Saudi Arabia and Turkey prepare for Syrian invasion, expect 'massive escalation'.

what, they got 19 more terrorists available?
better not arm them with anything more destructive than a box cutter, the whole planet will go to crap!





/sarcasm?

be moore afraid for wat comes after ISIS.......!

a reply to: Vector99

It's only a matter of time. Turkey is now a NATO country, what happens when they get all involved in their killing of kurds and such. Russia will fight back at some point and then so will we. As it stands now we have allies killing allies since turkey is killing kurds and we have chosen them for friends too. They are also protecting ISIS. And, when Saudi Arabia goes in, exactly whose side will they be on?

This is a powder keg with no eye on the right ball. It's only a matter of time before we all start bombing each other, or at least trying to.

originally posted by: ressiv
be moore afraid for wat comes after ISIS.......!

living in fear is so last century...
I think I'll go for anger and restitution this new century.
I got the anger part down pretty good, it sucks waiting for restitution though, huh?
will justice have any say in the matter?
Me living to see it is not as important as it occurring...
when true justice occurs, all the witness testimony will be heard.

a reply to: Kitana

Nobody is bombing the Kurds, infact I said Russia will likely push for their own state just to rattle NATO. The Turks will never allow it, and the Russians will never give the Kurds Syrian land, so it will all be a matter of posturing.

Nothing major will happen. I'll take bets on that.

originally posted by: Nikola014
a reply to: MrSpad

Thank you for the additional info.

You know, I was expecting for the terrorist states from ME + Turkey to recognize another terrorist group as the legal representatives of Syria, but the west too? It's not too surprising when they are the ones funding them...
Insane what's becoming of this world.

If Arab league + turkey continue with this illegal act( for me Assad's government is still the legal one because they have the support of Syrian people ) you are right. The nukes will be flying and i hope for that to happen. Truly, because out of chaos comes order. Maybe when everything is destroyed those who are left will rebuild our civilization in a more healthy way.

No nukes will be flying. Nuking any nation would bring the entire planet against you. Not to mention nuking Muslims would send Russia's nearly 10 million Muslims into open rebellion. The NCS recognition comes from not just the Arab States and Europe but Asian, African and South American states as well. This is not surprising as Assads only real Syrian supporters are the Alawites and if you only have the support of minority of your people then nobody is likely to see you as having the ability much less the authority to rule a nation. And it is no secret that of Russia, Iran, Hezbollah, Lebanese and Iraqi Shia militias are the only think keeping Assad in power. They are not enough to reclaim Syria and will have stay just keep the areas Assads controls from slipping back into rebellion.

And and massive ground campaign by the Arabs and Turkey is extremely unlikely. All they have to do is keep the pressure on Assad. Russia will not stay forever, nor will the others to prop him up. At some point they will have to give him up to get some sort of deal.

If such a ground campaign were to happen their would be little Russia could do other than secure small part of Syria for Assad and the Alawites. The problem for Russia is it would be fighting in Syria where its air and sea corridors could be cut off with ease. That would require Russia to expand the war and attack Turkey proper and that would bring in NATO. And that is a losing war. And if your thinking but, Turkey and Russia are already fighting in Syria so NATO does not count, that is not the way it works. If when US and Soviet fighters were engaged during the Korean War that does not mean an attack on the US direct would have not activated article 5.

So France and Russia could be fighting in say Africa and NATO would not be required to act, but they the first Russian attack on France proper occurred NATO would activated.

Not that any of this is going to happen. The Turks, the West and Arabs will finish off ISIS with some small forces, mostly SF and air support for the SDF. When that is done, unless a peace deal where Assad leaves power have been made the will arm and train the rest of the rebels into once large force that will then move on Assad. Because the on thing every group in Syria agrees on is Assad is just as bad as ISIS and both must go.

a reply to: Vector99


rudaw.net...

That is 3 months after the Kurds said they would accept a ceasefire agreement.

This should boost up the price per barrel.

a reply to: MrSpad

No not every group, you have just had to allow the genocide of the minority groups in Syria in order to say "all groups"

But, once you have properly helped in the genocide of anyone who disagrees, then sure, you can have a happy go lucky agreement. But the ones who disagree, are fighting tooth and nail. They aren't going quietly, and that is what is causing the problem.

if there is an light in an funnel.....an train is coming...............

originally posted by: Kitana
a reply to: Vector99


rudaw.net...

