blood in McCanns hire car did come from madeline

a reply to: Shminkee Pinkee

I'm along the same lines but i don't think they drugged her, i think they left her unattended and something happened. when they returned they found her and hid the evidence thus making the story.

originally posted by: Agit8dChop
a reply to: Shminkee Pinkee

I'm along the same lines but i don't think they drugged her, i think they left her unattended and something happened. when they returned they found her and hid the evidence thus making the story.

She could have been drugged AND had an accident. If she was groggy and sleepy but decided to climb up on the couch to look out of the window to see where her parents were...then she fell...they would be entirely responsible. The blood traces where found behind the couch on the wall.

a reply to: DrHammondStoat

When I was three years old, I slept through a storm which tore tiles off our roof, threw our neighbours chimney pots across the street into the living room of a property opposite, threw garbage cans and fence panels three gardens down the road, and a lightning strike so close that it set the house at the end of our street ablaze. The winds, I am told, were so loud that even indoors, one had to shout to be heard.

I slept through it all, and I can tell you this much. Mother Nature has a louder voice than any group of mortals, no matter how upset they might be. If I can sleep through a hundred year storm, then a bunch of kids can sleep through a search party.

originally posted by: bellagirl
I am from Australia, and old enough to remember the Azaria Chamberlain disappearance.

Reading this thread is like reading the paper back then.

"the mother did it" ...... "she doesn't look like she is grieving enough" .... "she is a cold bitch" .... "the parents slit her throat in the car" ....blah blah blah.

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The point of my story..... dont condemn someone without concrete, proven evidence. I think the authorities have screwed this up from the beginning, and cover their asses by slinging mud at the parents.

Just my two cents worth.

I don't see how the police screwed up, right from the start they turned up to the apartment and saw no evidence of a break in as the parents claimed. in their statements the parents said how they left the doors of the apartment unlocked in case their 3 year old wanted to come out of the apartment where she had been left alone at night. But they also insisted someone climbed through a window?

Their story does not make sense and that's why police took the view they did, together with indications of death and blood in the apartment. It is nothing to do with the mother 'looking cold'.

a reply to: TrueBrit

Maybe so but the most important point about the twins staying asleep in all the commotion is that Kate McCann repeatedly checked their breathing. This was confirmed by a witness who gave a police statement and later by KM herself.

Asked if the twins had been drugged, she said on BBC Radio 4's Woman's Hour today: 'On the night I just remember the twins lying in the cot and not moving - with lights going on and people moving around. 'There was a lot of noise and they just didn't move and I remember several times checking for chest movements. I did feel it was a bit strange that they were not moving let alone waking up. Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk...

So a doctor thinks her children have been drugged, not moving and not waking up but does not take them to hospital, she justs decides to chance them losing consciousness or being poisoned? Very odd for a doctor.

If they had been drugged it had to have been administered and working in the 10/15 minutes between the McCanns checking on their children. How did the abductor do it and why would he bother if he was in and out within 10 minutes?

a reply to: DrHammondStoat

You are talking about a woman, who had recently discovered one of her children to be missing. No matter how trained, rational minded, or stoic a person might be under normal operating conditions, no parent is immune from a certain amount of psychological disturbance at a time like that. It is perfectly probable that her concerns were amplified by the fact that unlike the absent Maddy, she could protect these two at least, from a potential source of harm. It gave her something to be concerned about, other than the thing that she could do nothing to change, that being that one of her little ones had gone, and no one knew where.

The mind is a strange thing, DrHammondStoat, and never stranger than when a parent is disturbed by the absence of a child.

Also a possibility, I've always had this hunch that parents are hiding something from everyone

a reply to: TaleDawn

a reply to: TrueBrit

So this would depend on normal circumstance i.e. temperature ....do you remember they got rid of the fridge in the apartment and bought another? They said it wasn't working...so why not ask the hotel to provide another?...who buys a new hotel fridge when on holiday?

a reply to: TrueBrit

Yes I realise that she could be affected by what happened but why would checking their breathing make her feel in control? She is still a trained doctor and has a suspicion her two babies may have been drugged with an unknown substance, they could have been given anything and one child is already gone and possibly in danger, I don't see why any parent wouldn't get help, even in those circumstances.

She presumably could have said something to her husband about it who was also a doctor, or one of their 7 friends who were also doctors..if she did, not a single one of them thought the drugging of small children by a stranger was a concern? The McCanns were convinced a stranger had accessed their children, convinced and sure someone had been in there, yet the remaining 2 children not moving was not a serious concern?

The more logical explanation for me, is that she was aware of what they had been given and was aware of how long the effects would last. Telling the police they suspected drugging or calling an ambulance would lead to blood tests and maybe reveal a substance that would provide evidence.

This source is from 2008 . This was discredited at the time. I thought it was some new evidence!a reply to: Megatronus

a reply to: sueloujo

A new fridge.

And when the police examined the new refrigerator, did they find anything there? And more to the point, if the McCanns had bought a second fridge, so that they could store the body of their daughter within, one must assume, the old one, then where would they have put the old fridge?

