Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell says American People Should "Have a Voice"

Having seen this starting to unfold here is what can be stated:

Both sides need to stop playing politics in office and start doing the job that they are sworn to do. The Republicans are showing a bad example in their effort to undermine the laws, as much as the democrats, both are not angels.

The President is mandated by the constitution to nominate the justice. The Senate is mandated to give said person a hearing. Judges should not be elected, they should be kept out of the political arena as much as possible with good reason. If a Judge has to be elected, then he can not fairly and impartially do his job, as there will always be an element of question as to if a person is impartial, doing what is by the law or if they are making decisions based off of what their supporters want.

The US supreme court, is one where the Justices are not voted on, so they owe no allegiance to their decision, but only to the law. The senate and the candidtates are doing the wrong thing by making this a political issue out of this. They are putting politics where it should not be. And by keeping the court at a 4/4 is going to be the absolutely worse decision that they could make. Consider this:

Any 4-4 decision means that the decision of the lower court will stand. And lets also look at the worst case scenario: A repeat of Florida.

You remember, the Bush/Gore election where Florida’s election was challenged and it was the US Supreme court decision was what determined the outcome of the election. It could very well happen again, in this up coming election and a lower court could cause the election to go one way or the other if it is contested.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Gryphon66

Yeah the political ideology of "block everything that guy tries to do" is rather tedious, tiring, and doesn't help anything. I wish the GOP would grow up for a change... Not that Democrats aren't guilty of these shenanigans, but as I just showed in my link that this is definitely lopsided against the GOP.

Obama began the whole 8 year experience by announcing "I won, you get in the back of the car", and various other pompous, juvenile, foolish platitudes.

Sorry, can't re-write the history of it.

I see a big uptick of the "two wrongs don't make a right !!" lol.

IOW..................we get our licks in and immediately run to mommy, to get her to tell you it's wrong for you to do it. That's sad when it's coming from adults.

originally posted by: sdcigarpig
Having seen this starting to unfold here is what can be stated:

Both sides need to stop playing politics in office and start doing the job that they are sworn to do. The Republicans are showing a bad example in their effort to undermine the laws, as much as the democrats, both are not angels.

The President is mandated by the constitution to nominate the justice. The Senate is mandated to give said person a hearing. Judges should not be elected, they should be kept out of the political arena as much as possible with good reason. If a Judge has to be elected, then he can not fairly and impartially do his job, as there will always be an element of question as to if a person is impartial, doing what is by the law or if they are making decisions based off of what their supporters want.

The US supreme court, is one where the Justices are not voted on, so they owe no allegiance to their decision, but only to the law. The senate and the candidtates are doing the wrong thing by making this a political issue out of this. They are putting politics where it should not be. And by keeping the court at a 4/4 is going to be the absolutely worse decision that they could make. Consider this:

Any 4-4 decision means that the decision of the lower court will stand. And lets also look at the worst case scenario: A repeat of Florida.

You remember, the Bush/Gore election where Florida’s election was challenged and it was the US Supreme court decision was what determined the outcome of the election. It could very well happen again, in this up coming election and a lower court could cause the election to go one way or the other if it is contested.

ahhh, the old "both do it"..................."but republicans are bad" lol.

Sorry, republicans are not "bad examples" or "undermining the law" in this case. But nice sly attempt !

haha, I love a carefully crafted "pretend to be fair and even" at the outset....but deftly slide into "republicans are bad".....entreaty.

Sometimes you get caught. Sorry, I know "it's not fair" or something.

a reply to: stevieray

Funny ... that's not at all what Mr. Obama said (feel free to quote him if you can) ... however ... I do remember something that Mr. McConnell said:

The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president.

The Republican Party: Pure politics then; pure politics now. The Heck with We the People.

BTW, in Gore-Bush, the SC actually did say the FLA supreme court should decide. Didn't take a 4-4 deadlock, it was a real decision. To proceed intelligently and logically, not favoring one guy.

FLA supreme court didn't decide anything ground breaking or philosophical, only that endless recounts until one accidentally makes Gore the winner (or could be tweaked to do so)....isn't a great idea or business model.

Man, somebody give me an aspirin. This ridiculous mind-bend is painful.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: stevieray

Funny ... that's not at all what Mr. Obama said (feel free to quote him if you can) ... however ... I do remember something that Mr. McConnell said:

The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president.

The Republican Party: Pure politics then; pure politics now. The Heck with We the People.

DNC has already announced that failure to approve Lynch will be great for Hillary among women and African Americans.

Try again.

a reply to: xuenchen

They had a voice, when they elected Obama TWICE.
What he really means is: "Waaaa! We want to get a conservative in there and it's just not fair if we can't! Waaaa!"

As always, Republicans want to move the goalposts constantly, as and when it suits. Tough. Obama is the POTUS and he gets to make this decision.

And lets not be totally stupid and think it would be any different if the POTUS was Republican, we all know they would be making the same choice with the same opportunity and the Republicans would all be cheering that on.

a reply to: stevieray

That has zero to do with your previous comment. The DNC is right, but, your Republican buddies are going to keep missing the point. Address the fact that Mitch stated at the beginning of the Obama Presidency that the MOST IMPORTANT thing they could do for the next four years was to keep him from being re-elected.

