Theory - The influence of Angels, Spirits, Demons, and Djinn on People.

originally posted by: LittleByLittle
From my point of view:

There is objective morality that is not the same a subjective morality. The golden rule and karma is ideas that point to this logical objectivity that see all the connections on how an action propagate thru all souls in creation on all levels. Moral relativism is an illusion we tell our self to whitewash our own insane behavior.

Some souls can handle bad influence from the spiritual realms since they are steadfast and hard to corrupt due to their fearless nature. Knowledge and awareness makes you fearless of the dark Ones since they cannot influence those who do not allow themselves to be manipulated. If you know yourself and have increased awareness you can even logically look at emotional manipulation that is running rampant on this level of creation from both the other planes and this plane.

When you can logically understand emotional manipulation then you will understand why some trees (ideas) can never give of good fruits regardless, if the idea is from a spirit incarnated in a human body or a spirit somewhere else.

The problem for me is that some religions are subjective morality saying they are objective morality since they do not have the awareness to see the fruits of their ideas.

It does not matter if a person including me like or dislike homosexuality between consenting adults. It is still objectively moral when it is based on symbiosis(mutualism) of 2 spirits.

It does not matter if a person including me like or dislike hetrosexuality between consenting adults. It is still objectively moral when it is based on symbiosis(Mutualism) of 2 spirits.

It does not matter if you like or dislike power pyramids structures (feudalism/capitalism/fascism/theocracy/political socialism and communism). It is still objectively an abomination since it creates slaves and masters and is parasitical in nature.

Thank you for your input. I agree "Some souls can handle bad influence from the spiritual realms since they are steadfast and hard to corrupt due to their fearless nature. Knowledge and awareness makes you fearless of the dark Ones since they cannot influence those who do not allow themselves to be manipulated." Also their awareness level definitely helps in that respect. The less awareness someone has the easier a bad or negative entity can influence that person.
Those standards are society based ideals and constructs so an objective view would be based on societal norms. So wouldn't that collectively be subjective?

a reply to: obnoxiouschick

And just to throw this out there. I've had encounters with negative and positive entities. I don't think people can avoid them. But certain things can rid you of "negative" entities. That's why I love living near the ocean. Salt water can bring on a release if a negative entity tries attaching itself to you.

The desire to live by the sea could relate to the fact that there is a coastal based djinn in your host body or by your side.

Tell me, when you have a deep desire to walk a certain spot along a coast, does the word 'Completion' sum up the feeling of joy and tranquility that you feel ?

Shaytan class djinn that are coastal based are often seen as black cormorants. Inland they are viewed as crows and ravens.

Another word for them is Rapha (single) or The Rephaim (plural). Some of them in mortal form function as gate keepers for other djinn that pass from their homeland 'The Realm' to this world and vice versa.

Near the bottom of the page www.abovetopsecret.com... is shown what can happen when a mortal possessed with a jinn steps on a portal symbol.

originally posted by: Kandinsky
a reply to: obnoxiouschick

It's fun to speculate

If these entities do exist, I'm not sure it's fair to give humanity any responsibility for anything we do. Wouldn't their existence make us glove puppets? If I go out and punch someone on the street, it's the demon's fault. If I say something nasty that ruins someone's day? Djinn/demons. When I go out and pay a compliment it's angels and likewise when I'm kind to people.

So at which point do we turn around and ask why those angels aren't working harder? Or ask why the demons have the ability to be dicks and make us act like dicks too? At which point do we take responsibility for our actions?

If you're curious by nature, have a look at things like attachment disorder and soft monkeys. This isn't an explanation for why humans act the way they do, it's a small aspect of the human condition that goes some way to explaining why some of us act the way we do some of the time. It's a less complicated way of interpreting deeds without populating our environment with hierarchies of good/evil entities.

...and I haven't dismissed your ideas.

