Scalia Death Suspicious "We discovered the judge in bed, a pillow over his head."

nvm...I see there were other serious ailments...

a reply to: dianajune

I read that Ponton said an open records request could be written to get a copy of the letter. I've written hundreds of those.

originally posted by: MotherMayEye
a reply to: dianajune

I read that Ponton said an open records request could be written to get a copy of the letter. I've written hundreds of those.

Guevara won't return requests for open record and won't even return phone calls.

Tsk, tsk...

a reply to: texasgirl

And I have had my requests dodged in the past, too.

It's disturbing how officials thumb the most important tool the people have to oversee government.

originally posted by: dianajune
a reply to: texasgirl

I'll check out those links. I heard about Ponton. He (along with a bunch of others) are very shady.

It would be nice if someone had the guts to order the release of his death certificate, along with conducting a criminal investigation into Scalia's death and the officials who deliberately bungled it.

Re. the Daily Mail, I think what they had came from the AP. I saw another link on Drudge that basically said the same thing.

AP story about Scalia

from that story.....

Presidio County District Attorney Rod Ponton cited the letter Tuesday when he told The Associated Press there was nothing suspicious about the Feb. 13 death of the 79-year-old jurist. He said the long list of health problems made an autopsy unnecessary.

Ponton had a copy of the letter from Rear Adm. Brian P. Monahan, the attending physician for members of Congress and the Supreme Court. The letter was to Presidio County Judge Cinderela Guevara, who conducted a death inquiry by phone and certified Scalia's death.

The letter dated Feb. 16 said Scalia's many "significant medical conditions led to his death," Ponton said.

Very thin and highly suspicious !!!!!

The whole thing is part of a psy-ops IMO.

a reply to: texasgirl

And, let me follow my last comment with this...Guevara probably has 2 weeks to 30 days to respond to requests. She may actually respond, just not immediately.

I'll look at the Texas FOIA laws when I have a few minutes.

originally posted by: MotherMayEye
a reply to: texasgirl

And, let me follow my last comment with this...Guevara probably has 2 weeks to 30 days to respond to requests. She may actually respond, just not immediately.

I'll look at the Texas FOIA laws when I have a few minutes.

Possibly, but I highly doubt it. Given her past history She's not exactly competent.

She'll probably do something stupid like lose the letter (intentionally)

originally posted by: texasgirl

She'll probably do something stupid like lose the letter (intentionally)

Or they will create a "break in" or "water damage from a pipe leak" or something to establish it was stolen or destroyed.

originally posted by: texasgirl

originally posted by: MotherMayEye
a reply to: texasgirl

And, let me follow my last comment with this...Guevara probably has 2 weeks to 30 days to respond to requests. She may actually respond, just not immediately.

I'll look at the Texas FOIA laws when I have a few minutes.

Possibly, but I highly doubt it. Given her past history She's not exactly competent.

She'll probably do something stupid like lose the letter (intentionally)

I would have to go back to read the DA's exact statement, but if he says it can be released through the Texas Public Information Act, he would have the last word on that.

All of that said, I can also see them hiding behind privacy laws given the letter contains medical/health information. BUT, since that info has already been made public, then there is no privacy to protect.

I wouldn't be surprised if they release some kind of redacted form of the letter at some point.

a reply to: MotherMayEye

He said an open records request must be made to Guevara. But she's not returning phone calls.

originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: texasgirl

She'll probably do something stupid like lose the letter (intentionally)

Or they will create a "break in" or "water damage from a pipe leak" or something to establish it was stolen or destroyed.

Exactly. And let's hope nothing happens to Scalia's doctor.

a reply to: texasgirl

Well, that's sufficiently vague.

I bet they hide behind privacy laws.

ETA: Much like the HDOH did with Obama's birth certificate. If it's already been made public, then there is no privacy to protect by not releasing it or verifying it for a requesting member of the public. It's actually contrary to Hawaii's open records law -- if a record has already been made public, then you cannot 'unring a bell' by withholding it from the public.

