Marine Veteran attacked in DC McDonalds after being asked if he thinks "black lives matter"

originally posted by: BiffWellington

originally posted by: Sublimecraft
a reply to: chuck258



In regards to those particular perpetrators - they have just answered their own question as to whether or not black lives matter.

I'm guessing they didn't really care whether this guy thought black lives matter or not. They just wanted his money. Crack doesn't pay for itself you know.

This point of view is extremely narrow minded and limiting.

The end result is not always the reason for the crime. These guys didn't attack him because they wanted to rob him, they attacked him because he was Whi. . . . . sorry, because he didn't answer their obviously antagonistic question. His wallet and credit cards were just a bonus.

originally posted by: NateTheAnimator
This becomes yet another example of why I and many other black people have distanced our selves from the black community...This type of racially motivated incident would honestly make MLK role in his damn grave.
smh...

Thank you sir.

I don't say this because I'm happy that a Black man is distancing himself from his own race - I'm talking about the last part. And it falls in line with what I mentioned in the OP. Race relations have been devastated since President Obama took office. With the obvious and blatant support of movements like BLM by ironically powerful celebrities (ironic in the sense that it is claimed that Black people are oppressed, yet people like Will Smith, as good of an actor as he is, is claiming oppression while being worth approximately 8000 average evil white men) and politicians. They also get 'justifications' for their actions from powerful people like the President who inserts himself into particularly sensitive cases and gives a spiel about how essentially racist White people are. This combination of powerful endorsements removes inhibitions and inflames racial tension where their ought not be any. I seriously wonder how many White people have been victimized by Black people that have been emboldened (whether they realize it or not) by Celebrities like Beyonce and given "justification" by people like Obama, and committed a crime against White people not out of need, but out of a lack of focus, boredom, or anger if another person uses one of these endorsements to say, go on a tirade on Twitter.

I have seen it myself on facebook. I have several Black acquaintances who, more recently, have been putting, shall we say, inflammatory racial articles, comments, etc. that they never really did before. One of them is gay and before, he would put normal stuff other people might put, he got cut off in traffic, saw a hot guy at work, etc. The other guy is really interested in sports and Nikes. More recently HE has been putting much more racially charged things. Commenting on how no previous commanding officers in his military unit have been black, "you keep your Confederate Flag, I'll keep my Black Power Fist", etc. Completely out of character for them (I have more, but have not noticed a huge amount of change in all of them) As I said, this Presidents administration, and powerful Black celebrities are fanning the flames of racial turbulence, and most of it is imagined, extremely twisted to suit the racial agenda, or just pulled out of thin fuc*ing air. I don't think that the two friends I commented on would be the types to go out and commit a crime because of it, but they are still much more sympathetic and their mindset is getting narrower and narrower. What I do worry about however are the ones who WILL be motivated to go out and do something about their anger. THAT is why I say racial progress has done an about face. No matter what the topic, there are always going to be minds that get so manipulated to actually do something. With the sheer increase in racially charged topics, it's pound to catch more in the drag net. It follows the same pattern as polls of Americans who say, fear terrorism. Right now, today, if you did a poll, lets say 30% of Americans fear an imminent terror attack. But fast forward to say, another attack in Paris. The number of people who fear an attack would reasonably jump, maybe to say 50, or even 60%. That's because 1: it's fresh, 2: its at the fore front of what is going on. Well, if 3 years ago, you heard of a story that might be racist, it's going to get SOME people riled up and angry, and likely, a miniscule (but not 0) amount of people may vent their anger in one way or another. But now fast forward to today, and the news feed is never clear of another "racist" event, that miniscule amount of people that may vent their anger is going to increase, some simply because it's the one that pushed them over the edge, others because it just popped up in their news feed and they would have popped whenever the next racist story came along.

a reply to: chuck258

I don't say this because I'm happy that a Black man is distancing himself from his own race - I'm talking about the last part. And it falls in line with what I mentioned in the OP. Race relations have been devastated since President Obama took office. With the obvious and blatant support of movements like BLM by ironically powerful celebrities (ironic in the sense that it is claimed that Black people are oppressed, yet people like Will Smith, as good of an actor as he is, is claiming oppression while being worth approximately 8000 average evil white men) and politicians

The problem is simple, the black community now a days puts extreme merits on racial identification. Where you now have movements like BLM advocating for violence,social justice and other despicable things against people of other racial group all in the name of black oppression. Don't be fooled though, racism of all colors is still a legitimate issue and shouldn't be taken lightly due to these juveniles.
However my issue with them is that many of them think racism and institutionalized discrimination apply not just on a racial basis but specifically affects only the black community which is nonsense.