Thank you for your input.
Yes it is fun to speculate. AND discussing topics like this with others is very helpful in gaining some understanding.
Ok so no I'm not saying we're "glove puppets" that would be more liken to possession.
I mean influence in more of a subtle manner. Suggestions, ideas, inspiration like a muse.
Since there are some cases of possession but it's not prevalent I'd think that the entity would have to be extremely powerful to overcome freewill. But to invoke mild influence in such a way that the person is 1) unaware and 2) believes the ideas and thought were internally generated. They would have more success dishing out subtle influence in a covert manner.
Since we have freewill, it is our own choices and actions we are responsible for yet some people may be more open to being steered in a certain direction.
Say for example - a person is "on the fence" about a political candidate. An entity could put a few ideas or thoughts in their heads to steer them to the candidate they want. I'm laughing because it sounds silly ... "oh back my guy Trump" as if these entities really care about politics. Unless a friend of theirs is pulling that person's strings.

I checked out the soft monkeys and that goes with stuff I read back when I was pregnant with my first child. I had also worked with behavioral children and my father was adopted. He really exhibited signs of not having a nurturing parent. Thanks.

I'm not following the difference between the entities called Angels and the entities called Djinn. I've always assumed them to be a different name for the same beings. What was the argument there? Are Djinn fallen angels?

originally posted by: Ophite
a reply to: obnoxiouschick

I'm just adding what I know, 1 Enoch, an Apocryphal but relevant Jewish text has demons as the souls of the Nephilim who were killed in the deluge.

Angels are NOT the opposite of demons and vise versa. They are messengers who are used by God to either deliver a message or complete a specific task.

Elohim are the 72 chief spirits. At the top El Elyon and his consort Asherah. The Sons of God are 70 in number and each are responsible for a nation. Yahweh was originally one of the 70 but that's ancient history as Yahweh is none other than Baal.

The Igrigori are the watchers, some of whom were imprisoned for the whole Nephilim fiasco. They are supposed to just watch people, not mate with them.

Djinn are spirits with free will, unlike angels. I don't know much about them other than what's been said.

Hope that helps, Salaam!!

Thank you for your input.
I've been seeing different references for origins. They differ depending on which religious view is being presented.
Nephilim being the origin of demons is more of a Christian view.
The story of Lilith producing demons is from the Talmud and then kabbalistic texts.
It is so fascinating comparing the accounts for these legends.
I'd love to find out more on how the Muslims view the djinn. Since I think we have limited stories ie: the genie of the lamp. And if they can be either good or evil are there stories of good ones?

originally posted by: Rapha
a reply to: obnoxiouschick

And just to throw this out there. I've had encounters with negative and positive entities. I don't think people can avoid them. But certain things can rid you of "negative" entities. That's why I love living near the ocean. Salt water can bring on a release if a negative entity tries attaching itself to you.

The desire to live by the sea could relate to the fact that there is a coastal based djinn in your host body or by your side.

Tell me, when you have a deep desire to walk a certain spot along a coast, does the word 'Completion' sum up the feeling of joy and tranquility that you feel ?

Shaytan class djinn that are coastal based are often seen as black cormorants. Inland they are viewed as crows and ravens.

Another word for them is Rapha (single) or The Rephaim (plural). Some of them in mortal form function as gate keepers for other djinn that pass from their homeland 'The Realm' to this world and vice versa.

Near the bottom of the page www.abovetopsecret.com... is shown what can happen when a mortal possessed with a jinn steps on a portal symbol.

Thank you for your input.
I do appreciate it.

My desire to live by the ocean is more because it naturally calms me.
No I don't feel "completion". I feel more "alive". Seeing the movement of the tide, the sea creatures, etc. I actually prefer freshwater for swimming since saltwater turns "ashy" on my skin. I just enjoy walking along the beach edge barefoot.
There are a number of birds around. I don't see black cormorants we have tons of "rats with wings" ...umm I mean seagulls.
I'm not dismissing you. But I'm not a host. I do they come around. They just don't really bother me.
I read some of your other posts on the subject.
When they want me to pay attention they tap along my spine. Once the tapping traveled up my back and stopped on my right shoulder. At the time I had headphones on listening to something on Youtube. A friend I know had me watch it... he ended up at a mental hospital. As soon as I heard it and the tapping started I knew someone put subliminal messages embedded in the video. So which one was that. I think that one was an angel keeping me from harm.

a reply to: obnoxiouschick

Thank you for your reply.

