Alabama GOP Proposes Frightening New Way To Intimidate Abortion Providers

a reply to: interupt42

I'm not sure, if there is anyone I would trust to know the way to hell it would be Albright.

I think it's worth considering voting for Hillary if you are a woman.

She's only trying to help.

originally posted by: Abysha
a reply to: Krazysh0t

Some people will do everything in their power to stop abortion except for the things that would actually stop abortion (i.e. birth control, sex education, financial assistance to single mothers, overhauling the adoption process, etc).

Are you saying that you do not believe that abortion is an industry that does not defend itself ?

Those abortion providers certainly do like all the business they receive.

originally posted by: greencmp
a reply to: interupt42

I think it's worth considering voting for Hillary if you are a woman.

She's only trying to help.

I dare ask is that sarcasm ?

Its hard to tell these days since some people actually think Hillary has integrity.

originally posted by: interupt42

originally posted by: greencmp
a reply to: interupt42

I think it's worth considering voting for Hillary if you are a woman.

She's only trying to help.

I dare ask is that sarcasm ?

Its hard to tell these days since some people actually think Hillary has integrity.

I like to think I'm pretty consistent.

originally posted by: EmmanuelGoldstein

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Krazysh0t


Well, the abortion provider might be like all those doctors Obama says recommend unnecessary tonsillectomies just make money. He (or she) might be financially motivated to discuss abortion because it makes him (or her) more money than other alternatives, like adoption.

Give me break.
You don't up-sell abortions.

If people need an abortion they have their mind set on getting that abortion before they even call the clinic to get the abortion.

No one gives two s#### what their care provider makes, they will want the abortion either way.

What a waste of time!

The waste of time, is Sex-Ed.

Absolutely nothing but telling people how to get an abortion is basically what has resulted from it.

I would call that UP-SELLING.

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: NthOther

Yes the providers. What business is it to the patient? Why should the doctor have to tell every patient how much they make?
To what end?

Perhaps to show that a good portion of daily life is a freaking scam ?

And that someone is making thousands of dollars per hour performing abortions, lets say for instance ?

How can it be a bad idea to disclose just why , many things, are the way they are.

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: neo96

What im getting at is when you fail to decry wrongful intrusions simply because of a political reason, it advances tyranny just one more step.

Digging into the financial records and making them readily public for any private institution just is not right. No more than requiring drug tests, or the ridiculous hoops you go through to buy a pistol.

Wrong is wrong. Even when its a Republicrat doing it.

Are you so sure that protecting an industry (medical industry) that clearly is as rigged as ANY industry....with health care costs redoubling every 2 years....

IS NOT THE REAL TYRANNY !??

Watching the costs of all of these things skyrocket continuously is not something that should EVER have been allowed.

I'm reasonably sure the women who use those services are aware the doctors and staff are paid.

a reply to: angeldoll

High on the hog, with champagne wishes and caviar dreams?

a reply to: ParasuvO

I think what the objection is is that they are proposing this just for the abortion care, not all healthcare. Considering how much of that other healthcare is subsidized by the gov't and insurance, along with the fact that abortion isn't subsidized by the gov't in most cases, I am sorry but any attempt to justify this as a cost saving measure just doesn't sound that sincere.

they want them to reveal the possible risk posed by abortions, really? how about we make it a fully informed mandate and include the possible risk of carrying a baby to term.

they want to punish doctors with million dollar fines and 10 years of prison for not jumping through these needless hoops, Really?? how about they punish hospitals who will send a women who miscarrying home, not once but twice, only to have her return a third time, this time with a significant signs of infection... so they gave her some aspirin and began the process to discharge her again. But, before they could get her out the door, well, she delivered the baby, which lived only a few hours. The hospital, the doctors couldn't tell her that the best course of action would be to abort the baby, it was a catholic hospital, so they just sent her home. Means sued, and when the case was decided that they court didn't have the authority to interfere with the religious doctrines, well, I believe she appealed.

“In each incident, [Mercy Health Partners] withheld medically indicated treatment and information from pregnant women experiencing emergency situations,” the report reads. “These practices not only risk life-threatening infection, infertility, and health problems, they subject women to unnecessary physical and psychological suffering.”

One woman arrived at the hospital after seeing a fetal limb in her toilet. Staff dilated her, causing “a bulging bag of waters”, but refused her request to break her water and begin delivery, the report says.

“The patient was forced to wait over eighteen hours, while dilated, to complete the miscarriage naturally, resulting in retention of the placenta (a leading cause of maternal hemorrhaging and death) and additional, and potentially unnecessary, surgical intervention to remove it,” the report says. Later, a test of the placenta was positive for infection.

Another woman arrived in the early stages of miscarriage with an elevated temperature and heart rate, the report says. After a natural miscarriage, that woman also required surgery to remove the placenta – which also tested positive for acute infection.

Yet another patient who arrived with signs of infection was sent home twice without appropriate intervention, the report claims. That woman, Tamesha Means, is suing the US Conference of Catholic Bishops in federal court for enforcing a policy that caused her to receive below-standard care.

www.theguardian.com...

laws are being passed across this nation to make abortions more and more difficult to have access to.... many in the cloak of "protecting women's health". well, let's be fair and honest about it! if abortion doctors should be fined a million dollars and spend 10 years in jail for not disclosing their finances to their patients, well, then just what should be the penalty for these hospitals that will risks women's lives before they will reveal to them that what is considered to be the standard method of treatment is to deliver the baby or offer to arrange for the women to be sent to a hospital that would give the women adequate care!

originally posted by: interupt42
a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

but we elect them, right? Its the government we apparently deserve.

