Hey Europe, quit crying about refugees. Sincerely America!

I just think it's hilarious how Europeans are reacting to the refugees, a few hundred thousand and everybody have a spaz attack. In America we've had a flood of 20-30million + immigrants fly here from Asia, Iran, Mexico, and South America. We didn't even really make a peep until the last few years when the economy crashed and we realized there weren't enough resources to go around anymore.

So I'm just curious to those of you over the pond, what's your view on this kind of immigration now? Does this change your perspective on American politics?

I ask Americans a similar set of questions. Did your perspective on the immigration issue change upon viewing the refugee "crisis" in Europe?

How similar are these issues?

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They mad because they hands are tied and they have to apologize for the crimes of the refugees and pretend nothing happens. Whereas in America, we can slay our violent criminals as private citizens in self defense and be cleared by law. this may be where they are upset. Demand the right to lethal force in self defense Europe, or you will all be assimilated by the borg.

originally posted by: AmericanRealist
a reply to: onequestion


They mad because they hands are tied and they have to apologize for the crimes of the refugees and pretend nothing happens. Whereas in America, we can slay our violent criminals as private citizens in self defense and be cleared by law. this may be where they are upset. Demand the right to lethal force in self defense Europe, or you will all be assimilated by the borg.

No, I doubt it. There are few outside the US that think walking around with a gun at your waist represents safety or freedom.

a reply to: MALBOSIA

Tell that to the victims of brutality.

My only question is when the schegen gets suspended which is soon and when the border fences are built will proggies still gush over european policies?
I wonder when they start the deportations will they go door to door. As sweden has started it but the refugees simply vanish once their name comes up. essentialy creating their own version of illegal aliens.

unlike americans I do not think europeans are dumb enough to commit cultural suicide. Americans could have had a society more resembling the europeans if they would have kept immigration at 250k a year of mainly europeans. with a current pop or 260 million instead of 320 million.

tl:dr culture matters, it's a fact I can direct you to some books by thomas sowell regarding the matter.

a reply to: MALBOSIA


Ahh well in any case I said "lethal force" and made no mention of the three letter word Monarchies and Dictators the world over absolutely wish to deprive their citizens of. Of course that piece of equipment is always helpful in self defense situations.


In any case, many places in Europe require you to flee like a coward rather than use violent force in self defense, lest one also be arrested along with the perp. Reading through some of the very complicated self defense laws in places like Sweden and England, it requires an individual to make quite a hefty amount of considerations in the split seconds whereupon they are being attacked by a criminal with regards to how to handle that criminal.


In most American states, once a criminal uses violence to attack you, considerations for his rights are mostly waived and the citizen may do whatever it takes to defend his life, dignity, and well being, without the requirement to flee like a coward.

a reply to: onequestion

There is nowhere to put them, and the numbers are growing.

There is violence, rape and theft amongst other things.

Hygiene is another issue, it's a health and safety nightmare.

I can appreciate how the native Americans must have felt, and some still probably feel...they had to to endure pretty much the same thing.

a reply to: woogleuk

Did you notice how they are all in new shoes and fresh clothing?

I don't get that what am I not understanding about that?

I guess Syria was in way better shape before we got involved.

a reply to: onequestion

Although I'm not certain, I think it was in good shape. Wasn't it one of the biggest science and cultural areas in the region for centuries?

So was Libya I think......and then the west intervened.

When most westerners think of any middle eastern country, they think sand, sandles and camels, you just have to look at Iran to know that isn't the case.

a reply to: onequestion

Funny only because there is far more victims of brutality in the U.S.than pretty much any place other than 3rd world

a reply to: onequestion

I just think it's hilarious how Europeans are reacting to the refugees, a few hundred thousand and everybody have a spaz attack.

It's way more than a few hundred thousand, there's roughly over 40 million all across the European continent. They maybe the minority but it's quite a significant minority.

a reply to: onequestion

Until lately most of the USA's immigrants were all based on some form of Christianity. They actually wanted to work and better their lives plus stay out of trouble so their relatives could also come .. This has recently changed with the outlandish numbers that are floated around on the internet about new mid-east refugee numbers being allowed in the states..

