Here we Go Again; Idaho Senate panel Want The Bible In Science Class

Ok, does anybody here truly believe that the Bible should be learned to kids in school, outside of special certain religion study classes?

Some say that religion is the cause for many of troubles in the world. It is not religion by itself, but the interpretation. You know, Muslims worship the same God as Christians. The difference is within their interpretation. And also that belief that everybody must also worship God.

Science has nothing to do with the Bible, and it should not even occur within a science class. Many literature contains reference to Christianity, so ok I can see it maybe mentioned in some literature cases, but then many literature also does not have anything to do with Christianity, or they have to do with other religions. And history of course has many events relating to religion, but definitely not only Christianity.

I hear this so often in American news, about people wanting the Bible to be a feature in school classes.

I don't understand it. It is like there are people who will force a certain religion upon their countrymen. This is the makings of disaster. Surely they know that it will only cause trouble?

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: Semicollegiate

Pure faith is a bit of a stretch. There is a reason it is the science books, ones that are not thousands of years old written by people who weren't there for the stuff they wrote about.

Oh and go quote, guess we should just get rid of school then because of Lenin.

Kids could learn everything from the internet, each class offered in hundreds of variations with online tutors.

Socializing would then be around doing stuff, fun or otherwise.

There is no proof of Human Caused Global Warming. All of the proof in favor of it is in the future. Like any other Judgment Day, the prophet reveals a future day in the next generation, but makes his followers obey and contribute today.

The more that things change the more they stay the same.

Idaho Republicans are pushing a bill that would allow teachers to cite the Bible as a reference book in science classes.

Showing how the Book of Genesis could be interpreted scientifically is a nice way to bring the Creationists into an accordance with the Big Bang and Evolutionary Biology in a way they can understand.

What's the problem here again?

A Democratic senator questioned why the bill was necessary, because teachers are already permitted to highlight biblical allusions in history and literature, but Nuxoll said a statute was needed to highlight the Bible’s importance.

Isn't this a violation of the establishment clause?

Edit; It seems like a harmless legislation but I think they're just trying to get their foot in the door with this statute. I'm sure the original bill proposed was far more unreasonable in the use of the bible in public schools.

originally posted by: windword
Geology? Every animal on earth walked, flew or swam to their respective continents after Noah's Flood.

Don't forget the walruses who dragged themselves across an entire continent with nothing but their flippers.

originally posted by: Murgatroid
Science 'Fiction' is ALREADY being taught...

The reason why is obvious:

“Education is a weapon, whose effect depends on who holds it in his hands and at whom it is aimed.” ~ Joseph Stalin

"I begin with the young." ~ Adolf Hitler

"He alone, who owns the youth, gains the future." ~ Adolf Hitler

I'll one up you. In 1436, the year the Gutenberg Press was invented there were virtually no laws on censorship. One could write and distribute anything they wished, they were also free to say anything they wished... though they usually had to participate in the local religion. Within 20 years of the printing press every nation had strict censorship laws because those in power realized that they would only remain in power if they could ensure ideas favorable to them were spread.

Know what was most heavily printed and distributed? Censorship and all? The Bible.

originally posted by: Spider879

originally posted by: jhn7537
a reply to: Spider879

Why would they want to teach fiction to students?

Because some are nutty like that?? and for others it's a system of control, the less knowledgeable the populous the easier it is to exert control

Exactly. If you give an opportunity for control to a group of people, some of those people are going to use it to control others for their own satisfaction. Police officers abusing their authority, judges giving harsher sentences to people they don't like, a boss who makes you work late all the time because you don't kiss their ass enough... And religious people.
There are many religious people who, whether or not they even realize why they're doing it, will push their religion on others because subconsciously they get some form of satisfaction from having control over what another person thinks or believes. In its simplest form, it's an extension of the human psychological trait of desiring to be part of a group, or to "fit in". The more people who belong to your group, the more validation you feel that you are "right" or "good", and therefore, you feel good about forcing other people to be exposed to your beliefs. Have you ever encountered someone who seemed to become irritated or even angry when they discovered that you had a different belief than them? That's exactly what I'm talking about.
Forcing students to be exposed to biblical stories as part of a science class has nothing to do with science and everything to do with religious people wanting to control others.
If you have any doubt in your mind, then please explain to me how two animals mating in front of a branch with stripes painted on it will cause the animals to create striped offspring. Any non-retarded person will obviously say that that's nonsense and can't happen. The bible is not science, it's stories.

a reply to: Helicopter

It's a pretty natural thought process. People believe the Bible contains the truth, therefore they want to teach it to all that they can in order to have an enlightened society. This isn't something unique to Christianity, people of all religions, philosophies, and ideologies do this.

Few have the patience and wisdom to recognize that if what they found on their own is the truth, then others should be capable of coming to the same realization on their own. And those that do, find themselves pushed out of the debate by those who are far more pushy and impatient.

If I understood the argument of the person in the article correctly, they argued that the Bible needs to be specifically called out because it has a unique position in American culture. That's the part that bothers me. Either the Bible and other books are being looked at for historical and scientific contributions on their own merits (and arguably, these could be more easily seen in books from a totally different culture), or it's an attempt to promote one specific religion in schools.

I actually am a fan of having the Bible alongside other such books studied... but I think it's a real stretch to use them in any sort of scientific context.

Idaho is a beautiful state. It has much to offer. Unfortunately it has been taken over by mormons, seventh day adventist, evangelicals, and bigots. The religious political machine has the minds of the Idaho voter. Their education system is archaic. The property in Northern Idaho is cheap because they keep increasing the property taxes to cover tax cuts, with no road improvements etc. I have many family ties to Idaho and it is next door. So sad, before Reagan and before it went to a right to work state, it was a prosperous state for the working class.

I grew up in a household of thinking republicans and can remember when the discourse was deeper and there was less idiotic braying and bible thumping... the GOP has really, truly lost the plot and I can't see how anyone able to tie their shoes can count themselves among their ranks...

it's deeply, completely embarrassing... and no, this isn't hyperbolic ranting... it's the plain truth.

We would actually be better off with two (or more) viable parties ... where are the adults? Is the pay for public service too low?

It sounds like a Sharia type theocracy is emerging to blend West and Middle East.

AND IT ENDS NOW!!!!!!!! Wide awake and NO!!!!

Why not? The US has gone crazy and everything is backwards. Criminals are now freedom fighters, patriots are terrorists,
A man in a dress won woman of the year, socialism is virtuous, so why not use the bible as a reference book in science class?
Some one suggested using Mad magazine in gym class. Why not? The kids need a little culture anyway.

originally posted by: Baddogma
I grew up in a household of thinking republicans and can remember when the discourse was deeper and there was less idiotic braying and bible thumping... the GOP has really, truly lost the plot and I can't see how anyone able to tie their shoes can count themselves among their ranks...

it's deeply, completely embarrassing... and no, this isn't hyperbolic ranting... it's the plain truth.

We would actually be better off with two (or more) viable parties ... where are the adults? Is the pay for public service too low?

Me too. They went off the deep end with the Neo-Cons, Tea Partiers, Fundamentalists, etc.

There is no governing platform in the GOP anymore - - - they're just insane.