Cliven Bundy, called 'lawless and violent,' to stay in jail

Cliven Bundy, called 'lawless and violent,' to stay in jail

Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy, who came to Oregon to support the armed occupation of a national wildlife preserve led by his sons, will remain in jail pending trial after prosecutors called him "lawless and violent." U.S. Magistrate Judge Janice Stewart said Tuesday that Bundy should not be released ahead of trial because there is a risk he won't show up for future court dates. "If he is released and he goes back to his ranch, that is likely the last the government will see of him," Stewart said. Bundy, 69, was arrested in Portland last week on charges stemming from a 2014 armed standoff with federal officials who were rounding up his cattle over unpaid grazing fees.

Well it looks like this old buckaroos days of roaming the range are finally over. You should have just paid your grazing fees like all the other ranchers and you wouldn't be in this position.

a reply to: buster2010

Those ranchers... Always wanting $ million freebies from the government...

On a serious note, it's probably good that he's not being released. He's been violent before.

a reply to: buster2010

No bail. Flight risk. Cool. Serves him right.

a reply to: buster2010

I could maybe understand the lawless accusation, but violent ? Who exactly did he threaten or actually be violent to apart from a non physical entity called government ?

"Lawless" is what the BLM is doing to ranchers and land owners. They want to drive people out so they can exploit their property to frack and mine and deforest… at will.

People should remember, with dwindling resources available abroad and increasing resistance to "US Humanitarian aid" over seas, the vultures are coming home to roost more, and they're some greedy somabitches.

a reply to: Discotech

Well he threatened to "deal with" government agents if they came to arrest him. You can pretend he meant he'd offer them a cup of coffee and scones, but I think that's a bit silly.

@ OP - not at all surprising. I think it's reasonable to suspect he'd hightail it back to his ranch and force another stand off. Or worse.

a reply to: buster2010

Wow.

So a government minion called HIM lawless and violent. How ironic.

Judge slams the BLM: “fraud, extortion, racketeering, criminal conspiracy”.

From our foreign empire right down to the Blue Mafia (aka the police), we have in place, one of the most violent governments in modern history.

originally posted by: gladtobehere
a reply to: buster2010

Wow.

So a government minion called HIM lawless and violent.

How ironic.

Judge slams the BLM: “fraud, extortion, racketeering, criminal conspiracy”.

Reversed by the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals, with an appropriate note of censure to this "activist judge."

Ninth Circuit Decision

I'm confused as to how it's fair and legal to charge someone millions for animals eating grass.

a reply to: Gryphon66

The Ninth Circus, thats rich.

When the New York Times calls you Liberal, thats saying something.

‘Liberal’ Reputation Precedes Ninth Circuit Court.

At-least the SCOTUS had some sense, well they did with Scalia.

U.S. Supreme Court again rejects most decisions by the U.S. 9th Circuit Court of Appeals.

The Ninth Circus' hate for everything not Liberal aside, Judge Jones should know better than to side with the people.

Now do a LexisNexis search on "Montgomery vs. Daly".

At-least Judge Jones is still alive, but then again, there was much less at stake.

a reply to: gladtobehere

So, to summarize:

Court Decision you agree with: Brilliant.

Court Decision you don't agree with: Trash.

originally posted by: WP4YT
I'm confused as to how it's fair and legal to charge someone millions for animals eating grass.

When ranchers want to allow their cattle to feed on government land they have to pay grazing fees. He owes so much because he stopped paying well over a decade ago.

free bundee

Oh ... and ...

According to the most current count, the Ninth Circuit has the highest percentage (68%) of sitting judges appointed by Democratic presidents. Republicans argue the court is biased because of its relatively high proportion of Democratic appointees.

Others argue the court's high percentage of reversals is illusory, resulting from the circuit hearing more cases than the other circuits. This results in the Supreme Court reviewing a smaller proportion of its cases, letting stand the vast majority of its cases.

Wiki

Not to mention ...

The Supreme Court's conservative majority has been changing the law in habeas corpus and other constitutional protections, but the circuits have to follow existing law until those changes are explicit, Reinhardt said.

