UK Referendum 23 June 2016 - Will it be an EU BREXIT or Not?

originally posted by: RP2SticksOfDynamite

originally posted by: grainofsand
a reply to: RP2SticksOfDynamite

Lol, no offence taken!
I assumed a separate 100% for the 'eligible' voters.
I'd prefer that to be honest as the ineligible are as irrelevant as EU citizens who live in the UK.
Nice one taking the time in this thread though

Then %'s for the eligible voters is 62.16 Leave, 17.57 Stay and 12.16 Undecided.

Haha.

You ignore me anyways but you figures do make me chuckle...

I always think the best way to decide a huge referendum on a major decision is to fabricate a forced thread on an off topic forum on a conspiracy site and then fudge the numbers.

Go your team Woooo hooooo.

Or this is just silly.

Who knows eh?

a reply to: nonspecific

Lol, the lack of 100% figures does damage credibility a little.

originally posted by: grainofsand
a reply to: nonspecific

Lol, the lack of 100% figures does damage credibility a little.

Why when I have given the 100% figures for both eligible only and including non eligible!

Do the maths.

originally posted by: grainofsand
a reply to: nonspecific

Lol, the lack of 100% figures does damage credibility a little.

It is an interesting and close fought thing I do not dispute this.

What I have an objection to is the utter nonsense of this biased thread that demeans all of us.

It is retarded at best and it is a shame as there are many issues still to ponder.

Anyhows. Good luck with the absurdity of this OP and well done to those that are actually discussing the ins and outs of this.


We shall see.

a reply to: eletheia

How come theres a lot of English people who are in the SNP and want an independent Scotland if it's only for Scots. We have lots of other nationalities as well.

You don't know much about it do you ?

a reply to: 83Liberty

Oil price has no bearing on whether Scotland can be independent or not. Anyway the price is going up again. The biggest losers of oil revenues with indy Scot is England. Scotland would be far better off even with low price.

Polls now show support for indy has risen above 50%. Probably a lot to do with the Vow being found out a lie.

Definition of boring = 1966 whats that now 50 years lol

originally posted by: bigyin
a reply to: 83Liberty

Definition of boring = 1966 whats that now 50 years lol

That makes it vintage boring. There's a subtle difference.

But then, Sassenach's can be very subtle

a reply to: berenike

originally posted by: bigyin
How come theres a lot of English people who are in the SNP and want an independent Scotland if it's only for Scots. We have lots of other nationalities as well.
You don't know much about it do you ?

You have stats for that ^^^^^

After all why would anyone other than a Scot be interested in an

independent Scotland?

However I would concede there maybe a 'trickle' of other

nationalities in the SNP .... but then there's no accounting for the

few *Homo Coprophagus Somnambulus* that exist to support every

lost cause that pops up.

a reply to: eletheia

My friend you would be surprised how many English people are here in Scotland and they are more Scottish than Scottish folk and they want to be rid of Westminster corruption as badly as I do.

There are in fact many many nationalities not only SNP members but actually elected members.

No I don't have stats for how many English people are in SNP. I doubt that would be something anyone would be counting. We don't make distinction between nationalities. I will see if I can find any data on the subject.

Update:

I found THIS piece which talks about the number of English people who have joined the SNP and who live in ENGLAND, never mind in Scotland. There's even people going to move to Scotland according to the article just so they can get away from Westminster.


WIKI gives current SNP membership at 115,000. It was 25,000 on the day of the referendum. SNP is now third largest party in UK only slightly behind Conservative at 149,000 and Labour at 388,000. 1 in every 50 Scots is now a member of SNP.


Just found T HIS GUY who is English, lives in Scotland, is now a SNP councillor and runs a campaign to encourge the estimated 500,000 English people living in Scotland to vote SNP. To all those who say SNP is anti English please have a read at what he is saying.

originally posted by: bigyin


No I don't have stats for how many English people are in SNP. I doubt that would be something anyone would be counting. We don't make distinction between nationalities. I will see if I can find any data on the subject.

I doubt that would be something anyone rational would admit to!!

a reply to: bigyin

To be honest, if I lived in Scotland, and the SNP wanted Scottish independence free from the EU then I'd be tempted to give them my vote. Many of their policies I support, but a few key ones I don't, same problem I have with all major political parties. And I'm Welsh.
It doesn't surprise me that people who are not Scottish are members and/or vote SNP. I also imagine the majority of EU nationals in Scotland are SNP voters as the party gave them the vote in their referendum, and the party is strongly pro-EU.

originally posted by: grainofsand
a reply to: bigyin

To be honest, if I lived in Scotland, and the SNP wanted Scottish independence free from the EU then I'd be tempted to give them my vote.