I know government violates open records law all the time. And unless you can afford to litigate the request in court, the public is helpless to it.

originally posted by: texasgirl
a reply to: MotherMayEye

He said an open records request must be made to Guevara. But she's not returning phone calls.

Ah! I can see how some games are being played thanks to the AP:

"The AP filed a records request with the judge last week, but she did not provide the letter or respond to a reporter's phone message Tuesday. The Texas Department of State Health Services has declined to release a copy of the death certificate."

The AP made their request BEFORE the letter was made public. Someone definitely needs to re-request the letter now that the medical information in it has been made public.

The AP could be helping dissuade people from even bothering...and I do not put it past them.

originally posted by: texasgirl
a reply to: dianajune

I noticed in some recent articles they left out the claim his hands were by his side and the sheet pulled up to his chin. If your hands were by your side outside of the sheets then how is it possible to have the sheets pulled up to your chin?

Shoddy reporting!

I wouldn't call it shoddy reporting. I would blame this on their ever-changing stories. They can't tell the same lie twice, it would seem (meaning the local authorities in TX, not the DM).

It's not possible for someone to have their hands folded neatly on one's stomach/chest/whatever AND have the sheets pulled up to the chin.

Again, it's just their stories keep changing.

originally posted by: texasgirl
a reply to: dianajune

I noticed the officials in Marfa/Presidio County coerce people to write apology letters to the court. I wouldn't be surprised if they did this to Scalia's doctor, too.

It wouldn't surprise me if they coerced his doctor into saying something favorable about their side of this story. They are very crooked.

originally posted by: MotherMayEye
a reply to: dianajune

I read that Ponton said an open records request could be written to get a copy of the letter. I've written hundreds of those.

I'd like to see a copy of his death certificate, but wouldn't either the family release it or the Texas governor?

originally posted by: texasgirl

originally posted by: MotherMayEye
a reply to: dianajune

I read that Ponton said an open records request could be written to get a copy of the letter. I've written hundreds of those.

Guevara won't return requests for open record and won't even return phone calls.

Tsk, tsk...

She knows that she's in deep doo-doo. Get out yer waders deep!

FYI - Alex Jones just had Larry Nichols on his program and he said there will be two investigations into Scalia's death at the same time - one will be Federal with a special prosecutor and the other will be with a private investigator. Just to make sure this will be honest.

This information was given to Larry by an unidentified Supreme Court Justice.

No timeframe was given. I hope it will be soon.

Once they post the program to YouTube I will post it here. Probably this afternoon/early evening.

originally posted by: dianajune
FYI - Alex Jones just had Larry Nichols on his program and he said there will be two investigations into Scalia's death at the same time - one will be Federal with a special prosecutor and the other will be with a private investigator. Just to make sure this will be honest.

This information was given to Larry by an unidentified Supreme Court Justice.

No timeframe was given. I hope it will be soon.

Once they post the program to YouTube I will post it here. Probably this afternoon/early evening.

It would be nice if there was an autopsy with the investigations, otherwise, investigators will still not be able to conclusively determine what killed him and cause of death will still just be speculative.

originally posted by: MotherMayEye

originally posted by: dianajune
FYI - Alex Jones just had Larry Nichols on his program and he said there will be two investigations into Scalia's death at the same time - one will be Federal with a special prosecutor and the other will be with a private investigator. Just to make sure this will be honest.

This information was given to Larry by an unidentified Supreme Court Justice.

No timeframe was given. I hope it will be soon.

Once they post the program to YouTube I will post it here. Probably this afternoon/early evening.

It would be nice if there was an autopsy with the investigations, otherwise, investigators will still not be able to conclusively determine what killed him and cause of death will still just be speculative.

Agreed. I'd like to know what happened to Scalia's body. If it's been cremated, there will be no autopsy. I read in one of the reports about his funeral that no burial plans were announced.

That could mean he was cremated or buried somewhere they want to be private. But in the public's best interest, if he was not cremated, they will have to let us have that info.

I think some states have info re the disposition of a decedent's body on the death certificate. That's one reason we must be able to see it.