Many of them then use this as an excuse for why their still stuck in the ghettos and other equally impoverished areas of the U.S. The weird thing is their kind of right, however the oppression isn't coming from the big had privileged white man. They're oppressing themselves through cultural and lifestyle advocation that being poor in the ghettos, being a part of a black community that incites violence and advocates criminal activity is better than breaking free from the bondage of poverty and making something for yourself through furthering ones education and life skills. Don't get me wrong there are many of those even in this community whom do neither.

It seriously breaks my heart to hear/read incidents like this because I honestly wished that I could stand beside my fellow black people,feel proud that as a racial group we survived ACTUAL oppression and in turn should be providing a better example of civility and common decency among other racial and ethnic groups.
Damn, now things have just devolved into nothing more than whine fest in that community.

Guess he didnt learn to fight just shoot............

a reply to: Sremmos80 seriously ? Why would anyone of another race ask that question, I think you are grasping for some contrast but you haven't quite got it.

a reply to: chuck258

Reminds me of this,

And then there was this mass shooting after a parade in Mississippi that the media doesn't want to talk about because the word on the street is that a black guy tried to set a white guy's rebel flag on fire, then they started fighting and the black guy and his friend wound up shooting a bunch of innocent bystanders... killing 2 black guys.

Attack a marine vet......let me see....did he rip their eyes out or was he nice about the whole thing....marines are surrounded by a cloud of angels.....do not friggin mess with a semper fi...good gravy I hope he didn't just go ahead and choke hold em....a marine will cold cock ya....

originally posted by: NateTheAnimator
a reply to: chuck258

I don't say this because I'm happy that a Black man is distancing himself from his own race - I'm talking about the last part. And it falls in line with what I mentioned in the OP. Race relations have been devastated since President Obama took office. With the obvious and blatant support of movements like BLM by ironically powerful celebrities (ironic in the sense that it is claimed that Black people are oppressed, yet people like Will Smith, as good of an actor as he is, is claiming oppression while being worth approximately 8000 average evil white men) and politicians

The problem is simple, the black community now a days puts extreme merits on racial identification. Where you now have movements like BLM advocating for violence,social justice and other despicable things against people of other racial group all in the name of black oppression. Don't be fooled though, racism of all colors is still a legitimate issue and shouldn't be taken lightly due to these juveniles.
However my issue with them is that many of them think racism and institutionalized discrimination apply not just on a racial basis but specifically affects only the black community which is nonsense.

Many of them then use this as an excuse for why their still stuck in the ghettos and other equally impoverished areas of the U.S. The weird thing is their kind of right, however the oppression isn't coming from the big had privileged white man. They're oppressing themselves through cultural and lifestyle advocation that being poor in the ghettos, being a part of a black community that incites violence and advocates criminal activity is better than breaking free from the bondage of poverty and making something for yourself through furthering ones education and life skills. Don't get me wrong there are many of those even in this community whom do neither.

It seriously breaks my heart to hear/read incidents like this because I honestly wished that I could stand beside my fellow black people,feel proud that as a racial group we survived ACTUAL oppression and in turn should be providing a better example of civility and common decency among other racial and ethnic groups.
Damn, now things have just devolved into nothing more than whine fest in that community.

Very well said. It's a point I have also pointed out. Unfortunately it's racist if I say it (as a white man)

Liberal/Progressive/Safe-Space Types Disclaimer: Not everything I am about to say applies to every/all African Americans. I repeat, I am talking about a select group and am not painting all African Americans with the same brush


Now that that's out of the way: It's like I said. the 'thug' type culture that has infiltrated many parts of the African American community is what I believe is primarily holding them back. Some just sit in their neighborhoods not seeking work, or doing crimes to make money instead of working a legit job. Then after an extended period of time having not been steadily employed - they can't find a job. They then fall on the mentality that they couldn't find a job because they are Black. Which, for the most part is not true. My brother, another evil white man was in this same trap. Before he committed suicide, he had 6 years on me in age . . . . and I had had more jobs than he had. The longer you are without a job, the harder it is to find one because employers are going to want a practical reason as to why you haven't apparently done any work in the last say, 2 years.

I grew up in a heavily black neighborhood during my formative years (10-17) and saw it first hand. Without getting into my interactions with my neighbors surrounding our race: I saw this same mentality, and saw both sides of what I am talking about here. I had 2 black friends in particular that managed to not fall into this mindset. One joined the air force. Another went to college for artistic design. But so many more STILL LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD to this day, 6 years later. We were all on the same footing, the same grade, no criminal records (at the time). Except I found a job at 16, less than 10 miles away. They did not and their was no reason for it. I worked with several Black people and even had a black supervisor. Unfortunately, they sold their drugs and partied well into the mornings Friday, Saturday and Sunday night. It is this mentality that I speak of that adversely affects the African American community. As I said, there really was no reason for them to not work, they simply chose not to. They chose to live out the life they heard in rap music and that was glorified on television.

