight grids, and would serve no real investigative purpose, the bureau decided. There was no mystery to solve about the crash.

Everybody knew what happened to the plane.” [LONGMAN, 2002, PP. 262] While the FBI claims there is no mystery, some news articles suggest the plane was shot down. (For example, [PHILADELPHIA DAILY NEWS, 11/15/2001; INDEPENDENT, 8/13/2002] ) In addition, at the time of this decision, investigators are still considering the possibility that a bomb might have destroyed the plane (see September 14, 2001). Unlike every other major airplane crash in modern history, no National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) investigation is being conducted into the crash of Flight 93 (see After September 11, 2001). [LAPPE AND MARSHALL, 2004, PP. 40-41]
Entity Tags: Federal Bureau of Investigation, Wallace Miller, Dennis Dirkmaat

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F.B.I. Counsel: No Attempt Made By F.B.I. To Formally Identify 9/11 Plane Wreckage

F.B.I. Counsel: No Records Available Revealing ID Process Of Recovered 9/11 Plane Wreckage

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originally posted by: Dragoon01

originally posted by: MALBOSIA
a reply to: Dragoon01

So Al Pachino did it!?!?!?

He paid the port authority to bury the evidence, paid the 9/11 commision to not investigate, dodged a million man hours of FBI investigation and gave NIST a deal they couldnt refuse?!?!?

Holy cow!!! Does Joe Pesci know about this?

Spare me.
I didnt say the mob DID it! I said the building may have been poorly constructed and so when the planes hit them they collapsed in a manner that was not consistent with how they were designed. They failed because of the poor construction.
Thats a completely different animal than your stupid strawman assertions.

Ya ya..when you got nothing else, blame the mob. I guess a simple investigation would sort out your assertion but it sounds like you are saying that the mob was able to stop any meaningfull investigation from exposing them as the reason the buildings collapsed so easily. Missing rivots and wrong gauge of iron would be easily derected, how did the city inspectors and engineers avoid any questions about the approved specs and what was found in the rubble? The mob again? The port authority? Does NIST answer to either? FBI didnt get wiff of any interference in the investigation? Mob control them too?

"Stupid straw man assertions"?!?!?! Right back at you bud. Lay off the movies.

You can admit that the building gave little resistance but rather than look at something that makes sense, you revert to decades old folk lore glorified in the movies to fill in the blank?

a reply to: scottyirnbru

You can't figure it out ?

We do not see any plane parts that match what is said to have crashed there.

Let us know when you have ANY evidence that the same plane crashed there, the same model or anything at all the SAME.

You guys love to use this technique but do not like it in reverse ??

originally posted by: firerescue
a reply to: Informer1958

The fact is, the FBI was on TV stating the plane crashes were not investigated.

You are right FBI doesn't investigate planes crashes. That is job of NTSB (National Transportion Safety Board) They investigate crimes

Hijacking aircraft and crashing it into buildings is a crime....

So they thought it best to not check the scenes of the crimes which happened to be where all the planes crashed ??

I guess you are right, they were just everyday normal plane crashes, ONLY the NTSB need be there !