Hijab Day..? give me a break you hypocrites

a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

I didn't imply anything.

Yes you did.

Oil is covered by Earth,

This is a given.

treasure is guarded in vaults...

This is also a given.

And a Muslim women's beauty is veiled by a Hijab

Given the two first two examples, one would think that you meant to say that this is a given too.

& I don't care what you asked because it was a loaded gotcha question as well as a Strawman.

So you feel that an answer would hurt your position then?

If a woman chooses to veil her beauty it's none of your business.

Can you then explain why a woman chooses to veil her beauty?

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Well I can't ask them. They aren't in the thread. The OP was though, so I asked him. Though if it makes you happy I'll let that question extend to everyone.

Obtuse as usual.

The point is that you shouldn't be asking the op, since he is not pushing some project with the intention of making people wear things. The hijab day people are.

The op was simply pointing out the hypocrisy. He wasn't actively pushing for muslims to take of their hijabs.

a reply to: DutchMasterChief

Yes you did.

No, I didn't.

Given the two first two examples, one would think that you meant to say that this is a given too.

It's called a metaphor.

So you feel that an answer would hurt your position then?

I haven't taken a position.
Your question is loaded.

I don't argue fallacies.

Can you then explain why a woman chooses to veil her beauty?

I can.

I'm not going to because I'm not here to teach you about modesty or choice.

a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

It's called a metaphor.

Meaning that you are using other examples to say the same thing. Namely that a muslim woman's beauty is veiled like earth covers oil or like treasures are guarded in vaults.

You are clearly equating the one to the other two.

I haven't taken a position. Your question is loaded.

You have not taken position as a muslim and you are not arguing from that point of view? Why is my question loaded. You act as if an answer would cause a problem for you. Why?

I don't argue fallacies.

What fallacy?

I'm not going to because I'm not here to teach you about modesty or choice.

Why would you not teach if a question is asked. I never said anything about choice. I asked you a specific question.

But ok, why do you feel that veiling of beauty equates to modesty then?

a reply to: DumpMaster
Whyshould anyone pay attention to you, your bias is evident.

When I was in school I remember an Indian girl who wore something like that, I don't think she was a Muslim but anyway it didn't bother anyone.

Why does this bother you, are you being forced against your will to wear one, or just good old fashioned Muslim bashing?

a reply to: DutchMasterChief

Sure. Whatever you say. Is that all?

a reply to: DutchMasterChief

Every question you've asked has a subjective selection of answers, making them loaded questions.

They're pointless to answer because no matter what stance is put across pro or con the questioner can say "but what if"...

It's a pointless endeavour.

You have not taken position as a muslim and you are not arguing from that point of view. Why is my question loaded. You act as if an answer would cause a problem for you. Why?

I haven't taken a position as a Muslim.

I have stated my beliefs on choice in matters. Specifically what one wears.

Simple.

You are clearly equating the one the the other two.

Yes, I did.
But not to proclaim that "it's a given"...

Instead to asseverate that if a woman chooses to guard her looks, like someone chooses to guard treasure, she is worth every bit much as more as a diamond and has every right to do so.

But ok, why do you feel that veiling of beauty equates to modesty then?

Why wouldn't it equate to modesty to guard ones looks if that choice has been made?

"Modesty;
The use moderation in the estimation ones qualities/abilities."

To hide beauty is an aspect of modesty.

It could also be an aspect of shyness.

It could also be an aspect of male-centric culture.


I'm discussing the 1st given that it's a choice.

a reply to: Barzini

Using the same logic, you could ask the same thing to the people pushing this hijab day BS. Why are they bothered with making non muslims wear hijabs?

Funny how critical questions are not asked where they should be.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

I guess so since you obviously have no way to refute what I said. Hop along then.

originally posted by: DutchMasterChief
a reply to: Barzini

Using the same logic, you could ask the same thing to the people pushing this hijab day BS. Why are they bothered with making non muslims wear hijabs?

Funny how critical questions are not asked where they should be.

Who is pushing Hijab Day?

We have no source, and all of our Canadian resident members have said they haven't even heard of Hijab Day.


Couldn't be pushing very hard.

By the the way, asking someone if they wish to experience something isn't pushing something.
English language fail, huh?


If someone asks me to try a burger they're not "pushing" anything.
If someone tells me I "should" eat a burger, then they're pushing it.

a reply to: DutchMasterChief

I thought it was obvious that I wasn't trying to refute anything.

a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

worldhijabday.com...

Talk semantics all you want, someone sure is making an effort.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Yes, because you had no way to do so you settled for some passive aggressive remark. Hop on.

originally posted by: DutchMasterChief
a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

worldhijabday.com...

Talk semantics all you want, someone sure is making an effort.

That's a beautiful website, thanks for endorsing a good cause.

I didn't see any "pushing" though.

a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

Like I said, talk semantics all you want.

So the point of the website is to make non muslims in western societies wear a hijab. Funny how it is always about us adapting to muslims.

If the aim is more solidarity, then why aren't they calling for muslims to take off their hijabs, so they can be more like us?


Why are none of you wondering why the hell these people care about what we do or don't wear. Again, hypocrisy.

a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

So if I would launch a website calling on muslim women to take off their hijab's so they can experience what it is like to be a free western woman, in order to bring muslims and non muslims closer together, you would also call this a beautiful website and a great cause?

Sure, and I bet all your muslim friends would love it too.

a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

"Modesty; The use moderation in the ESTIMATION of ones qualities/abilities."

So this means when talking about or making an estimation of ones qualities.

It doesn't mean "to hide ones physical characteristics". Nothing to do with modesty. You are basically saying that western women not wearing a hijab are not modest by definition.

Every question you've asked has a subjective selection of answers, making them loaded questions.

So what, this is only a problem because you obviously feel that an answer would hurt your position. So then you can wonder if your position is correct in the first place. If you have nothing to hide, then answering would not be a problem at all.

thanks for endorsing a good cause.

You obviously don't know what endorsing means. You must think that it means posting a link.

a reply to: DutchMasterChief

According to a link I found on here, written by muslims for clarification of the Quran (can't find it right now) no where in that book does it say anything about covering up a woman's body like many do today...especially the full face kind. According to what I read, Mohamed merely said to modestly cover the cleavage. The head, being a perfect design, isn't supposed to be covered as it would block the use of our ears and, if course, the full face one would block eyes. Since hair is a part of that beauty, no need to cover that either. He said it's not right to cover the natural born beauty of a woman. This all makes a heck of a lot more sense. I think, as with the Bible, it just depends on WHO is doing the interpretation of said writings. The idea of coverings being demanded come from the books (companion books, can't think of the names) written much, much later and were of mortal men's ideas. And too, I guess it also depends on the tribe.

a reply to: DutchMasterChief


I would imagine that they are trying to be friendlyand not "worried" about it at all. When people don't like you sometimes you try and be friendly anyway and if they hate you for that then they aren't worth it.

If they start showing up at your door and handing out Hajibs maybe then you can whine without sounding like an intolerant know it all.

I bet your still a Trump fan and are going to come here and vote for him any way.

a reply to: DutchMasterChief

They don't "choose" to. It was basically "demanded" of them!