AZ Repulicans freak out when atheist gets to speak opening prayer

I found this to be pretty interesting. Republicans love to say that liberals are intolerant, but this is about as intolerant as you can get. They're mad because one of their colleagues, who is an atheist, finally got to say the opening prayer for their session and being an atheist, of course, he didn't thank god for whatever reason the Republicans think lawmakers who are supposed to uphold the constitution's ban on endorsing religion should invoke god's name.

Anyways, I think the whole idea of prayer in government is ridiculous, meaningless and blatantly unconstitutional, and I can't believe that any adults in the 21st century would have such antiquated thinking, but apparently many still do.

www.huffingtonpost.com...

a reply to: CB328

Anyone offended by something silly should be fined and thrown in jail for 30 days!

It's a shame when grown ass men and women are offended by mere actions and words!


I was going to put /end sarcasm at the end of that bit, but I think I am serious.......

Found a video on people's feelings, fits perfectly!

a reply to: CB328

Why would an atheist want to say a prayer anyway? Did you ever think that the only reason he wanted to pray is to insult those that did?

He says he's an atheist who's moral but wants to pray to insult those that believe and pray to God.

If you're an atheist you have no reason to pray

Come on people, critical thinking skills, please.

I'm an atheist....... why would I lead a prayer?

originally posted by: shinethelight

Why would an atheist want to say a prayer anyway? Did you ever think that the only reason he wanted to pray is to insult those that did?

That's their shtick. It has nothing to do with equality, and never has. It's all about spite, a most conspicuous form of hatred.

a reply to: shinethelight

"We need not tomorrow's promise of reward to do good deeds today," Mendez said in his invocation. "For [while] some may seek the assistance of a higher power with hands in the air, there are those of us that are prepared to assist directly, with our hands to the earth. Take these words to heart as we move this great state of Arizona forward. It is our responsibility to honor the Constitution and the secular equality it brings. And so shall it be."

That didn't sound so bad to me. During the invocation he was speaking to the legislative body and not to God. Apparently, that's a problem.

So he spent his chance to give the invocation to insult his colleagues and separate himself from them.

As an Atheist myself I'd have to say it's douche moves like this that give us a bad name.

Now I'm sure he's felt insulted by some of the upidty invocations he might have heard by those giving a religious pray; buy that's really no excuse for him doing the same thing when given the chance.

"It's not time to be proselytizing even if you're proselytizing something that's not a religion," she said, according to Fischer.

If only she'd have said that when Montenegro started proselytising after Mendez's speech.

Keep religion out of government for Christ's sake.

originally posted by: CB328
I found this to be pretty interesting. Republicans love to say that liberals are intolerant, but this is about as intolerant as you can get. They're mad because one of their colleagues, who is an atheist, finally got to say the opening prayer for their session and being an atheist, of course, he didn't thank god for whatever reason the Republicans think lawmakers who are supposed to uphold the constitution's ban on endorsing religion should invoke god's name.

Anyways, I think the whole idea of prayer in government is ridiculous, meaningless and blatantly unconstitutional, and I can't believe that any adults in the 21st century would have such antiquated thinking, but apparently many still do.

www.huffingtonpost.com...

Who was an atheist praying to, Stalin, Marx, Dawkins?

a reply to: shinethelight


He says he's an atheist who's moral but wants to pray to insult those that believe and pray to God.


From source:

He encouraged lawmakers to "accept each other for our differences" and suggested that religious faith isn't necessarily a prerequisite for having a moral compass.

So, where's the insult..? I see it, but do you?

Let me help you...your perception of the situation is the insult.

Being offended by someone else's view is acceptable, albeit ignorant, but to twist it in order to satisfy your own beliefs is straight up asinine.

Sucks to be you...

a reply to: ButsDuge

You know what? I'm an atheist and I disagree. Maybe those lawmakers should stop praying to God for guidance and seek it for themselves. They shouldn't let 'Jesus take the wheel' they should drive the damn car. Maybe this is what this particular lawmaker felt, his colleagues were shirking their responsibilities by assuming that it's all part of God's plan and they needed to invoke Him every morning.

Its only fake outrage when the commie leftist do it, when the right does it its for the love of murika

I'm atheist and now I'm also confused. A prayer without invoking God... is it a prayer?

originally posted by: NthOther

originally posted by: shinethelight

Why would an atheist want to say a prayer anyway? Did you ever think that the only reason he wanted to pray is to insult those that did?

That's their shtick. It has nothing to do with equality, and never has. It's all about spite, a most conspicuous form of hatred.

That's not typically the case. I don't believe in god. I got some family I don't talk to and it's not because I feel like having a theological conversation with them, they have shoved it down my throat since I was a kid. I'm alright with anyone believing whatever they want as long as they leave me alone and aren't hurting anybody. In this case I would have just passed on my turn in the prayer line because why do it unless I'm trying to prove a point?

Looks like only a couple of us actually read the article.


Fake outrage is fake outrage.

a reply to: links234

Maybe that's exactly how he felt ... and maybe he's right ... maybe your right for agreeing with him.

But all of that is besides the point ... using the morning pray to lecture at theists is a douche move. It's an unforced error. He would have spent his time more wisely making his higher points about diversity with out the lecturing ... he could have pointed out the many commen grounds between himself and those he was talking to and praised that if he didn't want to praise God

Buy he didn't; he proved to all those who where denying him his chance to give the invocation that they were right in their thoughts about him.

His was no victory for athletes.

originally posted by: links234
a reply to: ButsDuge

You know what? I'm an atheist and I disagree. Maybe those lawmakers should stop praying to God for guidance and seek it for themselves. They shouldn't let 'Jesus take the wheel' they should drive the damn car. Maybe this is what this particular lawmaker felt, his colleagues were shirking their responsibilities by assuming that it's all part of God's plan and they needed to invoke Him every morning.

Also an atheist here. I wish the people who constantly invoked Jesus actually did let him take the wheel. I don't think following the teachings of Christ is a bad thing. I wish I could be more like him, but I don't know how a lot of people who want to claim him as their savior and guiding light can be so far removed in their actual actions.

a reply to: seeker1963
Thrown in jail over what you think huh?

Ironic.

a reply to: ButsDuge

So he spent his chance to give the invocation to insult his colleagues and separate himself from them.

Did you read his words?

Where was the insult?

a reply to: Keplero

What? You never heard of meditation? Or Poetry?