Let's ignore that they were bitter failures at that as well. Show us how that is anything but a childish acknowledgment that the Republicans in Congress are only concerned with continuing their own careers.

And the People, in every poll, are getting more and more fed up with their "business as usual" no?

Try again.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: stevieray

Funny ... that's not at all what Mr. Obama said (feel free to quote him if you can) ... however ... I do remember something that Mr. McConnell said:

The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president.

The Republican Party: Pure politics then; pure politics now. The Heck with We the People.

Here ya go -

Black Republican leaders are demanding that President Barack Obama apologize for what they consider a racially insensitive remark that he made on the campaign trail this weekend.

During a campaign swing the president said, "We don't mind the Republicans joining us. They can come for a ride, but they gotta sit in back."

Dr. Timothy F. Johnson, the black Republican who heads the Frederick Douglass Foundation, told Newsmax in an e-mail Wednesday that Obama should immediately apologize for the offensive reference to the Jim Crow era.

"Once again the president is perpetuating the racism that exists, and [is] portrayed by the so-called Civil Rights organizations and their leaders," Johnson stated.

www.newsmax.com...

Twist and spin and deny/ derail/ distort.....as you desire.

originally posted by: Rocker2013
a reply to: xuenchen

They had a voice, when they elected Obama TWICE.
What he really means is: "Waaaa! We want to get a conservative in there and it's just not fair if we can't! Waaaa!"

As always, Republicans want to move the goalposts constantly, as and when it suits. Tough. Obama is the POTUS and he gets to make this decision.

And lets not be totally stupid and think it would be any different if the POTUS was Republican, we all know they would be making the same choice with the same opportunity and the Republicans would all be cheering that on.

lol, I think you may be suffering a bit of a logic problem if you think "elected Obama twice" naturally equates to "Obama gets to pick whoever he wants when Scalia dies 3 years later".

I mean come on man......

The constitution offers a process to reach a compromise, could be neither liberal nor conservative.

Nobody's demanding what they want "or what Obama wants" except you and a few others.

originally posted by: stevieray


www.newsmax.com...

Twist and spin and deny/ derail/ distort.....as you desire.

LOL ... "are demanding" eh? You just can't get the bat to hit that ball can you?

Your Newsmax article is from 2010.

In short: BULL DROPPINGS

FACT: No, President Obama Did NOT Say Anything About "The Back Of The Bus"

On the campaign trail, President Obama and other Democrats often use an extended metaphor about government as a car, and elections deciding who drives and who sits in the back seat. The phrase "back of the bus" has clear racial overtones, and despite the fact that Obama has used the car metaphor for months without mentioning any buses, Glenn Beck and Fox News claimed last week that Obama was attempting to stir up racial divides.

President Obama In Philadelphia: Republicans "Don't Know How To Drive. They Can Ride With Us If They Want To, But They Got To Get In The Back Seat." In a stump speech in Philadelphia, President Obama said:

FactCheck

originally posted by: stevieray
Obama began the whole 8 year experience by announcing "I won, you get in the back of the car", and various other pompous, juvenile, foolish platitudes.

Sorry, can't re-write the history of it.

What does that have to do with the GOP acting like children?

I see a big uptick of the "two wrongs don't make a right !!" lol.

IOW..................we get our licks in and immediately run to mommy, to get her to tell you it's wrong for you to do it. That's sad when it's coming from adults.

Says the guy trying to deflect from the GOP acting like partisan babies by bringing up Obama's alleged baby antics.

Well well well, it appears McConnell is a hypocrite as well as a turtle.

In Regans last year in '88 McConnelll voted in Justice Kennedy.

These people are so corrupt it is officially an embarrassment.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: stevieray

That has zero to do with your previous comment. The DNC is right, but, your Republican buddies are going to keep missing the point. Address the fact that Mitch stated at the beginning of the Obama Presidency that the MOST IMPORTANT thing they could do for the next four years was to keep him from being re-elected.

Let's ignore that they were bitter failures at that as well. Show us how that is anything but a childish acknowledgment that the Republicans in Congress are only concerned with continuing their own careers.

And the People, in every poll, are getting more and more fed up with their "business as usual" no?

Try again.

I thought McConnel's statement was stupid and pointless. Every election results in the losing party trying to make the new president a one-termer.

But he was certainly stupid to give the DNC and dems a big juicy opportunity to scream "WACIST" for 8 years and beyond.

Republicans AND democrats only care about their careers now. That's what's wrong with DC.

Conservative Republicans have outed their own, that's why they're now known as RINO's. Republicans used to care more about the constitution and conservatism than selfish agendas. Democrats traditionally cared about things that always portrayed the constitution as racist, sexist, xenophobic, etc.

Democrats haven't changed one iota in their philosophy. Most republicans have. You can count the number of Republicans who remain consistent to their traditional beliefs on one hand.