I could go on, but I think that is a half decent stopping point.

All this being said, I personally believe the African American community to be among the, if not THE strongest community as a whole in the United States. What they have accomplished despite their standing in American History is nothing short of astonishing. Their ancestors were shipped half way across the world after being sold by their fellow countrymen to work in harsh agriculture, and they still managed to retain an inkling of their ancestral identity. So many conquered peoples throughout recorded history have simply been absorbed by their conquerors, or were decimated, becoming passing mentions in history books. But not African Americans. Despite suffering a very unique form of slavery, (which is by no means common to Europeans, so don't go there) they have still maintained a unique identity, and are a very strong and independent community. I only hope what Obama has done to does not have long term repercussions. America has taken great steps to assist minority communities that have suffered particular hardships throughout history, but this infectious mentality he has instilled in them is only self destructive. I point out statistics on Black on White crime when I am accused of racism, or a claim is made against something I have said as racist to illustrate the hypocrisy of the person who is simply regurgitating what their Progressive overlords want them to - but African Americans suffer worse. No matter how much inter-racial crime there is, it will always been completely dwarfed by the intra-racial crime. As Obama tells African Americans they are discriminated against, it reinforces thoughts they might have had, and it ends up leading to a life of crime. "If I can't get a job, I'm not even gonna try. Besides, I can make enough money selling drugs and robbing houses" And then African Americans are victimized. Yet again.

This mentality I have spoken of needs to be addressed and it completely outshines any external struggles they face. This is proven every day. Every time an African American kills another African American. It's not because he had access to a gun. It's because of that thug and gangster mentality that tells them to kill or be killed - every man for himself - by any means necessary.

I feel like I have been on my soap box long enough. Glad to see someone else at least sees my point of view without discrediting it because I'm an evil white man. Thank You Nate.

originally posted by: Bone75
a reply to: chuck258

Reminds me of this,

And then there was this mass shooting after a parade in Mississippi that the media doesn't want to talk about because the word on the street is that a black guy tried to set a white guy's rebel flag on fire, then they started fighting and the black guy and his friend wound up shooting a bunch of innocent bystanders... killing 2 black guys.

I remember this story. I'm actually stunned that CNN even reported in on it.

But it only exemplifies my point further: I have a feeling if 3 White Men sat next to a Black man and asked him about the Bryce Williams Shooting (guy who murdered 2 reporters in middle of a recording) and he answered similarly to the victim in the story you linked, and they began beating him in the face, that it would be a hate crime. Even if he didn't call them the N-Word or any other epithet.

And to be honest, I would likely consider that a hate crime as well. The Bryce Williams shooting was racially charged. And picking a black man to ask an antagonistic question of such an issue then proceeding to beat him can easily be racist. The hypothetical black man is completely innocent and I would be the first to say "throw the book at him".

Unfortunately for Progressives, they seem to have an issue coming up with stories like my hypothetical - because they are so rare. You'd think with how racist they claim the United States is that they'd have no issue coming up with stories of "White man attacks Black man"

a reply to: chuck258

That was a crime motivated by racism. Glad the Marine vet is ok. BTW, you are right Black Lives Matter is very racist, and a very extremist socialist, and/or communist organization. They have made threats to people, insulting students because they kept studying but Black Live Matter protesters wanted to force everyone to back them...

They use coercion, manipulation and playing victims when they are the aggressors.

a reply to: Sublimecraft

I have to disagree. Obviously every black person has been victimized by every white person. White people have absolutely no reason whatsoever to think negatively of any other group of people, because white people are the worst thing ever.

a reply to: chuck258

I found this story yesterday referenced on Drudge and read it in disbelief. Its really despicable behavior and to think that a "white" war hero returns to the US after serving his country and finds himself the subject of racist attacks because of his skin color is absolutely disgusting. And this type incident should really cause young white men & women to re-think serving their country in the military or other form because its pretty obvious that the Government of the US despises whites as much as its favored black constituents do. And honestly, as long as the Federal Government sanctions black on white crime in the name of Social or Racial Justice, I don't see anything the white population can do to stop this type thing. And of course, the problem is aggravated by the fact that the Government Media outlets censor these stories so that the majority of the "sheeple" who are just trying to make their lives and livings have no idea this is going on.

