Meet the B-21

a reply to: anzha

Some are pretty easy to figure out what they're doing. Interesting to see Spirit in there. Especially that location.

originally posted by: BASSPLYR
a reply to: anzha

Hey Anzha,

In the article the guy says something like "the B-2 had too many top secret systems and we keept them classified for too long. With the b21 we will be more transparent.

First of all. Why would he make a statement like that? Was it because the technologies associated were so compartmentalized it made it difficult for various contractors to work together since nobody knew the big picture technology wise on how everything was supposed to fit together in concert. And so development lagged. Or are they actually saying " yeah, were going to be more open about our stealth technology" cause I don't actually see that happening.

was he saying with the B21 were going to make it more affordable and capable by sharing technology data with the involved contractors?

typing this quickly while at work, not sure I'm conveying what I mean. hoping enough makes sense to be a viable question for the forum.

You have brought up a VERY VALUABLE POINT in that
I personally believe the B21 IS DESIGNED to be more
open so that RAPID UPGRADES via mission-specific
modules can be implemented (i.e. Plug and Play)
by MULTIPLE contractors using Common-Off-The-Shelf
and Commercial-level components.

That is ONE REASON...BUT I BELIEVE THAT THERE IS
ANOTHER REASON which could have something to do
with the reputed Sienna-99 craft (i.e. is NOT the
Sierra-99 KC-10 Nightstalker tanker craft) that is the
TOP SECRET side-show for the B-21.

Always Two! There Is!
A Master and an Apprentice!

The B21 IS DARTH MAUL !!!
i.e. The Public Apprentice!
Sienna-99 is Darth Sidious
STILL HIDDEN but ready to
show himself as the FULL POWER
of the Dark Side of the Force!

I am suggesting a shapeshifting
aero-plan form and it being
VERY LONG AND POINTY or
Triangular for very high-speed
bombing and/or MAYBE even
ultra-high resolution recon runs!

Sienna-99 was/is a call sign
bandied about by SOME of
my industry contacts who
found it being used in Ohio,
Wisconsin, New York during
the late 1980's, Mid 90's and
JUST RECENTLY in 2014-to-now!

I don't have it in ANY of my
call sign databases and all
I know is that it's possibly
long and pointy OR a triangular
plan-form (I can't get a tight
lockdown on which planform type!)

SO I AM SUGGESTING Y'ALL LOOK
for something ELSE in the grapevine
that is acting as the Blitz-play
Running Back craft doing the
REAL BALL CARRYING DUTIES !!!!

All I have is a supposed 80's to 2010's era
call-sign THAT MIGHT indicate someone
is making a Hail-Mary play for the winning
touchdown of secret aircraft right beside
the very public B-21!

a reply to: Zaphod58

ex-Boeing facility?

NGMS + BAE, must have one hell of an EW system on board.

a reply to: Northernhollow

That facility makes the 737 fuselage and 787 components. Spirit was also a major factor in 787 delays for awhile.

a reply to: Zaphod58

I'd imagine they've learned quite a bit about large scale composites manufacturing.

a reply to: Northernhollow

They did. Boeing bought their facility in SC outright because they were so bad at one point. They gutted the management and put their own people in to fix the problem.

originally posted by: StargateSG7
I wouldn't be surprised to see it take some of the load
off the old Rockwell B-1 bombers in terms of LOW-level intrusion and bombing!

Generally high-altitude penetration is preferable to low-level... Not to mention the difference in stress loads. And the fact that the original ATB design went from the simple B-21 configuration to the saw-teeth arrangement specifically for response for low-level penetration, and I think you're seeing the move away from that preferring the lower signature.

originally posted by: BASSPLYR
First of all. Why would he make a statement like that?

Cost and efficiency driven. They have to keep the costs (and the bells and whistles) down.

originally posted by: RadioRobert

originally posted by: StargateSG7
I wouldn't be surprised to see it take some of the load
off the old Rockwell B-1 bombers in terms of LOW-level intrusion and bombing!

Generally high-altitude penetration is preferable to low-level... Not to mention the difference in stress loads. And the fact that the original ATB design went from the simple B-21 configuration to the saw-teeth arrangement specifically for response for low-level penetration, and I think you're seeing the move away from that preferring the lower signature.

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I unfortunately cannot make any more comment
on your response since your points seem to be
quite valid and to the point!

What do YOU THINK of the possibility
that the B-21 is the public media-showcase
brother in a two-person team of ATB
or strategic delivery systems?

One bomber (B21) is public and the OTHER
much more secret and probably REAL FAST !!!!!!!