Do we really elect them at this point in time ? Are people really being told the truth to make solid educated decisions on who they vote for?

It appears that the DNC,GOP,and MSM elect them for the people after the Oligarch vets them. Thats without even going into the electoral college or foreign entities that run our voting machines or how the manipulate the issues and propaganda.


The political cheerleaders voters that fell for the slogan vote or die or the lesser evil and who continue to believe and support the DNC and the GOP are the ones that are causing the issues in the country.

However, they are constantly lied to and kept to busy to not fall for the distractions to keep them from actually seeing what’s going on.

Take a look around and then ask yourself that.

You cannot have a political discusion without it breaking down into left vs right politics. The People, no matter what they say on Facebook, are bought into the political/electoral system lock, stock, and barrel.

If The People didn't vote for Dems or Repubs, then perhaps you'd have a point. But as it stands, it obvious that the overwhelming majority plan to continue supporting The Government They Deserve with their votes.

I'm all for it. Can we call all the murderers in prison undocumented doctors who performed a medical procedure, too?

There IS money in killing babies. Like it or not, this is a fact. Would this bill be authoritarian? Sure. But how is the system in place not? It isn't like the soon to be born have a say in the matter.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Wait so when the GOP doesn't want to perform eugenics on minorities and the poor its a bad thing? I have to wonder about leftist rhetoric at times.

a reply to: NihilistSanta

ya know what's funny?? if you listen to the griping about the welfare system, well, it seems like many times these welfare recipients are portrayed as being blacks. then you will hear how they are popping out babies left and right... for the benefits...

but, oh ya, oh those little black babies are being murdered before they are born, so how can they be popping out?

it's not eugenics to allow the women and her doctor decide on weather or not a pregnancy should come to term, especially in the first trimester when most abortions occur. and well, sometimes, it's the best medical advice a doctor can give a women.

originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: NihilistSanta

ya know what's funny?? if you listen to the griping about the welfare system, well, it seems like many times these welfare recipients are portrayed as being blacks. then you will hear how they are popping out babies left and right... for the benefits...

but, oh ya, oh those little black babies are being murdered before they are born, so how can they be popping out?

it's not eugenics to allow the women and her doctor decide on weather or not a pregnancy should come to term, especially in the first trimester when most abortions occur. and well, sometimes, it's the best medical advice a doctor can give a women.

WRONG!

"Actual percentage of U.S. abortions in "hard cases" are estimated as follows: in cases of rape, 0.3%; in cases of incest, 0.03%; in cases of risk to maternal life, 0.1%; in cases of risk to maternal health, 0.8%; and in cases of fetal health issues, 0.5%. About 98.3% of abortions in the United States are elective, including socio-economic reasons or for birth control."

Source

Whether individuals "agree" with the medical procedure of abortion or not is not the issue here.

Does a State have the right to require a medical professional, based on one specific procedure that they perform, to deny their right to privacy, their personal rights as individuals, in order to ply their trade?

Saying "yes" is stating unequivocally that Governments have the right to directly interfere in our lives based on the religious beliefs of some people, that they can selectively void personal liberty and privacy whenever they feel like it, as well as to dictate a citizen's ability to engage in legal commerce.

originally posted by: ParasuvO
The waste of time, is Sex-Ed.

Absolutely nothing but telling people how to get an abortion is basically what has resulted from it.

I would call that UP-SELLING.

If that's what you think real sex-ed is about that explains a lot. You were obviously either taught wrong or not at all which is why you think like you do. The U.S. has more teen pregs. than any other modern nation in comparison and the difference is they are actually taught real sex-ed unlike the U.S. Because the abstinence only religious BS that is clouding the truth in the U.S. to various degrees resulting in a whole spectrum of information, misinformation or just plain ignorance.

Also, if you think women are being up-sold into abortion like it's some kind out day shopping for a gift then you must have a pretty sad outlook toward women and very little respect for them or their ability to make choices in their lives. But that's another one of those religious ideals so often messing with humanity. Which is the idea that women are lacking something which would enable them to make such choices for themselves and therefore needing a man or some other authority to make it for them. Yet those same authorities wouldn't dare let someone make that decision for themselves if the shoe was on the other foot.

originally posted by: Tempter
I'm all for it. Can we call all the murderers in prison undocumented doctors who performed a medical procedure, too?

If you want to play with language sure. But they're still going to prison because their patient never asked for the procedure on top of the fact that they weren't qualified to perform it.

Neither of which would be the case in a medical abortion.

So what difference does the language make??

originally posted by: NihilistSanta
Wait so when the GOP doesn't want to perform eugenics on minorities and the poor its a bad thing? I have to wonder about leftist rhetoric at times.

Statistically it's non-hispanic white women who get the most abortions percentage wise and they aren't the minority so your argument fails before it even gets off the ground.

Clever try with the race angle and all but that's not what abortions are really about despite what some propaganda you may have read or been told.

This is why I left the GOP. They seem to be "stuck on stupid". Not just because they have no business dictating patient care when they aren't doctors, but because they propose silly laws like this and look like vindictive, "holier than thou'", control freaks. What's next? medical disclosure before I can mortgage my house