Orbits in our solar system proof of divine scientific interference?

a reply to: Ghost147

 the first law of thermodynamics did not exist at singularity. Those who reason that under these conditions when there were probably no laws or matter known today during the singularity.
So this raises the question of origin of energy.
The real issue therefore in this discussion is not the origin of the singularity, but the origin of the energy from which the singularity came into existence...
I don't believe what I understand to be at question and that is why I said what I did...
I have refuted the singularity as claim against my statement...

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originally posted by: 5StarOracle
a reply to: Ghost147

 the first law of thermodynamics did not exist at singularity. Those who reason that under these conditions when there were probably no laws or matter known today during the singularity.

And why must everything be identical as it is now when it was in the singularity?

Secondly, Even if the formation of the universe from nothing need not violate conservation of energy. The gravitational potential energy of a gravitational field is a negative energy. When all the gravitational potential energy is added to all the other energy in the universe, it might sum to zero (Guth 1997, 9-12,271-276; Tryon 1973).

originally posted by: 5StarOracle
a reply to: Ghost147
So this raises the question of origin of energy.

Precisely correct. That's what papers such as this give evidence to explain The origin of energy

a reply to: Ghost147

I'm not downloading anything I'm on my phone...
I don't know if that's safe...

I was not saying they were the same before the singularity.
for your argument to have any grounds they would have to be.

So let's hear your explaination for the creation of energy...

By natural means of course....

Unless you are willing to admit it required something beyond natural means or supernatural...

originally posted by: 5StarOracle
a reply to: Ghost147

I'm not downloading anything I'm on my phone...
I don't know if that's safe...

It's a PDF file from a university scientific article. But, completely understandable.

originally posted by: 5StarOracle
a reply to: Ghost147
So let's here your explaination for the creation of energy ...

Already posted in the link

a reply to: Ghost147

I'm not talking about the conservation of energy I'm talking about the origin of energy...
The conservation of energy with Einstein's laws breaks down at the singularity of a black hole...
But that is a different argument...

originally posted by: 5StarOracle
a reply to: Ghost147

I'm not talking about the conservation of energy I'm talking about the origin of energy...

The title of the Scientific Article in the link is about the Origin of Energy. Here's the abstract

a reply to: Ghost147

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originally posted by: 5StarOracle
a reply to: Ghost147

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Woops! pasted the wrong thing in the URL's position. Here you go

a reply to: Ghost147

Well I didn't read it all...
The universe is not all one big black hole...
Because everything is travelling outward not inward...

originally posted by: Ghost147

Science isn't an action, it is just a tool used to understand naturally occurring phenomenon.

What part of applied science is it you don't get? Sending a rocket into space is science, checking up on your favorite stellar colonies is science, bumping the dominating lifeform in just the right direction, is science. For a true scientist a walk in the park is science, and making a perfect cup of coffee would well be science.

There is plenty evidence in the ancient scrolls of extraterrestrial visits up through history, and if we are to believe them these ETs seeded life here and Earth is but a colony among many throughout the Universe. We're not alone. And we have a purpose that we have neglected for far too long. We are turning this planet into plastic toast, an «industrial wasteland» for lack of better words.

The guys up there have a signature, and it is order and perfection. It is evident throughout nature, our local solar system and in the Universe as we have come to know it. And life is probably the rule out there. Life we cannot yet imagine, places we couldn't possibly dream of. Colours you have never seen, and imagine their jazz and their knowledge!!!

Before the word science was invented (in the last half of 19th century) or rather applied or acquired— before it was called science, it was called natural philosophy.

a reply to: Utnapisjtim

The guys up there have a signature, and it is order and perfection. It is evident throughout nature, our local solar system and in the Universe as we have come to know it.

Well if that's true, how come your equations are not perfect? They are not 100% so not perfection.

They make perfection yet we, as a human race, are flawed and, therefore, not perfect.

What about the many diseases that have wiped out million of humans and animals? How is that perfection?

Humans by default are not perfect. The planets are not in a perfect orbit, rotation, tilt either. The Sun has a limited time before it burns out. Our Moon is getting further away. How is any of that perfection?

Odd title as most religions have repressed science for ages... so whats at the other end? Now worshiping science as divine movements that naturally occur? Experience when held just weighs one down with concept after concept... as Occam swings that razor like a blind mad man, and everyone then ends up on the philosophers cross or sophists if one wants to get technical. ssdd

originally posted by: Mandroid7
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No, it is called physics. Gravity, inertia etc...

When you drop a ball, god didn't just do that.

I know right.

a reply to: Utnapisjtim

It doesn't have to be "divine" to have been "designed".
Could have been engineered by a higher race of intelligent beings
OR
These are simply the ways things fall into order.
Possibly, just possibly, these ratios, or digital amounts, existed far before anyone was around to count them.

originally posted by: Utnapisjtim
What part of applied science is it you don't get? Sending a rocket into space is science, checking up on your favorite stellar colonies is science, bumping the dominating lifeform in just the right direction, is science. For a true scientist a walk in the park is science, and making a perfect cup of coffee would well be science.

Yes, all in the name of seeking out knowledge. That is the purpose of science. All the scenarios you've mentioned are due to a seeking of knowledge.

The very origin of the term means 'knowledge' in Latin.

originally posted by: Utnapisjtim
There is plenty evidence in the ancient scrolls of extraterrestrial visits up through history, and if we are to believe them these ETs seeded life here and Earth is but a colony among many throughout the Universe. We're not alone. And we have a purpose that we have neglected for far too long. We are turning this planet into plastic toast, an «industrial wasteland» for lack of better words.

I don't deny this, so why are you bringing it up?

originally posted by: Utnapisjtim
The guys up there have a signature, and it is order and perfection.

How do you get from "seeded life on Earth" to "ordered the planets for no reason"?

And what order are you talking about? Certainly not 'perfection' since the sum of the numbers isn't perfectly '1000', you needed to round up in order to make it fit to your preconceptions.

originally posted by: Utnapisjtim
It is evident throughout nature, our local solar system and in the Universe as we have come to know it. And life is probably the rule out there. Life we cannot yet imagine, places we couldn't possibly dream of. Colours you have never seen, and imagine their jazz and their knowledge!!!

Whoa whoa! slow down! you're blowing up my mind from all this fantastic information....

that I already know...

originally posted by: Utnapisjtim
Before the word science was invented (in the last half of 19th century) or rather applied or acquired— before it was called science, it was called natural philosophy.

Your point being, what?

a reply to: Utnapisjtim

There are so many things that point to an alien intervention. Only, it always are just indications. When the same grade of indications in a manner of speaking are saying cholesterol drugs work, they call it proof.

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a reply to: Utnapisjtim

Whatever OP, my interest has always piqued at the thought of this or the moon sun earth ratios and such things that, I too, see some sort of influence in these numbers than just dead inanimate physics. Thanks for posting since I had forgotten this possibility but can have a look at it now

Edit ps the "whatever" is not for u but for the hordes of ppl who are uppity and angry others see possibilities in the numbers and don't discount everything because a number or two were rounded up a number or what have u

originally posted by: AlexandrosTheGreat
a reply to: Utnapisjtim
Edit ps the "whatever" is not for u but for the hordes of ppl who are uppity and angry others see possibilities in the numbers and don't discount everything because a number or two were rounded up a number or what have u

I assure you no one is angry.

We're just pointing out clear flaws in the logic at hand