With Europe's invasion by the Muslim brotherhood and the usual insistence of everyone conform to their ideas of a proper society based upon the mutterings of Allah and some Mullah... It is a little late to suck it up... It will play out when European natives have had enough of their guest. I don't think (hope) the New Ottoman Empire will work in Europe these days... Bad stupid situation all the way around..

I have really had fun in various parts of Germany, England, Switzerland, Sweden, and a few other places... I am not motivated in the slightest to go see what is happening now.. I have numerous X-pat friends who have moved to Asia to get away from the insanity.. And much of Asia is pretty third world... go figure..

originally posted by: onequestion
a reply to: woogleuk

Did you notice how they are all in new shoes and fresh clothing?

I don't get that what am I not understanding about that?

I guess Syria was in way better shape before we got involved.

I thought the thread was about Europe? Syria is not Europe unless they were voted in, in secret like Israel for the Eurovision Song Contest! . OK, lets see, you mention you have/had millions coming through your borders from here there and elsewhere, great. I guess the mass influx into your nation were not families either, but all were young Muslim men, of fighting age, who have a pissy on about Christianity and want to invoke Islamic State and Sharia Law wherever they go?

How long has America as we know it now been around? lets say the 16th century when you lot were formed by British colonists, yeah immigrants into the Red Indian world, i guess they were happy to see you too, but hey only the winners write history right? and you are too young to remember / care how your nation came to be. Did you lot want to mix with the Red Indian natives? no, you waved your flag and fought until you had complete control, compounded said natives and carried on pretty much the same way you do now ( i do take it you are talking on behalf of ALL Americans btw )

Operation Z on the 7th December 1941 changed your foreign policy forever, you got a boner on then and it has not reduced in size after all these years because you keep on taking the Viagra, pushing your nose in where it is not expected or wanted, sure, the people of America do not flood to the places you destroy, why would they? No, the people of the places you destroy flee, who can blame them, Like them icckle Red Indians of yesteryear they get pissy but could do little about it because the cancer is spreading.

When the black flag of Islam is flying over Europe who is next in line? yeah, Americas (both South and North)

Immigration, refugees fleeing ( i sympathize with some ) ? nah, its an invasion with one intention, similar to the 16th Century intention of the colonists and founding fathers, divide and conquer, wash rinse repeat.

Pretty soon, i, as a patriotic nationalist, will be labelled the terrorist (freedom fighter) when the shift from Christianity to Islam happens, pretty much like the French resistance during 1939/1945 in Nazi Germany.

Hey America, quit crying about refugees. Sincerely Britain!

Ideally the situation should have been contained in the Middle East, it's still the only solution, Europe can't cope with the problem, but when our middle eastern allies refuse to take any refugees, it becomes a real problem for Europe. It hasn't been managed well. That's the problem with Europe. It's a union of disparate countries all with their own self interests taking priority. Obviously it didn't help when merkal said they were prepared to take an unlimited number of immigrants. You couldn't really have a better advertisement for the immigrants to head to Europe. It's the biggest crisis in European history since ww2 and it's no surprise the people of Europe want to react in a different way to a migrant crisis than in the 1930s the 20th century in Europe witnessed too many crimes against humanity. It's no doubt people are keen to avoid any such events this time around. People are just trying to come up with humane solutions to a massive problem. It's not like immigration is a new thing. It's been going on for millennia. Things will work out in the end. There will be many problems, but life will go on, as it does in America and has done in Europe for centuries. Maybe if I believed every story on ATS I wouldn't hold such positive views, but I'm optimistic about most things in life

and don't invest much emotion in the doom and gloom stories on ATS. I'm certainly not having a spaz attack. (Not heard that one in years) what does a spaz attack look like?

originally posted by: woodwardjnr
Ideally the situation should have been contained in the Middle East, it's still the only solution, Europe can't cope with the problem, but when our middle eastern allies refuse to take any refugees, it becomes a real problem for Europe. It hasn't been managed well. That's the problem with Europe. It's a union of disparate countries all with their own self interests taking priority. Obviously it didn't help when merkal said they were prepared to take an unlimited number of immigrants. You couldn't really have a better advertisement for the immigrants to head to Europe. It's the biggest crisis in European history since ww2 and it's no surprise the people of Europe want to react in a different way to a migrant crisis than in the 1930s the 20th century in Europe witnessed too many crimes against humanity. It's no doubt people are keen to avoid any such events this time around. People are just trying to come up with humane solutions to a massive problem. It's not like immigration is a new thing. It's been going on for millennia. Things will work out in the end. There will be many problems, but life will go on, as it does in America and has done in Europe for centuries. Maybe if I believed every story on ATS I wouldn't hold such positive views, but I'm optimistic about most things in life

and don't invest much emotion in the doom and gloom stories on ATS. I'm certainly not having a spaz attack. (Not heard that one in years) what does a spaz attack look like?