So no, I don't don't have too many "republican buddies". Most of them suck too.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: stevieray
Obama began the whole 8 year experience by announcing "I won, you get in the back of the car", and various other pompous, juvenile, foolish platitudes.

Sorry, can't re-write the history of it.

What does that have to do with the GOP acting like children?

I see a big uptick of the "two wrongs don't make a right !!" lol.

IOW..................we get our licks in and immediately run to mommy, to get her to tell you it's wrong for you to do it. That's sad when it's coming from adults.

Says the guy trying to deflect from the GOP acting like partisan babies by bringing up Obama's alleged baby antics.

haha, we could go on forever accusing, from the two opposite ends of it.

Can't change the fact that Obama, Pelosi, Reid, and pals led the charge.

Make of it what you will. Which is typically just "keep it as annoying as possible".

NM

And Kennedy......an amazingly middle-of-the-road swing vote for decades.

Sorry you totally missed that. Whoooooooooosh.

What's being bandied about here is Obama's propensity to nominate people who think that America is subservient to any and every one-world opinion.

Some think this is wrong. After just accepting 2 appointments that empowered this belief.....those with the authority to negotiate don't think that a 3rd is a good idea.

Pretty simple stuff. And entirely constitutional.

America and their representatives aren't ready to completely surrender to World Court and UN. Sorry.

We could also play this who-said-what 10/20/30/40 years ago thing, forever. Schumer said we shouldn't allow a last year appointment, a while back. Obama himself said we should use the filibuster to stop appointments. We know what happened to Bork and Thomas. So no, a worthless discussion there.

a reply to: stevieray
oh, you mean like the republicans are doing here:

We are disappointed that you elected not to respond to the concerns raised in our letter last month regarding the dangerous actions of the Panel’s Majority to date, and our request for an investigative plan and clear rules to guide our work. We write now to request that you set a date for an initial organizational meeting of the Panel and, at that meeting, hold a Panel vote on the rules and the investigative agenda outlined below and attached to this letter.

The House Majority should not use this Panel as a political weapon to harass or intimidate healthcare providers, medical students, patients, and the scientists who are working to increase our understanding of diseases that impact all Americans. The complete exclusion of Democrats and the lack of any investigative plan or rules to guide our work are extremely problematic. Taxpayer-funded congressional investigations must further legitimate legislative aims. None have been articulated or explained with regard to this Panel’s work.

enewspf.com... SO4.dpuf

or how the house republicans turned a deaf ear to any lobbyists that didn't donate to the republican party??

The K Street Project is an effort by the Republican Party (GOP) to pressure Washington lobbying firms to hire Republicans in top positions, and to reward loyal GOP lobbyists with access to influential officials, an arrangement known as crony capitalism. It was launched in 1995 by Republican strategist Grover Norquist and then-House majority whip Tom DeLay. It has been criticized as being part of a "coziness" between the GOP and large corporations which has allegedly allowed business to rewrite government regulations affecting their own industries in some cases, such as with Dick Cheney's energy task force.[citation needed]

Shortly after the 1994 elections which gave a majority of seats to Republican candidates, DeLay called prominent Washington lobbyists into his office. He had pulled the public records of political contributions that they made to Democrats and Republicans. According to Texans for Public Justice, "he reminded them that Republicans were in charge and their political giving had better reflect that—or else. The "or else" was a threat to cut off access to the Republican House leadership."[1]

en.wikipedia.org...

oh how, even on ATS during that those grand days of republican majority, we were told that yous were the majority now, if we don't like what yous are doing well, tough luck?? Remember the great.."Your either with us or against us"??

are you sure that you aren't just looking in the mirror and confusing yourself with obama?

originally posted by: stevieray

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: stevieray
Obama began the whole 8 year experience by announcing "I won, you get in the back of the car", and various other pompous, juvenile, foolish platitudes.

Sorry, can't re-write the history of it.

What does that have to do with the GOP acting like children?

I see a big uptick of the "two wrongs don't make a right !!" lol.

IOW..................we get our licks in and immediately run to mommy, to get her to tell you it's wrong for you to do it. That's sad when it's coming from adults.

Says the guy trying to deflect from the GOP acting like partisan babies by bringing up Obama's alleged baby antics.

haha, we could go on forever accusing, from the two opposite ends of it.

Can't change the fact that Obama, Pelosi, Reid, and pals led the charge.

Make of it what you will. Which is typically just "keep it as annoying as possible".

I'm not accusing anyone. I'm pointing out the factual situation about the GOP acting like babies and having been doing it for the last 7 years. You brought up some irrelevant point about something Obama supposedly said while campaigning (which turns out wasn't even said). One thing Obama said doesn't justify 7 years of blatant obstructionism for the sake of obstructionism.

oh, and please, someone show me just where in the constitution it gives the american people a say as to who the next appointment should be? please....quote the lines for me!! IT DOESN'T.... We get a say as to who our president it, and well obama is our elected president. we get a say as to who our representatives in congress are... and the president has the obligation to propose nominees when a seat is vacant on the supreme court, the congress is responsible to advice him and approve him!!! so the idea that we should have a voice in the decision is wrong.. we had our voices, when we elected the president and our representative!