British Immam found dead in Rochdale, Greater Manchester with head injuries!

a reply to: angeldoll

I am a married gay man and what I get from your post is if I get murdered then the perpetrator should get a longer prison term (due to the fact I was gay) than if they killed a straight person?

That's not justice, that's favouritism and that is the root cause of Racism, Homophobia etc when folk see other groups of people being treated differently under the law!!

originally posted by: JetBlackStare
Anyways, a children's park? That's chilling and let's just hope a coincidence.

Perhaps just a case of "convenient empty space", if the murder was at night when children were not around.
One scenario; he agreed to a secret rendezvous and got ambushed.
A simpler possibility; the body was thrown over the fence (or whatever) to get it out of sight and delay discovery.

originally posted by: anxiouswens
Could be there was a similar incident reported recently where a female muslim said she had been attacked for wearing an hijab and blamed it on Islamophobia but when CCTV was looked at she had lied!a reply to: flammadraco

www.itv.com...

Concur!

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
a reply to: angeldoll

*sigh*

Are they still dead?

Okay. After that fabulous analogy I gave you, your response should be "Yes, I understand now, Angeldoll. Thank you for making that clear to me."

Not "sigh".

a reply to: flammadraco
Sorry but your post is completely wrong or intentionally misleading.
There are no extra employment (or other) laws that apply to protected groups. You are protected from discrimination on the basis of race, religion, gender or sexuality. Not based on what race, religion, gender or sexuality you are.

a reply to: angeldoll

But they are still dead. Killing someone is killing someone whether you do it because they are gay, straight, white, black or because you do not like the shirt they are wearing.

originally posted by: anxiouswens
www.mirror.co.uk...

This is breaking in all British news media. Immam in Rochdale found dead in childrens playground with serious head injuries.

Too early to judge but I hope this isnt an hate crime targeting him because he is muslim.

This could turn really nasty if it is an hate crime because there are a large part of the population who are muslim. If they retaliate out of anger things could quickly spiral out of control.

I appreciate this is a terrible crime but I just hope everyone keeps their cool and looks at the bigger picture for all our sakes!

a 7 year old girl got raped at a playground by a "refugee" and it didnt get reported on at all for months. But this seems to have gotten reported on withouth delay...

originally posted by: flammadraco
a reply to: angeldoll

I am a married gay man and what I get from your post is if I get murdered then the perpetrator should get a longer prison term (due to the fact I was gay) than if they killed a straight person?

That's not justice, that's favouritism and that is the root cause of Racism, Homophobia etc when folk see other groups of people being treated differently under the law!!

No, no. I'm just saying the person committing a "hate crime" would be more likely to do it again than a person who did it for an intimate reason, like in a marriage. They would be more likely to commit random murders.

a reply to: ScepticScot

I talk from experience after working in my industry for over 20 years and now having over 13 sites across the UK with over 700 staff.

An example - Two male staff both stealing, both been working for over a year, One is gay the other straight. I would be able to dismiss the straight employee without battering an eyelid or worrying about repercussions if their service was under 2 years. However I would have to jump through hoops to dismiss the gay employee to make sure the dismissal was not construed as homophobic. This has happened and unless you have staff and a business then you do not know what you are talking about.

I stand by my statement that if you are a white hetrosexual male in the UK, you have less employment rights than anyone else , because everyone else either plays the "Race Card, Gay Card, Woman Card, Ageism Card etc etc" this is a FACT.

Sorry to burst your bubble!!

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
a reply to: angeldoll

But they are still dead. Killing someone is killing someone whether you do it because they are gay, straight, white, black or because you do not like the shirt they are wearing.

Agreed. And the person committing a single homicide, and the person committing hate crimes would both be punished. But you see, there is something slightly more sinister about a hate crime. To me, anyway.

a reply to: angeldoll

But they should get the same prison sentence no matter who they murdered is the point I am making. Otherwise the courts are valuing the lives of some people over that of others!

As others have said, in all cases the person is dead, so they should receive maximum punishment no matter who was killed!

originally posted by: flammadraco
a reply to: angeldoll

But they should get the same prison sentence no matter who they murdered is the point I am making. Otherwise the courts are valuing the lives of some people over that of others!

As others have said, in all cases the person is dead, so they should receive maximum punishment no matter who was killed!

But look at the motive. Did someone kill the Iman because he raped his daughter or something? Or did they kill the Iman only because of what he represents to them?

a reply to: angeldoll

ALL murder is a hate crime.

a reply to: JetBlackStare

He left Mosque at night so i believe there were no children in the park that time. Children parks also parks in general are very popular places for youth to meet up also places where robberies do happen.
It is too soon to say who did it.
Its important to keep safety not only muslims safety but also nonmuslims.

a reply to: angeldoll

Doesn't matter in my opinion - YOu murder someone and get found guilty for it then you should get an automatic life imprisonment no matter who was killed.

On the other point you made about killing them if they raped their daughter, then it's still murder but with mitigating circumstances and thus the reason we have different levels of murder in our judicial system for circumstances such as this. For example if the father of the raped daughter went out with the intetion to kill the perpetrator, then that's murder. If however the father went out with the intention of whopping the guys ares and kills him in the process, then that would probably be classed as "manslaughter".

originally posted by: flammadraco
a reply to: angeldoll

But they should get the same prison sentence no matter who they murdered is the point I am making. Otherwise the courts are valuing the lives of some people over that of others!

As others have said, in all cases the person is dead, so they should receive maximum punishment no matter who was killed!

I disagree. Murder should result in a death sentence. But that's a subject for another thread

a reply to: flammadraco

we have different levels of murder in our judicial system for circumstances such as this

Exactly.

a reply to: angeldoll

Jack the ripper apparently hated prostitutes enough to kill a bunch of them, but his murders would not be a hate crime under UK legislation because prostitutes are not a protected group.

Homeless people get kicked to death by people who hate rough sleepers...again not a protected group so no hate crime there either.
Yep, ridiculous legislation.

a reply to: angeldoll

But...... from your posts, I feel you think that murdering a "Protected Group" person (such as myself) should be treated more harshly! Thats wrong!

As someone so eloquently put "All Murder is a Hate Crime"

originally posted by: flammadraco
a reply to: angeldoll

I am a married gay man and what I get from your post is if I get murdered then the perpetrator should get a longer prison term (due to the fact I was gay) than if they killed a straight person?

That's not justice, that's favouritism and that is the root cause of Racism, Homophobia etc when folk see other groups of people being treated differently under the law!!

You're not looking at it logically.


If someone was killed specifically because they was a straight person by an extremist heterophobe it would still be a hate crime.