At this point, the only advice I could give white Americans is that their only hope for a solution to this is to repeatedly and loudly send the message to the Black community that unless and until this stops, whites will have nothing to do with the Black community and exercise that boycott by refusing to shop or seek services at establishments that don't demonstrate that their business is dedicated to providing an environment that is safe for whites to patronize. This is going to have to come down to an economic boycott because the government won't respond appropriately unless business owners complain they're losing business and money in a big way.

Sad, sad situation and unfortunately, its probably going to get a lot worse this Spring and Summer. The only bright light on the horizon I've seen is that I've heard from co-workers that more and more parents are refusing to allow their minor children take the school bus tour to Washington DC; they know its not safe and they've finally caught on to the fact that they and their kids are targets.

originally posted by: Shamrock6

originally posted by: Sublimecraft
a reply to: Shamrock6

So I guess black lives don't matter if they're suspected of criminal activity?

Hardly. I just always find it shocking when somebody so casually says another human's life doesn't matter, based off the narrative provided by one person.

No interpretation needed. Read ya 5 by 5

"Hardly. I just always find it shocking when somebody so casually says another human's life doesn't matter, based off the narrative provided by one person."

did you even watch the video?

edit on 19-2-2016 by torok67 because: (no reason given)

'Scuse me, foreigner here gonna dive in...

Please, correct me if am I not correct, but it seems like there is lots of black people in America who have a lot of anger at white people. Why is this?

I know there was segregation, but surely they know that it is not the fault of you alive today?

I hear the word "racism" all the time. I have seen the blood of children spilt in the name of race... but over there, people think it is racist if there is not enough black people working in a particular office or something... I don't mean to be rude, sorry I am trying to say this as respectfully as I can and please do fix me if I am wrong... but I have the idea that when you use a word too much, its meaning becomes lost and polluted. So, when so many innocuous actions become labelled racist, it creates a me vs. them mind, and they begin to see everything in such terms.

I think the media, maybe without intending, is making worse the racist attacks, by making people aware of racism, which is according to them present in almost everything. And once someone points something out to you, you will always notice it then, and when this thing is racism, and you begin to notice it where people have said to you it is, it builds anger, here we are again with me vs. them...

So is it maybe the media, on accident, striking up racial tension?

Oh and that soldier... must be difficult, to be treated in such a way by the country you fought to protect...

I think the community reinforces itself.

Anyone remember when Rob Parker on ESPN called RG3 a cornball brother who gasp, has a white finance and votes republican. He was questioning if he was a real brother and down with the cause.
This was an espn analyst on sportscenter.
It was hillarious but also opened my eyes to the fact that there is this weird group mentality that exist.

Far from a surprise really, ignorance is paying off..

originally posted by: DBCowboy
I guess those 3 didn't think "all lives mattered".

You're right...no they don't. BLM doesn't believe that any life matters except their own. They also don't believe anyone else should get hand-outs, welfare, free housing, special rights, etc. The American black community has a very high percentage of selfishness. I would go as far as calling many of them leeches, blood sucking ticks and idiots for trading freedom and independence for the new black label...victim. No self-respect, no self-responsibility, no nothing. And on top of that...by choice.

originally posted by: Sremmos80
a reply to: chuck258

Are all black people part of it? Or are these just 3 ignorant teens that decided to ask the question to justify their stupid actions. www.snopes.com...

So while it's true Marquez was involved in an altercation and subsequently robbed, the identities of the suspects remained unknown. Police in Washington, D.C. told us that there was no evidence of a link between the dispute and Black Lives Matter activism, nor did any police reports suggest the teens were already wanted for a "previous incident."

You are making a lot of connections based on three teens that ID's are not known.

I think a lot of what matters is they invoked the movement as their reasoning, and this is not anywhere close the first incident akin to this. BLM is not an organization to stand up for rights and freedom, but rather a racially motivated group think mob. I recognize there are problems with policing and racism, not only in this country, but across the world. Unfortunately BLM is adding to the racial divide in America and has been inspiring violent assaults as well.

Do black lives matter? Eh, the proper question is do human lives matter (answer: most do, yes) As far as these slimy gutter rat teens are concerned, no theirs do not.

they say black people can't get out of the ghetto cause of the long period of slavery... but it seems to be that it' cause they're just not that smart. how many times have you hear athletes who makes millions go bankrupt a few years after retirement. time to put down the excuses i think.

Every time there is a video online dealing with a white cop and a black "kid". They say #blacklivesmatter. Sure, so why don't they stop killing themselves?

You know people wouldn't use the N word if they themselves didn't use it on each other. Asian people don't go around greeting each other like that.