Former Mexican President Vicente Fox to Trump: We're "Not Paying For That F***ing Wall"

a reply to: mOjOm

Ummm...well then...I'm glad we had this conversation...because now I see that our positions on this topic have more common ground than not...I merely wanted you to consider another possible side of that coin...I think that if we deal honestly with each other and are willing to bridge gaps...then realistic possible approach scenarios might give rise to actualization...

Like you...I realize that the present situation has far more to do with judgement...than justice...

Thank you for speaking with me...


YouSir

a reply to: EmmanuelGoldstein

I would just have to respond to the comments of Senor Fox in one short statement . Mexico Will Pay for the Wall considering the 58 Billion Dollars annually it receives from the United States in Unbalanced Trade Deals . If Trump is Elected President , that Will All Change . Trump will become Mexico's Worst Nightmare.........

a reply to: Zanti Misfit
No. His hard stance will force Mexico off the teet of the United States and will historically be known as Mexico's hero.

a reply to: introvert

the UN handles disputes between nations. th e MExicans continually abuse the US. They can pass resolutions if needed. In th epast these have included restitution and reperation.

THE WALL JUST GOT 10 FEET HIGHER.....im sure that's a repeat

a reply to: Snarl Alex Jones is hardcore Pro Trump and the way he sees it, Trump isn't just a candidate, he is the establishments WORST nightmare and they know that he is getting YUGE , also worried they may kill him.

originally posted by: mOjOm

originally posted by: marg6043
actually he spend more time than ever here in the US lobbying for the support of legalizing Marijuana.

What that tells you.

He's actually a proponent of legalizing all drugs not just MJ and what that tells me is he's actually an intelligent man who sees reality for what it is.
That drug prohibition doesn't and has never worked.
That it also creates a massive criminal underground market leading to more crime not less. It also funds the production of more and better drugs for that market.
It costs lives and money which are off the chart.
It's also removing an individuals freedom to choose their own path in life.
It's also a huge double standard making everyone involved in to a liar and hypocrite.
And those are just the major issues around that subject, there are many more as well.

I agree he feels the War on Drugs has failed bringing Mexico down with it. Just as most all other production in this country now days, drugs are outsourced but to a neighboring country.

a reply to: EmmanuelGoldstein

"I’m not going to pay for that #ing wall! He should pay for it. He’s got the money," Fox said.

Quality.

The above is a joke I couldn't pass up using but seriously though what can Fox actually do? of course Fox is worried about a wall because then he will have to deal with the problems he has created. I'm pretty sure we could find volunteers here in the US who would build it for free.

originally posted by: Medicator
THE WALL JUST GOT 10 FEET HIGHER.....im sure that's a repeat

It also got 10 feet wider to commemorate the Christie endorsement.

originally posted by: AuntB

Former Mexican President Vicente Fox to Trump: We're "Not Paying For That F***ing Wall"

I think the key words here are Former President. Prez Fox is a businessman just like The Donald so he should understand the Donald's thinking. Bottom-line is Former Prex Fox is in no position to be stating if Mexico will be paying for the wall or not.

Trump is in no position to be stating that Mexico should pay for a wall, not as a hopeful or as a president. Exactly how will he make Mexico pay? Once the soundbites that get the fat and the stupid so excited about hearing such things have died down, how exactly do you see them actually being put into practice?

a reply to: uncommitted

Its really easy to get Mexico to pay for the wall. Tariffs taxes on imported goods. The wall could be built in 4 years as well.
Mexico doesn't want it cause they help get their people here. The was will be bypassed how ever it will slow down the movement. By having the wall you can monitor more efficiently as well and to intercept people coming. Now i also believe people should be stuck in a crappy situation just cause of a birth lottery. So im torn. But a country with out a boarder is not a country. We in Florida are getting an influx of older Cubans coming over, getting Social Security and then go back to Cuba. You and me are paying for that. We cant keep paying for people not paying in to the system.

originally posted by: speeddr2000
a reply to: uncommitted

Its really easy to get Mexico to pay for the wall. Tariffs taxes on imported goods. The wall could be built in 4 years as well.
Mexico doesn't want it cause they help get their people here. The was will be bypassed how ever it will slow down the movement. By having the wall you can monitor more efficiently as well and to intercept people coming. Now i also believe people should be stuck in a crappy situation just cause of a birth lottery. So im torn. But a country with out a boarder is not a country. We in Florida are getting an influx of older Cubans coming over, getting Social Security and then go back to Cuba. You and me are paying for that. We cant keep paying for people not paying in to the system.

