Police shoot mother to death in her bed.

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KANSAS CITY, Kan. (CN) - After awakening a naked woman in her bed, Kansas police shot her to death when she complied with their order to show them where she kept her gun, her daughter claims in court.

More of the usual I'm afraid. There was a recent similar incident www.thedailysheeple.com... and it is equally disgusting.

But I do look forward to witnessing the mental gymnastics some of you will try to use to justify this, there are always a few.

originally posted by: SharonGlass
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KANSAS CITY, Kan. (CN) - After awakening a naked woman in her bed, Kansas police shot her to death when she complied with their order to show them where she kept her gun, her daughter claims in court.

More of the usual I'm afraid. There was a recent similar incident www.thedailysheeple.com... and it they are equally disgusting.

But I do look forward to witnessing the mental gymnastics some of you will try to use to justify this, there are always a few.

See here si where people ned to be careful. let th e cops get th e gun. not you. otherwise they will shoot you. Oh an also say you have a hidden camera incase they think they are smart. they will think twice about shooting you.

a reply to: SharonGlass
Don't you know that an inebriated and naked, 115 pound woman sleeping in her bed is a threat to public safety? /sarcasm

Seriously, there are pieces missing to this story. It makes no sense as it is written. I'd like to read more of the finer details. I'm not saying I don't believe it. Nothing the jack-booted thugs do surprises me any more, but I think there are bits that have been left out of the story to make one side or the other look better or worse.

a reply to: SharonGlass

Sounds like she should have told them where the gun was and not pulled it out.

I'm not defending the cops here, but I know for damn sure I would have told them where it was and kept my hands in plain sight.

We get the police called on us every weekend because we shoot a lot. When we see them roll up, all firearms get set down and we take a few steps back.

Need more info here before I make a judgment.

a reply to: KawRider9

Maybe she didn't know exactly where it was, and was searching around the bed with her hands, obviously, under police supervision. She is quoted as saying "Oh, here it is." before they shot her.

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Ummm...wow your right...all of four posts in and we already have some Olympic gymnast qualifiers...go figure...




YouSir

originally posted by: Klassified
a reply to: SharonGlass
Don't you know that an inebriated and naked, 115 pound woman sleeping in her bed is a threat to public safety?

Seriously, there are pieces missing to this story. It makes no sense as it is written. I'd like to read more of the finer details. I'm not saying I don't believe it. Nothing the jack-booted thugs do surprises me any more, but I think there are bits that have been left out of the story to make one side or the other look better or worse.

I agree about this story not being quite right. No competent cop would ever let you locate a weapon. They would ask you where it is, and they would get it. So, either there's a lot more to this story, or they were very incompetent cops.

a reply to: YouSir

Yup. I don't know why they say there is alot of cop hate on this site. I usually just see everyone defending them unless they throw a grenade in a babys crib.

a reply to: Okeyd57

or they were very incompetent cops.

What's new?

I wonder how many patriots lost their lives in the American struggle for independence... only to have propaganda cover it up, or make it look like an act of self-defense in the favor of the British?

Even though they are unknown to the documents of history, they were far better people, and their legacy far more cherishable than the scum redcoats, I mean cops', that are doing so now. Propping up a doomed elite will not be looked upon kindly when the straw that breaks the camels back finally lands......

originally posted by: YouSir
a reply to: SharonGlass


Ummm...wow your right...all of four posts in and we already have some Olympic gymnast qualifiers...go figure...

YouSir

Where exactly in the first four posts do you see anyone defending the police, or justifying the murder of this woman? Being realistic and objective as much as possible is not "mental gymnastics". The story is missing some details, and I would like to know what those details are. Not such a stretch.

I wonder who called the police? So the people in the house felt in danger as she slept?

originally posted by: roadgravel
I wonder who called the police? So the people in the house felt in danger as she slept?

Her boyfriend called the police, claiming she was drunk, suicidal, and had fired the gun in the house. Read the articles for more.

"During this time, officers came and went from the room. They looked under the sheets of the bed." They stayed in the room "with the naked, 115-pound woman" and finally gave her a sweatshirt to wear, according to the complaint.
After repeatedly demanding, "Where is the gun?" and "We know you have a gun," Deanne finally "complied with officers' request and produced a handgun, stating, 'Oh, here it is.'"
Then they shot her to death.

Why didn't they just cuff her and sit her in the living-room and then search the bedroom?

No, They know she's drunk and naked but still after 8 minutes of questioning learn nothing new and then shoot her?