That is 3 months after the Kurds said they would accept a ceasefire agreement.

Thanks for the link! I won't lie, I'm not completely up to date with the Kurds and Turks feud, I had been under the impression they were temporarily working together, in limited fashion.

a reply to: Vector99

No problem.

Recently some Kurdish forces captured an airbase from ISIS, that ISIS forces had captured from Assad. Turkey is bombing them in the last couple days as well, and they are not PKK Kurds.

Turkey is doing a lot of bombing of the Kurds in Syria, and doing a lot of protecting of ISIS as a result, because the kurds were nearly the only forces worried about fighting ISIS, most everyone else is worried either about protecting Assad or fighting against him. So now Turkey has been bombing the Kurds and demanding they hand back over (to whom I am unsure) the captured areas they took from ISIS.

Turkey bombing Kurds in Syria

That is just one link, there are more for a wider understanding. You will just have to google it.

a reply to: Kitana

What is scary to me is the fact that every Turkish person I speak to is in support of the Turkish government's actions. Take it for what you will , but I play an online game that is a Turk majority game. They are NOT western friendly, they ARE scared of Russia, and they think Erdogan is a great president.

www.telegraph.co.uk...

I found a bit of an explanation of the various Kurdish factions. I thought I'd put up the link, I've gone hunting for it a couple of times, trying to keep track of who's who, considering there's some NATO forces training some Kurds.

Confusing politics, and the link is 6 months old......

a reply to: daaskapital

I don't know about everyone else, but I wouldn't mind if we just packed up our bags and got our troops out of there! That entire region is so screwed up with their beliefs, nobody is going to be able to get peace in that region. Why should our young men and women risk their lives over a conflict we should have kept our noses out of in the first place!

The U.S. has done nothing but created more enemies and terrorists. We also created a huge problem for Europe. It's about time the U,S. stops policing the world!

a reply to: Kitana
Whatever Turkey does it is nothing to do with NATO, the U.K. a NATO member went to war with Argentina NATO never got involved.

a reply to: WeRpeons

yeah I agree it`s best to stay out of that mess over there.
Russia is the only one that seems to know what they doing and why they are there.Anyone who doesn`t support assad is the enemy,blow em up.
as far as the other side goes, nobody seems to know who is an ally and who is the enemy.The moderate "terrorist" who the U.S support are seen as enemies by turkey who is another U.S. ally.
of course the elephant in the room is National sovereignty, since when is OK to unilaterally decide that you are going to fly bombing raids in another country uninvited? 50 years ago that would have been considered an act of war.

a reply to: redchad

yeah, I don`t think NATO is obligated to get involved if it is a NATO country that is the aggressor and invades another country.

a reply to: daaskapital

The Erdogan government of Turkey is both religious and insane. In that respect they are not that different from the House of Saud save for ethnicity.

The Russians I suspect are simply waiting for provocation from Turkey in order to sweep into Turkey. NATO will not go to war for Erdogan... although the US American Neo-Cons will scream and shout because they want their military-industrial complex to make more money off of engagement in another war.

Very few in the world understand how dangerous Erdogan is. He is not a cartoon character though he often acts like one. Any calculation of engaging the hornet's nest of the Middle East in warfare would have to have the strategic goal of eliminating Erdogan, ISIS, the House of Saud, and the monarchy of Bahrain. Every head must be cut off of the Sunni hydra, and I suspect that this is at the heart of Russian calculations at this time.

Saudi & Qatar jets will join Turks in Incirlik Airbase and DAESH/ISIS will be no more soon enough.

Once the dust settles ; by the end of summer . the refugees should begin to go back to Syria .


Russians will have something else to worry about too ; Turks & Ukrainians are talking about providing weapons to Ukrainian Government .

If Russia wants to kill Ukrainians & Tatars with impunity again ,then they will find it not so easy to murder people who can shoot back.

Turks already have organised forces in Greece , Bulgaria , Moldovia ,Ukrain , Crimea, Caucasus & Dagestan . Russians can't efford to loose big ; so they will lose small .

Lose , they will .