I get the logic, but the simple answer for Mexico would be to either raise prices to counter the tariff, or concentrate on other markets. Weird how some people support this wall, but not the one in Israel, or the one that used to divide Germany - yeah, I know the reasons may vary, but ultimately they are all designed to do the same thing.

I don't live in America so I'm not paying for any Cubans claiming social security, but trust me, I guess it's not at the same numbers we experience in the UK.....

Thought this was quite interesting - lets remember that Hillary is apparently all about 'building bridges not walls'

Here she is in 2006...

Trump is in no position to be stating that Mexico should pay for a wall, not as a hopeful or as a president. Exactly how will he make Mexico pay?

Simply check his site to see how.

www.donaldjtrump.com...

Compelling Mexico to Pay for the Wall

Introduction: The provision of the Patriot Act, Section 326 - the "know your customer" provision, compelling financial institutions to demand identity documents before opening accounts or conducting financial transactions is a fundamental element of the outline below. That section authorized the executive branch to issue detailed regulations on the subject, found at 31 CFR 130.120-121. It's an easy decision for Mexico: make a one-time payment of $5-10 billion to ensure that $24 billion continues to flow into their country year after year. There are several ways to compel Mexico to pay for the wall including the following:

On day 1 promulgate a "proposed rule" (regulation) amending 31 CFR 130.121 to redefine applicable financial institutions to include money transfer companies like Western Union, and redefine "account" to include wire transfers. Also include in the proposed rule a requirement that no alien may wire money outside of the United States unless the alien first provides a document establishing his lawful presence in the United States.
On day 2 Mexico will immediately protest. They receive approximately $24 billion a year in remittances from Mexican nationals working in the United States. The majority of that amount comes from illegal aliens. It serves as de facto welfare for poor families in Mexico. There is no significant social safety net provided by the state in Mexico.
On day 3 tell Mexico that if the Mexican government will contribute the funds needed to the United States to pay for the wall, the Trump Administration will not promulgate the final rule, and the regulation will not go into effect.
Trade tariffs, or enforcement of existing trade rules: There is no doubt that Mexico is engaging in unfair subsidy behavior that has eliminated thousands of U.S. jobs, and which we are obligated to respond to; the impact of any tariffs on the price imports will be more than offset by the economic and income gains of increased production in the United States, in addition to revenue from any tariffs themselves. Mexico needs access to our markets much more than the reverse, so we have all the leverage and will win the negotiation. By definition, if you have a large trade deficit with a nation, it means they are selling far more to you than the reverse - thus they, not you, stand to lose from enforcing trade rules through tariffs (as has been done to save many U.S. industries in the past).
Cancelling visas: Immigration is a privilege, not a right. Mexico is totally dependent on the United States as a release valve for its own poverty - our approvals of hundreds of thousands of visas to their nationals every year is one of our greatest leverage points. We also have leverage through business and tourist visas for important people in the Mexican economy. Keep in mind, the United States has already taken in 4X more migrants than any other country on planet earth, producing lower wages and higher unemployment for our own citizens and recent migrants.
Visa fees: Even a small increase in visa fees would pay for the wall. This includes fees on border crossing cards, of which more than 1 million are issued a year. The border-crossing card is also one of the greatest sources of illegal immigration into the United States, via overstays. Mexico is also the single largest recipient of U.S. green cards, which confer a path to U.S. citizenship. Again, we have the leverage so Mexico will back down.

Conclusion: Mexico has taken advantage of us in another way as well: gangs, drug traffickers and cartels have freely exploited our open borders and committed vast numbers of crimes inside the United States. The United States has borne the extraordinary daily cost of this criminal activity, including the cost of trials and incarcerations. Not to mention the even greater human cost. We have the moral high ground here, and all the leverage. It is time we use it in order to Make America Great Again.