I would definitely vote for the SNP if they didn't support the EU and if I was Scottish.
Our (the conservatives) government are a disgrace. Even when the SNP won the majority of the seats in Scotland, that couldn't stop the Conservatives getting a majority. Not much democracy for the Scottish people in my view so I totally get where they are coming from. However. I wouldn't call for another referendum so soon after the last one.

a reply to: 83Liberty

Agreed.
It's just the pro EU thing would kill it for me, and it's a pity because many of their (SNP) policies are spot on.
I'd be happier with a UK 'collective' independent from the EU...but if the Scots wish to leave for the EU then so be it.
They may come to rue the day they backed that horse though, and I guess only upcoming events will tell.

I just read about how the Netherlands are having a referendum to try to block an EU agreement for closer relations with Ukraine!!

A bunch of bloggers managed to take advantage of a new Netherlands law which allows advisory referendums.
427,000 people signed the petition to get this referendum going and it's being held this Wednesday 6th April.

www.bbc.co.uk...

If the Dutch vote No, then that would provide additional evidence that the UK are not alone in wanting out of the EU.

a reply to: 83Liberty

Anti EU feeling is strong in Europe.
I love European people, but I don't love the political organisation that is trying to take sovereignty from our respective ancient nations.

a reply to: grainofsand

The way I personally see it working is the UK as a whole vote to leave EU.

Scotland protests and has another referendum and independence is secured.

However at that point we are already out of the EU because as stated during last referendum Scotland would have to negotiate it's way back into the EU. At that point some of the conditions of membership are too much for some and there are calls to not bother going back in. So we don't and we stay out, but as an Independent country.

The SNP itself would wither because people like me and there are a lot of us see the SNP as good for one thing only and that is Independence. Some of the things they are doing now I don't agree with but I will stick with them because its the only possible route to rid ourselves of Westminster control.

Once Independence is secured I and others can vote for any of the new parties that will spring up offering all sorts of new ways.

Whether Scotland ends up right wing, left wing, or some other wing is anybodies guess. You can't tell just now because everyone is focused on one thing, Independence.

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NHS under threat inside the EU

Vote Leave research has revealed that our inability to control the number of people entering the UK is having a severe impact on our NHS. Net migration from the EU has risen substantially over the last decade, with 1.1 million people added to the UK population – the equivalent of a city the size of Birmingham. This has put extra pressure on GP registrations, A&E units and hospital waiting times. As the Employment Minister Priti Patel pointed out in the Sun on Sunday this weekend, the number of people going to A&E has increased by 60% since 2002, while those waiting for more than four hours to be treated rose 228%.
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Uncontrolled migration has also put the NHS under financial pressure, with births to mothers from other EU countries costing the NHS £1.3 billion over the past 10 years. Indeed, ‘rising demand’ for NHS services is one of the principal reasons identified by regulators for the NHS’s forecast £2.4 billion deficit this year.

EU law is also threatening the safety of patients in the UK. Brussels requires the UK automatically to recognise the qualifications of doctors trained in other EU member states. This is despite the fact that the level of training of doctors throughout the EU varies greatly. The General Medical Council has raised concerns over this, especially as more than one in ten doctors working in the UK gained their initial qualification in the EU. On top of this, systematic checks on whether EU doctors can speak English remain illegal under EU law.
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After we Vote Leave, we can take back control of our borders so our NHS does not suffer under the weight of pressure of its users. We can help protect the safety of patients, and spend the £350 million we send to Brussels every week on our priorities like the NHS. The only way to do this is to Vote Leave on 23 June.

Steel industry in danger under EU rules

Our steel industry is in crisis. Unfortunately, there is little we can do about it whilst we remain in the EU. The Government claimed at the weekend that it would encourage the public sector to buy UK steel – but under EU law this is illegal. The Government has made clear that it opposes the EU’s damaging public procurement rules, but the Prime Minister’s renegotiation has done nothing to change them.

We have handed over control of our trade policy to the EU. This means that our Government is impotent to save our steel industry. Any attempts to do so will be shut down by EU judges. The only way to take back control so we can support our vital industries is to Vote Leave on 23 June.
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PS: OP out of action until Thursday.

The main aim of the EU Brussels machine is:
1 Nation, 1 flag, 1 anthem, 1 currency, 1 parliament, 1 court, 1 president, 1 army etc. That is the EU's ultimate goal.
They do not want 28 individual countries with their own flags, presidents/prime ministers etc

The very thing that the UK and USA fought WW2 for.

OUT, OUT, OUT!

Benjamin Wrench,who is a barrister who has specialised in financial

services for 20 years writes *The EU is systematically undermining the

City's success* only by stepping outside the dysfunctional EU system

can we achieve true freedom in market economics.


For more than 40 years the UK has been trying to reform the EU from

within David Cameron's inadequate renegotiations, have only shown

how impossible any true reform is in the EU.


In a market economy it is the consumer who is sovereign... BUT...the

President of the EU Commission recently pointed out *There can

be no democratic choices against EU treaties*


To protect its single currency(that will be the next thing forced on

the UK?) the EU disregards both democracy and market economics.


The EU problems are systemic - coded into its DNA at its conception.

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