"It would be easy not to get reversed if you just tried to guess what five of nine justices were going to say about the case," he said. "If you follow the law the way it is, before they change it, you're going to get reversed."

The high volume of 9th Circuit cases taken up for review is partly explained by the circuit's sheer size, legal experts say. The circuit, one of 13, covers 20% of the nation's population and handles the same proportion of the federal caseload.

But the justices do tend to watch the 9th Circuit more closely, McDonald said.

"It's no secret that the 9th is heavily Democratic," he said of the bench where 27 judges were named by Democratic presidents and 18 by Republicans. "The Supreme Court has five justices with a conservative bent, so it's not surprising that value-laden rulings from the 9th Circuit often clash with the conservative majority of the Supreme Court."

LA Times

and speaking of Lexus Nexus ...

Judges on Judging: The Ninth Circuit-Most Maligned Circuit in the Country-Fact or Fiction?

The Honorable Jerome Farris argues that the reason the Supreme Court overturns such a high percentage of Ninth Circuit cases accepted for review is not because the Circuit is "too liberal." Rather, Judge Farris emphasizes the high volume of cases heard by the Ninth Circuit and its willingness to take on controversial issues. He suggests that any objective observer would conclude that the Ninth Circuit is functioning well and that the system is working precisely as the Framers of the United States Constitution intended.

Judges on Judging: The Ninth Circuit-Most Maligned Circuit in the Country-Fact or Fiction?

originally posted by: buster2010

originally posted by: WP4YT
I'm confused as to how it's fair and legal to charge someone millions for animals eating grass.

When ranchers want to allow their cattle to feed on government land they have to pay grazing fees. He owes so much because he stopped paying well over a decade ago.

True, and it's very cheap, like 4 bucks per head, or per Heffer and calf, or per 5 sheep, PER MONTH! And they get help from the government for cattle guards, watering trophs, government trappers, and predator control! Those poor ranchers! Reminds me of the poor farmer who drives a new Truck every year and who lives in a brick home. Rambling sorry...

a reply to: buster2010

Maybe he should have just paid the fine so he could have continued to be lawless and violent. Although, when it comes to lawless and violent, I think the government is calling the kettle black here.

U.S. Magistrate Judge Janice Stewart said Tuesday that Bundy should not be released ahead of trial because there is a risk he won't show up for future court dates.

Then install a ankle bracelet on him so you can keep a track of his whereabouts. Maybe having him locked up will eliminate him from spreading his anti-government rhetoric and contaminating the minds of the weak and uninformed.

... or maybe it will prevent another high publicity scenario in which Mr. Bundy gets to return to his ranch, to be surrounded by ardent zealots and gun club members (who should know better) most of whom he will gladly "sacrifice" for his cause, just as his son Ammon sacrificed Lavoy Finicum?

Alternate scenario: a repeat offender who has confessed his crimes openly and has been on video committing the crimes he is accused of, is being held in custody to prevent more stupidity and bloodshed.

originally posted by: Sublimecraft
Then install a ankle bracelet on him so you can keep a track of his whereabouts. Maybe having him locked up will eliminate him from spreading his anti-government rhetoric and contaminating the minds of the weak and uninformed.

An ankle bracelet might work, but if he decides to stage another "protest" complete with immigrant ranchers, interested "patriots" and all their guns, then we start this whole fiasco over again. I have no doubt that THAT is one of the main reasons they're holding Bundy. If he is free, his minions will start circling again. And it may not end with just one rancher pushin' up daisies.

The people in this movement have threatened violence, not to mention breaking several laws.

Crap, I see Gryphon already brought it up... Great minds...

As opposed to being surrounded by zealous pro-government law enforcement club members whom will gladly sacrifice citizens liberties and circumvent the legal process they are meant to uphold (irrespective of whether a citizen obeys the law) on behalf of big government non-accountability, just like when they murdered LaVoy Finicum?

Federal law enforcement agencies are the repeat offenders when it comes to killing civilians when those civilians disobey federal law - the stupidity and bloodshed is on the hands of the government - they kill in each instance, the civilian does not.

He got over once. He's an idiot for pushing his luck. Doubtful anyone's coming to his rescue either. He has essentially erased a victory of the people over government. Eff him. I hope he rots.