Bear in mind, that a fridge will warm to ambient within a few hours of being disconnected from the mains. That still leaves nineteen days, and some hours, where the body would still have been breaking down, have been draining of any fluids, drying out, decomposing, as I mentioned before, unless the McCanns somehow located a place they could hook the thing up to the mains, and keep the body cool enough to remain in some approximation of stasis, until they could rent a car twenty days later, and transport a body while it leaked all over the car.

It is much easier to transport a partially mummified, dessicated body, than it is to transport a bloody, leaking, damp body, without leaving a trace, which a doctor would be all too aware of, since all doctors have to experience a certain amount of cadaver related experience as part of their training. The refrigerator is an anomaly, but would have been little use in this case, to those who are being suspected at the moment.

a reply to: TrueBrit

Why would the police find anything in the NEW fridge?? It's the old fridge that would be the one to find. Perhaps they could have dumped it anywhere...or hidden it anywhere. In the hidden location it could have been plugged in and the remains could stay in place until the time was right to dispose of it.

The buying of the fridge in the first place is unusual. If a fridge in my room didn't work..I would call the hotel and ask them to change it.

a reply to: sueloujo

And where would they have been able to put a fridge, where there was a mains outlet, and that the fridge would not have been discovered?

a reply to: TrueBrit

They could have dumped the old fridge after use, a fridge on a mountain of other fridges would be hard to find. They had friends that had other apartments, Robert murat ( a suspect at one point) managed apartments. They had access to a church and the priest there said he had 'been betrayed'....so many possibilities.

Your mumified body theory makes less sense to me as the body would smell and decompose for some time before drying out and defeats the purpose of not trying to leave evidence. A chilled or frozen body would only cause problems once it started to thaw. If things were planned carefully, the time in which it could thaw would be kept to a minimum, leaving very little evidence.

a reply to: DrHammondStoat

Well, I fail to see where they could have hidden the appliance with the body inside of it, under ANY circumstance, where it would not have been found, within the twenty day period between the disappearance and the acquisition of the car. Bear in mind, if we are talking about a FREEZER, which is an entirely different appliance, then I could under stand your thawing out idea, but when you place things in a FRIDGE, they do not freeze, and therefore do not require to thaw.

A chest freezer though, is a different proposition. If you froze the body down, and then transported it, that would be much easier. But you would still have to have a place that you KNOW is not going to be examined between the time you report the missing child, and the time that you move the body, and I would imagine that the difficulty with that, is knowing with any certainty, how much time the freezer would have to remain powered, and undiscovered by investigators.

Also, when was this fridge supposed to have been purchased? If it was before the disappearance, then I fail to see its relevance, and if it was after then what the hell did they do with the body mean time? The theory of the crime as it is being discussed here, makes no sense to me what so ever.

a reply to: TrueBrit

Your desperation to not allow yourself to think how this could happen is surprising. Anybody within their circle or indeed they themselves, could have rented another room anywhere in the area for this to be possible. Nobody was looking for a little girls body so no suspicion would be given to it.

a reply to: Megatronus

This is a story from 2008, with repeated use of the words "believed" and "claimed".

The Correio da Manha paper is a tabloid that was on a witch-hunt to blame them for this, that is well known and pretty much all their claims and suggestions have been repeatedly proven to be false.

Detectives in Portugal asked British scientists to carry out new tests after initial ones by the Forensic Science Service laboratory in Birmingham proved inconclusive.

The samples from the flat and the hire car were said to be damaged and of low quality, but police sources now claim the latest results are definitive.

As for the supposed DNA testing, we cannot comment on yet more unsubstantiated rampant speculation in the Portuguese press. It is ridiculous to suggest that Madeleine's blood was in the their car because she was never in it. It was hired more than 20 days after she went missing, which means it was impossible for her to have ever been in it.

Is the suggestion that they somehow "hid" their daughters body for 20 days, at the crime scene, somewhere searched repeatedly and scoured for evidence that wasn't found, and then they used that hire car 20 DAYS LATER, to move her body?

This is ridiculous, and it kind of shows how the rabid gang of ignorant fools constantly attacking these two are repeatedly looking for any excuse they can to blame them for her disappearance.

It's become such a ridiculous situation that this baying mob of crazies are making insane claims almost ten years later...

Leave the poor people alone, stop accusing them of things you have no evidence for.

a reply to: sueloujo

When a child is missing, one does not limit ones search to obvious places. One searches every room, every block, every storm drain, every place one could hide a body, or a place a little one could be stashed, or have hidden themselves.

In short, one actually searches for the child, in every place where the volume that comprises their body, could be contained. One brings in manpower and whacks every weed, has every door opened up, searches every place that could even improbably contain the shape and size of the child. One does not half arse a search for a child, under any circumstance.

If you really want to get a handle on the facts and fiction of this story Google "buried by mainstream media" Richard D Hall has produced 2 four hour documentaries on this subject.