Here's how we could build a colony on an alien world

a reply to: Annee
No. Very well done. Beginning, middle(s), and end.

Just one of writers that you just want more.

a reply to: Vector99



No comments, you ever wondered why Nordics usually holds high positions in most of the worlds major companies..?

You sure your not religious? can you honestly say your not religious? Religion; Religio; *To bind* or *to go through again*
remember Nordic culture is f******* old

a reply to: Kantjil
Yeah, well.
Thor and the rest have been sort of superseded. So parts of the culture, sure. Intact, nope.

a reply to: Phage

We had the catholics with Gustav Vasa, then the lutheran, druid, viking, muslim and today... I could make a list of all the dogmas, we are fast as f**** at adopting..


Cultural dogma for large cities, tradingports.. Sweden hasnt aged, it plays along..

a reply to: SLAYER69

I was thinking with the current impending convergence of technology's we may not even have to send living people, sound's ridiculous I know and this would upset many on ethical and religious ground's as well as being far less sexy.

3D printing has already been suggested as a method to produce colonist ready habitat's on mars in the near future (or within a hundred or so years), a machine or machine's with this capability would land in an area with suitable resources and then set about extracting and converting those resources to use them to make more machine's for other purposes as well as habitats, terrain construction, mining and life support and even atmosphere processing machine's.

However this would be in preparation for the arrival of human personel whom would have to weather the environmental danger of both space and there new destination.

Today 3D printing has passed the milestone were they can print using living cell's to produce simple organic structures which it is hoped will one day be used to replace a patiant's own damaged or lost organ's, printed skin may be the next stage for burn's victims' but of course as the technique becomes more advanced and the ability to produce stem cell's in fast condition's become's more possible the probability of an entire 3D printed person or rather body become's ever closer with certain implications', marry this to Google's concept of uploaded human mind's in virtual reality's in cyberspace and you may be looking at a very scary but also interesting future that would be more machine than human with the mind's existing in cyberspace and able to even replicate themselve's or back themselves up as well as perhap's to download themselves to these 3D printed body's as well as suitable machines in order to interact with the outside universe.

Kind of makes that ghoulish italian surgeon whom want's to be the first to perform a human head transplant look very much like a stone age man but I personally am not sure if this is really any better (Except that it would not need a donor so in that respect it definitely is).

I think it take's the joy out of the concept of humanity escaping from it's cradle planet but automated systems with human mind templates and industrial 3D printers used to colonise distant locations may be possible.


A lifeless vessel arrives at a distant world, the atmosphere is a mix of methane and sulphites, oxygen bound in the chemical soup but the planet is the right size in the goldilox zone around it's parent K class sun, the sun may not be the same type as our G2 class star but it is stable and the world has all the chemical's and element's needed so the automatic systems set's about landing on a small moon that orbit's the planet and assembles other machines using it's onboard molecular printer, these other machines set up mining, processing and further larger scale 3D pringing systems which they assemble from the raw materials creating a large facility which is then used to produce the machines necessary to tackle the harsh environment of the world the moon orbit's.

Over several hundred years the machines establish even larger facility's on the planet and set about terraforming it, changing it's atmosphere, structuring it's terrain, extracting and refining the raw materials.

The first human wake's, his mind an exact copy of the mind of a scientist whose last memory is of having his mind copied into a machine archive hundreds of thousand's of years earlier, he also has some other memory's as the machine has integrated them seamlessly into his mind and he also feel's his brand new body is younger, far stronger and much more perfect than the one he recall's which for him is just a few second's ago now, this body is similar but not identical, it is both better and also tailored to this new world, adjusted to the slightly heavier gravity and denser atmospher with better senses and much longer life span even without repair which could keep it alive for tens of thousands of years.

He stands up and walk's accross the white room with painted fresco's replicating the scene showing Adam and God from the cistine chapel on the domed ceiling overhead as classic music creates an ambience to the large panoramic window where he look's out at an orange blue sky and he see's in the distance rolling forrests and landscaped field's leading into wildlife populated wilderness in the further distance and a bay or a sea in the other direction, cloud's forming on the horizon, a flock of bird's fly past just below his window and wheel into the air as they fly higher on there migration then he look's down from the tall sky scraper like structure he is in at the sprawling but as yet unpopulated metropolis below and know's he is the first new human to awaken, earth is a long distant memory but they have brought it with them, there science, the greatest mind's and even ordinary people whom gave permission for there mental templates to be used and whom came from all walks of life, from workers to housewives, school teacher to military personel but once downloaded into there there new body's they will be perfect and even the lowest IQ people amongst them will awake with the knowledge and intelligence of nobel laureats in there new clean world but there individuality will drive the new civilization.