I guess these are questions that have faced people for as long as we've had ideas in our head. The answers we've told ourselves have lit the way to where we are now and the ideas are, possibly, built in to our genome. Maybe a feature of sentience is a suspicion that demons/angels exist? Maybe we're supposed to surpass that stage and frame our answers like Dawkins and we're just biological robots? I don't know?!

Believe it or not, I get what you're saying and have moments when I wonder if there's any truth to the demon/angel thing? Some events in this world make me think WTF? The Rwandan conflict, that stuff Islamic State are doing, concentration camps etc. It's too much, right?

originally posted by: Kandinsky
a reply to: obnoxiouschick

Thank you for your reply.

I guess these are questions that have faced people for as long as we've had ideas in our head. The answers we've told ourselves have lit the way to where we are now and the ideas are, possibly, built in to our genome. Maybe a feature of sentience is a suspicion that demons/angels exist? Maybe we're supposed to surpass that stage and frame our answers like Dawkins and we're just biological robots? I don't know?!

Believe it or not, I get what you're saying and have moments when I wonder if there's any truth to the demon/angel thing? Some events in this world make me think WTF? The Rwandan conflict, that stuff Islamic State are doing, concentration camps etc. It's too much, right?

YES some events do make me go WTF
I was also thinking about the soldiers coming back from the MiddleEast having PTSD and that it may be again an influence but specifically from the Muslim djinn. What better way to mess with the enemies' heads than to turn them crazy. Our soldiers could be carrying djinn back with them. What we should do in turn is send a herd of "blessed" swine with vials of holy water over there. Just kidding.
I just like looking at things from all angles. So enlisting help from others I gain their perspective and see more angles. Then I'll misspell is and say .... see more angels.

originally posted by: jjkenobi
I'm not following the difference between the entities called Angels and the entities called Djinn. I've always assumed them to be a different name for the same beings. What was the argument there? Are Djinn fallen angels?

No djinn are entirely different from Angels.
And they aren't fallen angels either.

Most writings on them come from the Qua-ran. They were created from fireless smoke before man but with similar features like freewill.

They can choose to be good or bad. They are not immortal.
here are some links

www.djinnuniverse.com...

www.inter-islam.org...

www.islamnewsroom.com... len-angels

en.wikipedia.org...

I think the "Angels, Spirits, Demons, and Djinn" is actually just a field of energy, and that will be proven to exist. Discovering this field will prove parallel dimensions exist. Since there isn't an abundance of evidence for physical encounters with these entities, I think they are more so an energy field. Basically a weak energy field where the particles have a strange behavior and every so often react with our biomagnetism (Or react with some form of energy we/living things produce). This subtle interaction is why encounters can be scientifically explained as our brain hallucinating everything.

We have discovered many different fields of energy and out current scientific technology is so powerful we may just discover something truly bizarre.

originally posted by: obnoxiouschick
When they want me to pay attention they tap along my spine. Once the tapping traveled up my back and stopped on my right shoulder. At the time I had headphones on listening to something on Youtube. A friend I know had me watch it... he ended up at a mental hospital. As soon as I heard it and the tapping started I knew someone put subliminal messages embedded in the video. So which one was that. I think that one was an angel keeping me from harm.

Yes, it probably was an angel.

Djinn tap on the left shoulder blade when they want to gain access to the host body. This would relate to the Romans classifying left handed people as sinistrous (sinister) and right handed people as dexterous.

It seems the cheesy jokes where the angel is on the right shoulder and the daemon is on the left shoulder is true after all. Lol

Good observation with the tapping along with the subliminal message in the video. This is how the spirit world functions via 'suggestion'.

The video must have angered the angels in the spirit world, bigtime.

a reply to: Rapha

Yes it definitely angered them.

See this was just uploaded music from a very little known metal Christian band. Think in the style of Gwar.
I can't even recall the name of the band. I found a mention of the band on a website and the only other thing was a few uploaded songs. The thing I noticed before stopping the playback was the name of the uploader. The account name had Haiti in it. And being the epicenter for voodoo I have no doubt it was intentional.