At-least they were nice enough to allow her to get a sweatshirt on before they opened up on her.

a reply to: SharonGlass

I wonder why you don't tell all the details of the story. Real news sources say she did NOT obey the police commands. Link below, and several more on google. Seems that the news story contradicts your story.


www.ksh... b.com/news/region-kansas/police-woman-in-gardner-officer-involved-shooting-failed-to-follow-officers-verbal-commands

a reply to: stolencar18

might want to fix that link, because I would like to read it.

Ok, I read it. Don't care. I have seen too much, and heard lies under oath, and read false reports, had statements supposedly said by me written for me and presented in court.

I don't believe ANYTHING they say.

I know criminals with badges when i see/hear/smell em.

a reply to: SharonGlass

This isn't mental gymnastics: A bit more information

An investigation into the fatal shooting of a Gardner woman by police on March 26 indicates she did not obey the officers’ orders to drop a handgun, according to Olathe police. The case will now be reviewed by the Johnson County District Attorney’s Office.

Gardner police responded to a report of a disturbance shortly before 9:45 p.m. in the 400 bock of North Birch Street. Deanne Choate’s boyfriend called police to say she had fired a gun inside the house. When officers arrived they shot the 53-year-old woman, who died at the scene.

According to a statement released Wednesday, the multijurisdictional Officer Involved Shooting Investigation Team spent about 400 hours looking into the case and concluded that Choate did not obey a police command involving a handgun. Two officers fired, killing her.

See, the mental gymnastics come into play when you present a very one-sided, emotionally driven account of the incident based on the grieving daughter's comments. Had you been fair enough to post that, then other links with other accounts of the incident, then maybe you wouldn't be dismissed as having only provided a biased story.

What I still see missing from what I provided is if the woman was pointing the weapon at the officers--if she wasn't, then I don't necessarily see a reason that it had to come to deadly force. But I will note that the source I provided notes that the initial call reported that she had fired the gun inside the house already--you better believe that the LEOs will be on high alert at that point, especially if she was disobeying commands to put down the weapon.

Another source:

At about 9:45 p.m. Thursday, a man who lives in the house called police and said his girlfriend, identified as Deanne Choate of Gardner, had fired a gun inside the house. Police responded, went into the house, and Choate was shot by the officers.

"She was maybe afraid, and she may have been intoxicated and didn't know what was going on at the time and was trying to protect herself in her own home," Weddington said.

Weddington is her son. He considers a plausible explanation here--completely different from his sister's account in the link in the OP--but also counters with this:

"I think they went too far with it, and they went in with their guns blazing and overstepped their boundaries when they could've approached in a different way," Weddington said.

Without knowing the pertinent detail of whether she pointed the gun at the officers or threatened them in another way, I tend to agree with his assessment.

from article;

"Gardner discourages its police from using de-escalation tactics with suspects, preferring a "shoot-first-ask-questions-later" policy, Michele Choate says."

- a policy which is likely not the exception, but the rule. de rigeur nowadays it appears. so it follows, this type of incident will only occur ever more frequently.

originally posted by: SharonGlass
a reply to: stolencar18

might want to fix that link, because I would like to read it.

Ok, I read it. Don't care. I have seen too much, and heard lies under oath, and read false reports, had statements supposedly said by me written for me and presented in court.

I don't believe ANYTHING they say.

I know criminals with badges when i see/hear/smell em.

Do you have "gaydar," too?! That's a neat trick to be able to know the malicious intent of someone's heart based on words written on the internet.

I spent plenty of time in the legal field, in a court room, transcribing hearings, assisting in witness interviews, and practicing as a paralegal for both prosecution and defense attorneys to know that witnesses are very unreliable, especially the emotionally charged ones.

Maybe between the two of us, we should just lose all faith in humanity's ability to be honest and just assume everyone is a liar in the world.

Or, maybe we shouldn't base opinions on anecdotal evidence and take things one case at a time and wait for all of the facts before we jump to conclusions.

I prefer the latter route, myself, as I like opinions based on fact, not conjecture. Approach everything with skepticism, but by all means, do not stereotype everyone in a profession based on some bad apples.

a reply to: SlapMonkey

To be honest, that was not in the first 2 stories i looked at.

But they did not follow protocol (handcuffing her) so this will end badly for the "officers" involved regardless what happened next.

Since they did not follow protocol as easy as handcuffing her, it smells like a cover up.

I have witnessed one of those with my own two eyes involving the loss of life.

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