This thread is for all those that took part in the thread about the beheaded child in Russia.

originally posted by: chrismarco
a reply to: VoidHawk

Really, this guy is your hero and considering you have so few heros, this is an interesting pick...I think alot of ATS members were well aware of propaganda and how it effects..

What is with this? Every single thread i read lately has some vulture waiting to make the first comment, and its always "Bleh, we've all seen this, try harder next time, loser " pretty much.

Your post was infinitely less informative and about as entertaining as a stick up the ass. Does your arrogance know no bounds?

Excellent thread. I feel that the events since Dark Horse by Katy Perry and the entire Isis events, started their appearances, that we have been non stop goaded into responses. Continual manipulation but, considering the events since October and the open gates migration its serious. We feel manipulated but also this has to be dealt with, preferably with nationalism and common sense rather than violence.

a reply to: VoidHawk

Formidable thread. Best one on ATS atm.

a reply to: VoidHawk

Great thread ....

For some reason as you were describing the group think i pictured the zombie hordes

S&F. The Botox part was surprising at least. I was sure Botox therapy is stupid day one I heard about it.

Experiment with pain empathy was conducted also with race label as group division. Results were same.

Well I have got to say, I myself made a rash comment in that thread and your point is taken.

I was hardly born in '95. I briefly researched the massacres of Bosnians you referenced and that is just about the most awful thing I have ever read about.

a reply to: VoidHawk

Perhaps you yourself have been goaded into this response to what is really defensible anger.

You do not realize that a huge amount of the population is only concerned (like yourself) with perceived manipulations and seem to not realize that you are actually still being manipulated in one way or another.

I feel that you are at least 10 years too late with this, and certainly realizing manipulation exists does not change the fact that you can be manipulated.

You need a lot more than just KNOWING to win the battle, the battle with the self, the other selfs, and whomever purposefully pulls off tactics to make people crazy.

And to be honest, I do not notice any more than has gone on, in all of history.

To say that it is WRONG to want this person to suffer horribly for this action, is not actually natural, take that into some deep thoughts.

a reply to: VoidHawk

This is an amazing thread. I started reading it earlier flagged, and made it one of my 9 bookmarks (7 of which are recipies) to follow up on later so i don't lose track of it. Awesome information. There's a plethora of comments, questions, further considerations and tangents available in the OP alone. It's 3am and i want to read the whole thread before i chime in further myself, if I do, but it's already given me a lot to think about. Much of this will surely go beyond the life of this thread and into many of our daily thoughts.

On the lesser important side of this there's even a scientific basis for why botoxic people creep me the hell out! I'm more interested in the bigger social/humanity implications and findings, but found that tidbit neat and fun.

I completely disagree with this thread, she should go through what that child went through, she should be beheaded and paraded around just like that child was. Simple as that.

a reply to: skyblueworld

I'm not sure that this was presented to try and garner sympathy for the perpetrator.

That was merely the context in which to demonstrate the reaction to the event.

No one is applauding her. But we don't all have to join in and state the obvious (that we disapprove) and join a gang of snarling wolves trying to out do each other with revenge fantasy fiction.

Particularly from the media.

I wonder, though, now you've voiced your concerns, is that the starting point for this thread to descend into the same condition as the other one. It seems to become a competition after a while.

The psychology of hatred, violence, and evil. I'm not sure we want to explore and go down this road, since it can lead to mind control and the manipulation of the masses towards some unpleasant goals. I'm sure its already being done.

Nice thread.

The most important information to me is the botox experimentation, which is counter-intuitive. We would think that it's all about the neurons, that it's the neurons that tell the muscles of the face to act like this or like that and that the process of empathy ends here. But this experimentation shows (if I understood well) that there is some sort of feedback between the muscles of the face and the neurons. So schematically : neurons receive information through the senses(eyes), then neurons tell the muscles of the face to act like this or like that, but if the muscles of the face are unable to move because of botox, there is a message that is sent back from the muscles to the neurons to say something like "not important, not worth the hassle", or even "false information". Do you understand the results of the experiment in another way ?

It's interesting for someone like me who is interested in empathy from a philosophical view point. It also shows how we disrupt what evolution has produced with our technology. I imagine we could see the same result with someone whose face is paralysed.

If someone beheaded your child, and walked around with their head, would you wait for a group to have the "social" reaction?
If you were the first person to that individual, how do you think you would honestly react?
I would pull their eyes out, cut their hands and feet off, and make SURE they LIVED!!!
Then I would forgive them

So I guess I wouldn't burn them to death with flamethrowers... but burning to scar for life... that sounds reasonable.

a reply to: VoidHawk

Nice Thread but unfortunately you are missing one very important point...

those being massacred didn't do anything to warrant it. The Jews or the Bosnians.

a reply to: VoidHawk

Alright, you lost me when you stated this false fact.

It's funny how you who calls people to wake up, who shows us how we're being fed by lies, yet, you do the same thing. You are being influenced by propaganda.

But I see what you are trying to say, and you just prove that it is impossible not to be influenced by all the lies.

originally posted by: Tulpa
a reply to: VoidHawk

all the expressions and facial movements mentioned above are disguised when you wear a full burka and only show a pair of eyes.
THAT is a reason people cannot seem to empathise with or even trust someone in those clothes. If you cannot even see a person AS a person, its easy to let your baser feelings override normal human interaction.

I think you're on to something here.

a reply to: VoidHawk

Great thread.....first one I have responded to in a long time.

Sadly.....the "Them and Us" mentality is too ingrained in our brains.

From a early age this is taught....(the family unit)... to where your live....and to what sport team/group you subscribe to.

In my profession as a trainer......the latest propaganda we are asked to teach/inform our students by our government is...

BRITISH FUNDAMENTAL VALUES!...... along with Equality and diversity!

At our first training day I asked why is the word BRITISH used?.....why not HUMAN?...." that way we do not discriminate against those who are not British" I said.....damn, thought I was going to get lynched by the other trainers......crazy!

Why am I asked to write down my nationality when booking into a hotel?....I put in HUMAN...

Was it the Dalai Lama who said .... "when you class yourself has white/ black/ Christian/Muslim ect ect....you discriminate against all others who are not the same as you" ....please excuse me here, bad memory



peace

Whomever made those 'witch burning' comments in that other thread are giggling. It best to let it just roll off you like water off a ducks back. The more upset you are by their trolling the more they like it.

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Really interesting post--I love learning about how the brain works, so thanks for posting this.

originally posted by: VoidHawk

How are your empathy levels when you take a good look at this poor child? Put yourself in her place!

In this instance, I think emotional reaction depends on subjective interpretation of what we're looking at. You talk about revealing how we're being manipulated, and in the instance in the photo above, you posted it immediately after talking about being excluded from social groups. In doing so, you manipulated the reader into assuming that this little girl has been excluded from playing with others, and therefore deserve our empathy-driven pity.

But I see it another way--I see her as being the lucky child whose parents were willing to take her to the park on a cold day when all other parents kept their children at home.

I refuse to let you manipulate me!

an eye for an eye.
stop acring like a little PC girl.