I'm quite old, do you know what Spaz even means? i do

The medical term “spastic” became used to describe cerebral palsy.The Spastics Society, a UK charity for people with cerebral palsy, was founded in 1951.

However, the word began to be used as an insult and became a term of abuse used to imply stupidity or physical ineptness: one who is uncoordinated or incompetent, or a fool.It was often colloquially abbreviated to shorter forms such as "spaz".

See the attack now?

a reply to: corblimeyguvnor spastic haven't really heard the terminology since the 80s in the playground

a reply to: woodwardjnr

see above, thread drift however, please do not respond, i was just pointing out information due to an ignorant comment

Those who are ready to legally enter and cross the borders (by id and taking their fingerprints) are welcomed to do so.
Others... to custody and deported, to more extremes ones... shoot to kill.

a reply to: onequestion

Just to clarify from the English point of view, England, Scotland and Wales are the equivalent in land mass of 57% of California. So when you take into account how much land is available for farming, industrial purposes recreation, land you can't build upon, water etc and of course housing - cities, villages and towns etc hopefully you will get the idea of just how crowded our country already is. A trip of our roads is nothing but a nightmare, we don't have enough jobs, housing, places in schools, dentists, doctors etc. The government has not put in the necessary infrastructure to provide for all these immigrants which isn't helped when less than 50% are working so they are sponging in fact, hopefully you will get the picture.

A huge amount of the population are now against any further immigration or only on much smaller numbers and people with skills this country is short of. We also now have the problem of taking people who won't integrate because of religious differences and want their own legal system which is opposed to some of the basic laws of our society. We also have the problem of cultural differences which is something our government doesn't want to tackle in case their MP's loose votes from large immigrant populations within their constituencies.

As my country is the equivalent of only 58% of the size of one of your American States, get over yourself, yourself. You have a lot more room and to many peoples thinking Bush told the world Iraq had Weapons of Mass Destruction so that country had to be devastated, he also didn't like Afganistan and chased a single individual there despite the obvious that 9/11 was a planned intelligence operation certainly too sophisticated and coordinated to be organised from some cave in a remote country. Then of course Libya was destroyed for trying to sell its oil not using the US$. Obama has caused the Syrian situation by bleating and bullying other nations to back his demand that Assad should go. Funny how drilling for oil in Syria and when backed by men like Murdoch are involved that war just keeps on going giving more time for exploratory drilling etc. But that of course is nothing to do with Obama's agenda is it???

Personally I think that America has a lot more land for these misplaced people and so I am surprised that more aren't going there from these places. I won't comment on USA policy in South America or Mexico. because I don't know enough about it except I suspect they are part of a global manipulation. But I dare say there are a lot of Americans whose jobs are now threatened by cheaper labour being flooding into the country just as us Brits are, because something that is becoming patently obvious is that we from all industrialised countries are being manipulated into slaves, which I think is the bigger picture and ultimate goal of all this unrest being caused by just a few greedy and disgusting individuals whose power needs exposing and plugging.

a reply to: onequestion

I do see a deliberate policy being played out here with people's lives being a cost the players don't give a damn about.

Something we can't miss is the deadly and deliberate destruction of homes and businesses. If you look at places like Homs its just a sandy rubble, totally destroyed in places. (just to mention one place only) The sad thing about this is that there is no respect for people's homes, businesses and lives.

The whole refugee situation is slyly manipulated and not simply the hap hazardous result of civil war only. I am beginning to think its part of a deliberate policy to get clashing cultures to fight each other especially in the EU possibly as a means of cutting our population. It also stops the EU becoming better partners and especially trading with Russia. With the EU in chaos trade with China slows and of course we are all too busy to notice the dire situation within the financial markets which are on the brink of collapse - always a reason for war.