Of course earth was also beautiful as they had long ago repaired that world and settled it's neighbouring planets but this world was orbiting a star many light years distant and other seeding probe's some with identical templates had been sent to other likely star system's, the human race might even win in it's attempt to avoid extinction but then a thought tugged at the new man's consciousness as he looked out over the terraformed world that was a recreation of the long distant and maybe even now long lost earth and he spoke it aloud, "Do I have a soul or am I just the reflection of my creator the ghost of a man long gone".

Now only the essential machines remained still processing the atmosphere and regulating the artificial environment, indeed many of those tree's were not really tree's but most of them had long been disassembles and the parent vessel had been replicated and sent off to another potential world to replicate it's long journey once more and terraform another world even further away maybe even crossing the vast sea of empty space between the galaxy's to establish new world's long after the human race had likely passed out if existance here in the milky way galaxy.

a reply to: Vector99

Mars is an interesting case Olympus Monze may be the other side form a massive impact or deep penetration impact which may have destabilised and killed the core of the planet and it has a very strange EM field which is weak but also wierdly formed.

Once back before this impact it is as one rogue nasa scientist whom believed it was the moon of another world whose remain's are now the asteroid belt, well once it may very well have had a strong EM field capable of shielding the planet from radiation but I am afraid a human would still need light radiation protection today as that field is now so weak.
Plenty about his theory's on this site (Thom Van-Flandern Theoretician and Scientist),
metaresearch.org...
www.metaresearch.org...

Mars however remains our best bet to actually be able to terraform within our own solar system and would be the quickest planet to convert if we ever set about doing so.

It would be interesting if we found the face on mars was a monument built by a dying race to try to tell there distant descendant's whom had colonized (Or returned to the earth) that they had once existed and some plonker in the NWO and NASA had used a nuclear device disguised as a martian probe to try to destroy this evidence which also included the history and all the science of our people because they were frightened it would threaten there own personal power base.
www.abovetopsecret.com...
moonconspiracy.wordpress.com...
Apparently they also destroyed this with a probe crashed into the Lunar surface.
www.ufosightingsdaily.com...

Then again there is the theory that when the astronauts went to the moon there was also a back up (not a fake a back up) film studio here on earth making a simulation for public and security reasons and that this may have continued even up to the martian probes of the 70's and 80's
www.dailymail.co.uk... et.html

Now what though I must say if it turned out that the whole break away civilization conspiracy turned out to be real and there were already bases on the moon and mars with humans from earth using them, of course that would mean we are living in an artificially retarded society so that these elite scuzz bucket spitoon heads could keep us under there control.

originally posted by: VoidHawk
In some of the scifi books I've read they find very large rock of several miles in size, then they drill into them and hollow them out, building living spaces as they go. They cover the surfaces with solar collectors which transfers the light to the interior so that they can grow food. Growing food provides oxygen.
Much easier than trying to create an atmosphere on a huge planet.

I never really understood that idea, surely its just easier to build out of metal? what if 'they' get half way through the hollowing out, and the surface cracks? or the whole thing falls apart?
Prefabricated units built on the lunar surface is a lot better idea, cheap power, cheap materials, cheap cost of lifting into orbit.

a reply to: LABTECH767

I really enjoyed read that, thank you Labtech 767, lots of food for thought.

Ok first things first we need to stop playing with stupid chemical rockets and grow the F up and go nuclear.

originally posted by: RevolutionAnon
a reply to: Phage

I don't believe there will be much difference between colonisation and evacuation when, and if, the time comes.

It will be a matter of importance. Politicians, The obscenely rich, the rich, the wealthy, the middle class, the specialists (doctors, surgeons, Scientists, techno geniuses...). I don't believe the poor will be considered any sort of priority except for filling up any extra space that may exist so that there is still an indoctrinated slave class; nor the disabled or mentally handicapped.