I warned my friend about listening to Youtube. I advised him to get a hold of a cd he could rip. But unfortunately he didn't listen and is as disoriented as ever. He no longer speaks to me and went back to the hospital.

Have you tried to get rid of yours? It could be residing in an object in your possession. A number of magikal folk try to bind djinn to objects. Essentially enslaving them. Someone could unknowingly have an item that is a possessed vessel and not even know it.

And I thought the Marid type were the ones associated with water.

1"Then the Pharisees went and plotted together how they might trap Him in what He said".

originally posted by: obnoxiouschick
Have you tried to get rid of yours? It could be residing in an object in your possession. A number of magikal folk try to bind djinn to objects. Essentially enslaving them. Someone could unknowingly have an item that is a possessed vessel and not even know it.

And I thought the Marid type were the ones associated with water.

i have tried getting rid of it. It seems that faith in Jesus Christ is the only thing that stops them from gaining access to a host body.

Even then, they keep attacking, waiting for the persons faith to diminish now and again.

Recently there have been no attacks so it is either gone or happy with a computer program that i am writing in my spare time.

If the computer program idea is true then something very spiritual, concerning portals, gateways and stone monoliths, is going to happen between now and early April.

It is rumoured that stone circles are like nodes on a communication matrix where the spiritual barrier (veil) is thin. Passing through them is like moving to other versions of Earth running parallel to this real one

a reply to: Rapha

Well that's good to hear.
That's interesting, your portal/ gateway program.

Have you been to any energy epicenters?
I'm sure you have quite a few near you.

I personally want to visit Mt Shasta in CA. I had an in law living out there that said the energy was amazing.
I'm referring to energy centers like ones described here www.spiritualsecrets.info...

And I'm just asking this because I'm compiling an addition to the OP about this. Do you have long or short hair? I'm just curious.

originally posted by: obnoxiouschick
Have you been to any energy epicenters?
I'm sure you have quite a few near you.

Do you have long or short hair? I'm just curious.

Yes, there are many stone monoliths throughout Cornwall, UK. i did a webpage on what happens when a stone circle (portal) is under the jurisdiction of negative entities.

i have stood on ley lines in the presence of negative entities. i could not see them, yet i knew i was being watched.

Notice in the following link, how the entities, 'suggesting' to people walking their dogs everyday, have created footpaths through a field that constructs a 'broken Christian/Celtic Cross'.
cornwall.esy.es...

i have been going bald since 19 years old and the hair started going gray at 30. Short hair.

Ok so continue with the thread topic.

I chose not to include this in OP because I didn't want the focus to be on this example.

I had read about spiritual properties of HAIR - from The Women's Encyclopedia of Myths & Secrets - I can't upload the images even though I checked to make sure ad-block is off I still can't upload an image of the text. But I'll just have to type out the text. I'm only putting pertinent parts down as this section is over 3 pages long.

"As shown by it's importance in witch-charms and in the mutual exchange of talismans between lovers, hair was usually viewed as a repository of at least a part of the soul. "
Then a list of instances where hair was used -
*maidens dedicating locks to Hippolytus
*Egyptians burying locks of hair with deceased husbands
* Tantric sages declared that the binding and unbinding of women's hair activated cosmic forces of creation and destruction.
* same idea prevailed among prophetic priestesses or witches, who operated with unbound hair on the theory that their tresses could control the spirit world.

"St. Paul greatly feared the "angels" (spirits) that women could command by letting their hair flow loose. He insisted that women's heads must be covered "because of the angels" (1Corinnthians 11:10) Thus it became a Christian rule that women's heads must be covered in church, lest they draw demons into the building. Modern women wearing hats or head shawls to church unconsciously defer to this ancient superstition about their hair. " "The ancients insisted that women needed their hair to work magic spells; thus women deprived of their hair were harmless. For this reason Christian nuns and Jewish wives were compelled to shave their heads."