Well, there's the whole "family of systems" talk, but I doubt there's a hypersonic companion being co-produced under this program, if that's what you're asking. Now if you think about sensor fusion and things like the RQ-170 and whatever else is out and about, combined with things like the X-37, maybe some hush-hush real-time satellite intelligence, etc then you're faced with many companions, and a sort of force multiplier that is pretty formidable.

originally posted by: RadioRobert
Well, there's the whole "family of systems" talk, but I doubt there's a hypersonic companion being co-produced under this program, if that's what you're asking. Now if you think about sensor fusion and things like the RQ-170 and whatever else is out and about, combined with things like the X-37, maybe some hush-hush real-time satellite intelligence, etc then you're faced with many companions, and a sort of force multiplier that is pretty formidable.

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The reason I brought up "The Force Multipliers" equation
is that as an afficionado of military aviation systems,
I know that sometimes there is a KERNEL OF TRUTH
in the many grains of deception that is common
in such rarified manufacturing air!

"Contacts" and "People in the Know" tend
to add things and embellish details about
things they have heard of or actually
know something about. AND I keep
hearing OVER AND OVER about a
SERIES of companion aircraft to
craft such as the F117, the SR-series
RECON craft, the RQ-180, a USAF
two-stage-to-orbit Spaceplane and
other more esoteric craft that are
MORE THAN JUST MERE rumors.
I've got some pretty SOLID EVIDENCE
that TEST BEDS were at least developed
and in some cases, ACTUAL active systems
that are STILL secret.
.
ON a personal level, I keep hearing
about a SPECIFIC CALL SIGN "Sienna-99"
which seems to be a generic codename
for a LARGE AND FAST companion craft
for SOME public programme. Which one,
I don't KNOW! But in case one needs more
hearsay/speculative evidence, I should note
that the word Sienna seems to reference the
Toyata Sienna Minivan which is a PEOPLE MOVER
...but I am saying that a SIENNA moves small things
that move around all by themselves so THAT to me
COULD MEAN a code for a bomber delivering flighty
if not destructive packages!

...OR... a system that delivers
people cargo all over the place
or over a long distance such as
CARRYING HUMANS aka a
Spaceplane or SpecOps
Personnel delivery platform?
.
This B21 thing has got my interest
STOKED in that SOMETHING ELSE
is hidden under the stairs....WHAT IS IT?

a reply to: StargateSG7

Man your posts mess me up. All the random capitalization

a reply to: Bfirez

It may be messed up ...BUT....
It's NOT entirely random... ;-) :-)

It's done to emphasize specific
points and is a by-product of me
using my Delphi/C++ IDE to write
the post and copy it into the
posting system. I'm using
fixed-width fonts so my
posts always seem to look WEIRD!
(and not just their contents ;-)

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ANYWAYS !!!!

Top Secret B-21 Companion Aircraft....

IS THERE ONE OR IS THERE NOT ONE ???

Hearsay and speculative evidence is most welcome!

and Foreign Spies and Spooks looking to spill some beans even better!

Top Secret B-21 Companion Aircraft

F35?

originally posted by: StargateSG7


Top Secret B-21 Companion Aircraft....

IS THERE ONE OR IS THERE NOT ONE ???

My money would be on relatively cheap, modular, battlefield aware Drones like Lockheed's Minion.

Fly whichever configuration/s of robot wingmen you need in ahead of the main asset.

Is there actually any technological reason you couldn't have a Minion type smart drone that can also do Mach 4+ if you need speed?

If the B21's estimated payload is 20 tons it could carry 4 smart drones (at 7500 lbs each) per aircraft.

originally posted by: Jukiodone

originally posted by: StargateSG7


Top Secret B-21 Companion Aircraft....

IS THERE ONE OR IS THERE NOT ONE ???

My money would be on relatively cheap, modular, battlefield aware Drones like Lockheed's Minion.

Fly whichever configuration/s of robot wingmen you need in ahead of the main asset.

Is there actually any technological reason you couldn't have a Minion type smart drone that can also do Mach 4+ if you need speed?

If the B21's estimated payload is 20 tons it could carry 4 smart drones (at 7500 lbs each) per aircraft.

...

Is the Minion Cylindral, painted Yellow having
two oversized cameras on it's upper part and a blue
covering or paint job on the lower part of the object?
Does it also emit a high-pitched warbling sound?

I haven't heard ANYTHING about this LMCO Minion craft.
Care to elaborate?

a reply to: StargateSG7

aviationintel.com...

www.spyflight.co.uk...

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: StargateSG7

aviationintel.com...

www.spyflight.co.uk...

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Who came up that the name Minion?

Minion to me is a cartoon character!
(I know the dictionary meaning as
being an underling or lackey/worker bee)

I would have MUCH preferred the moniker:

"Systematic Granular Death-Strike System 4200"

a reply to: StargateSG7

That was the role it was to perform. It was launched and coordinated with another platform.

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: StargateSG7

That was the role it was to perform. It was launched and coordinated with another platform.

Based on the configuration and it's look,
I would NOT be surprised if it's sea-launch
capable from a submarine system such as
the Seawolf attack sub.

Link:
en.wikipedia.org...

That would be a very formidable loitering cruise missile system!