I think colonisation will be a pretty brutal period in time. My support would go out to the common masses in the hope they take back liberty and self worth and leave the "superior people" behind.

Cause the burger flippers, wellfare queens and libral arts majors will be building complex spaceships and have the skills to survive hostile environments hahaha

a reply to: Phage

I wouldn't compare us to animals, scientifically maybe, but animals fit into the global eco a lot better than we do. Animals don't need fires as most are equipped with natural protection from such things, reindeer for example have thousands of close knit hairs within their fur meaning they can easy withstand seriously negative temperatures. I wouldn't compare fire to that.

A destruction we will probably cause. The arrogance of human beings to think we are more important than the planet we were born and raised on.

a reply to: pikestaff

You are right about the weakness of asteroid's but I think the men whom envisioned that were thinking that they could both mine the asteroid's and in the case of the Nickel Iron asteroid's they are naturally very resistant to radiation so internally they would provide fairly well shielded area's, I suppose they could also reinforce them or by mining the material also use it in a refined state to build from inside the asteroid to the outside but perhaps the biggest argument for it was the idea of Mass exchange drive's or mass driver engine's, the idea was that for example you launch a small craft that is essentially nothing more than a small mining rig and a high temperature nuclear reactor, the mining rig mine's the asteroid and delivers the material to the reactor chamber were it is vaporized and turned into a high pressure plasma which is then released as a propellant to thrust the object, by doing this an asteroid could be moved and of course used for other purposes.

But perhaps the biggest would be if water ice could be used moved to worlds within the solar system that were short on water for terraforming and atmosphere creation purposes by using these reactors to spend some of the asteroid or comet's mass moving it into place and then mining them for what was left.

Still your argument is more than valid as most asteroid's are likely full of flaw's and weak point's being natural structure's.

a reply to: RevolutionAnon

Animals don't need fires as most are equipped with natural protection from such things, reindeer for example have thousands of close knit hairs within their fur meaning they can easy withstand seriously negative temperatures. I wouldn't compare fire to that.

He said that we are smart animals. Meaning that we can overcome natural factors by using our intelligence and technology, so we can survive colder habitats without that close knit hair fur. He wasn't comparing fire to fur.

If you don't have a plan how to build a reasonable society, then any colony in outer space is a waste of time and resources. This obviously hasn't got it either. Good bye.

a reply to: anotherdaytoday

That is a good point but remember the first generation would import there society with them, rules and governing systems would be in place from day one and it would be down to them to teach the succeeding generations, societys are seldom created they grow through organic social interaction and shared need's, trade and bartering but most importanty shared belief's and identity.

Trade would arise later once the colonys spread out forming new hub's on the new planet and trading between them sharing there resources and later once they had achieved self sustainability that trade would be more about human interaction with smaller hub's arising and an ever more complex web of society rising, they would have to deal with there own problems in time and all we could do as founders is give them what guidance we had such as our history (preferrably the true one) remembering always the old adage that he whom forget's the mistakes of the past is doomed to repeat them so that they could try to avoid our worst crisis and failure's.

But people are people and often petty.

originally posted by: pikestaff

originally posted by: VoidHawk
In some of the scifi books I've read they find very large rock of several miles in size, then they drill into them and hollow them out, building living spaces as they go. They cover the surfaces with solar collectors which transfers the light to the interior so that they can grow food. Growing food provides oxygen.
Much easier than trying to create an atmosphere on a huge planet.

I never really understood that idea, surely its just easier to build out of metal? what if 'they' get half way through the hollowing out, and the surface cracks? or the whole thing falls apart?
Prefabricated units built on the lunar surface is a lot better idea, cheap power, cheap materials, cheap cost of lifting into orbit.

Bare in mind they were scifi books

However, they don't use just any old lump of rock, scanning for fractures and weaknesses takes place and also the composition of the rock. The hollowing out provides all the materials needed, once its hollowed out the walls are lasered to a glass finish to ensure they do not leak. The whole rock is then kicked into a rotation so as to provide gravity on any interior surface.
While they would be maneuverable, in the scifi they are mainly envisaged as supply and stopover stations floating at crossing points on long haul trade routes.
The advantage is there's no need to haul huge amounts of resources to create such a station, they just hollow out an existing rock using its materials to manufacture whatever they need.

Its scifi I know, but tomorrow it might be reality! Its got a lot going for it.