"Medieval Europe had innumerable superstitions based on the pagan significance of hair. Children's hair was left uncut for many years on the theory that their strength would be impaired if their hair was cut too soon. Gypsy witches advised the lovelorn to snip a lock of the beloved's hair secretly and wear it as a ring or locket. Whoever possessed another's hair had power over his soul. "

So a few years ago I thought it was interesting and thought about this whole concept.
I recall being asked by a hairdresser if I wanted my hair donated. I declined as the first thought was that I didn't want my DNA showing up at a crime scene somewhere. But after I started thinking more. I knew women preferred real hair pieces, my mom being one who needed a wig while going through chemo. So I thought about where they get the hair. Then I saw a news piece on girls that get their head shaved for their religion, mostly in the middle east. I thought that would be dangerous if that girl was exposed to negative entities attracted to their hair. Essentially their hair would retain that energy.
So then I came across this, very fascinating piece.

Rachel Edjeren is a Nigerian celebrity producer and actress who recently shared via her blog an experience with tonsured hair that has become subject for debate. Rachel claimed that the spirit of the owner of the human hair she put on her head chased her in the dream. She wrote: “My husband likes human hair. So even though I like my full dreadlocks kind of hairstyles, I give him what he likes most times. I have done Brazilian and Peruvian, so I thought to try something different and more natural… Indian. Last weekend, I ordered for it and made it. I prayed on it and believed it was fine. Yesterday night, I had the strangest of dreams. I saw that I made a hair that allowed me to pack it, thus project my face and make it look slimmer. All of a sudden, I got into a scam with 3 people who began to chase me all over the place to kill me. I got off from them narrowly then got into a market. There, a madman began to chase me.” To cut the long story short, Rachel said she narrated the dream to her husband, who asked her to remove it, even though she was reluctant because it cost so much. She cut it off, anointed her head and prayed. She also burnt it. According to her, “Carrying another’s hair is like carrying the person’s spirit.

befor... eitsnews.com/blogging-citizen-journalism/2013/05/must-read-human-hair-extensions-may-be-possessed-by-demons-2447404.html

So just picture how many women are wearing someone else's hair. Weaves, extensions, & wigs I would think there would be a lot. And they'd be taking on the other person's energy & whatever entities are attracted to it.

originally posted by: Rapha

i have been going bald since 19 years old and the hair started going gray at 30. Short hair.

The above post has most references about women but for men - " British churches used to command men shear their hair and beards on Maunday Thursday, the day before Good Friday, so they would be "honest" for Easter. Consequently this day described in old writings as Shear Thursday."

Then by side observations I've noticed some people that were frequently visited by spirits had longer than average hair.

I was thinking the djinn don't adhere to the same spiritual attraction to hair as the other entities seem to be drawn to it.

I myself have extremely long hair, that grows excessively fast along with my nails. I tend to just pull it back in a knot for convenience but that's also "binding". I prefer my hair short, but then I'd have to put effort into styling it.

I did have an encounter with a negative entity end when I literally chopped my hair right off. And it is the worst smell burning hair. uggh

originally posted by: obnoxiouschick
Then by side observations I've noticed some people that were frequently visited by spirits had longer than average hair.

I was thinking the djinn don't adhere to the same spiritual attraction to hair as the other entities seem to be drawn to it.
I did have an encounter with a negative entity end when I literally chopped my hair right off. And it is the worst smell burning hair. uggh

Maybe long haired people are more spiritually minded, more relaxed.

The djinn are quite often bald with tattoos covering their scalp. Sacred geometry is everywhere including entities skin.

Did the burning hair smell like sulphur ?

originally posted by:Rapha
Maybe long haired people are more spiritually minded, more relaxed.

The djinn are quite often bald with tattoos covering their scalp. Sacred geometry is everywhere including entities skin.

Did the burning hair smell like sulphur ?

A bit faint like sulfur, not a strong. The odor was extremely foul.
It did smell worse than normal. I have burned my hair with cigarettes too many times.

So are they also solid black? I'm not saying black skinned in the traditional sense. I'm talking charred black very smooth skinned. I'm aware they're shapeshifters so they wouldn't normally show this to just anybody. But one that I saw seemed like he was scorched. Skin smooth but with raised tattoos more like branded. They were very difficult to see. And it was very brief. Then he left. I almost thought that one was a demon. He didn't carry any negative energy with him though.